Bear Down Wildcats

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Arenas "getting involved" is a not exactly an accurate description of the situation. If you poll 20 different alums from the Lute era, you're likely to get 20 different opinions -- and not all of them are good. I mean, even considering Matt Brase, Joe Blair or Josh Pastner for one of the top 10 coac...

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To not hire a permanent head coach and leave Jack Murphy at the helm for an entire year would be the most abject failure possible for Robbins & Heeke. It makes absolutely zero sense. If that's the decision, then why not simply leave Miller in place for the upcoming season and let him finish out his ...

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Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:41 pm Someone wake me up when we get to the "Vetting Trent Johnson" portion of the search.

Almost there.

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EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:32 pm Adam and Eve were enjoying a nice day in the Garden of Eden, and then the UA President got involved.

Winner

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The rumor is that President Robbins offered to provide plays for both basketball and football. If true -- I'd love to see Robbins questioned about this at the next news conference and exactly what those plays are and why he thinks he could offer a D1 football or basketball coach some tactical advice...

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Pope strikes me as the guy who gives you a winning season every year. Challenges for the conference title every once in a while and gets a 5-9 seed every year. This is how I see Pope vs Damon specifically. Both took over losing programs (I'm using Utah Valley here). I'd say Utah Valley and Pacific ...

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Irish27 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:02 pm I think they should just hire Pastner. He can recruit and if he could get a solid assistant to help him, I think he would do fine.

Because he's been so stellar at Georgia Tech?

Hard pass.

Hard. Pass.

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If they fuck this up and the BB cash cow dies, shit is going to hit the fan. What will happen to the athletic dept? We have relied on that money for decades to keep the ad afloat. These guys are playing with fire. Could we ever get the BB cash cow back again? Doubtful in my mind You obviously aren'...

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Administrators who are really good at hiring great coaches know basketball. They know the sport. That's what CM Newton was at Kentucky. He knew the sport and knew who he could pick up the phone and talk to. That's why Newton made offers to Lute Olson not once, but twice. Newton was a former coach hi...

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It's also a possibility that as the process has unfolded, Lloyd has had time to evaluate Arizona and the administration. This is a two-way street. He may be signaling that he's not entirely sold on taking the job -- especially after Robbins decided to hit the pause button and see if he could make a ...

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EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:50 am
U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:00 am As of today, before we hire Uri Whosawhatski from outer Slobovia,
KenPom has us at 29.

This is just below texas, kansas, and tennesee
But aren't we #1 when we factor in the biggest dipshit President & AD in the country?

That would be the KenPom AAF or "Adjusted Administrative Fuckery."

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The crazy thing to me is we are a better BB program than TX and yet they hired a head coach with ff experience in 4 days. We've had 40 and yet here we are fumbling this shit up again. Can we hire a competent AD please? Texas has a lot more money than we do my friend. We can't afford 5 a year. We we...

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https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/ua/2021/04/12/arizona-basketball-tommy-lloyd-frontrunner-replace-sean-miller/7187889002/ Does the Arizona Republic actually cover sports or just cobble together other reporters' notes and articles and call it a day? There's absolutely nothing new in th...

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Musselman is a better, safer choice than Lloyd. Musselman has a solid track record at Nevada and Arkansas, versus Lloyd, who has never been a college head coach anywhere. If we did things right, which I doubt, then we told Lloyd we will explore Muss' interest and then make a decision. Lloyd is no d...

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I am not buying the boosters wanting an alum rumors. The alum pool got pretty weak after Kerr and Walton publicly announced they were not interested. I wouldn't even be tempted with Musselman. The guy has had 16 different coaching jobs in the last 30 years. He is always looking for greener pastures...

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Robbins thinks he's smart at this and is playing a game of checkers while the far more complicated world of college basketball is a chessboard.

How the fuck did this guy get through med school?

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I'm going to be honest, there are people on this site who have said that Lloyd was all but officially hired...that it was in the bag and would probably be announced on Monday...now am I reading this correctly that Lloyd is possibly NOT coming? Either we have bad sources or a really bad Prez or both...

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Postmaster wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:11 am
TheCat wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:45 am
Postmaster wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:44 pm It went to Vegas after Scottsdale

Spent a lot of time in Alaska
ESPN to run article on our new coaches gambling problem.....
Gambling, drinking, womanizing......hobbies.

Then why aren’t we getting Pitino???

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When was Lute ever cordial to reporters? They expect different from Miller? Nonsense. Lute had good relationships with plenty of media both local and national. But he didn't appreciate bullshit reporting -- local and national. The Arizona Daily Star had to fire two reporters back in the late 80's w...

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Pulitzer Prize or a Murrow Award for the journalist who gets an exclusive interview with Sean Miller. It would have to come after he secures his next coaching job. Then he can lay waste to all the bullshit reporting: Schlabach, Vitale, Bilas, Hansen, etc... Just go to town on all the misinformation ...

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The Lack of Institutional Control is a catch-all the NCAA uses to try and make thing sound bad. The reality? Two of the items the basketball program was accused of in the NOA were self-reported. That being the $500 loan to Pinder, which resulted in a 2-game suspension and Pinder paying the money ba...

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Damon has won 48% of his games. The guy before him, Ron Verlin, won .405%. Before Verlin, Bob Thomason won .575%. I think it's fair to regard Damon as middle of the road for Pacific's standards. So, much better than Brett Brennan's winning % at SJST, but the argument for him was his trajectory, whi...

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So far Damon has shown he can be average by Pacific's standards. I can't imagine it being easy to recruit or coach at Pacific for anyone. Damon has won 48% of his games. The guy before him, Ron Verlin, won .405%. Before Verlin, Bob Thomason won .575%. I think it's fair to regard Damon as middle of ...

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I read a national sports writer say after the allegation were known that he could not understand why Arizona had not sent them to every newspaper making it clear that Sean did not pay players as was alleged in ESPN. He could understand why they were hidden in the first place. That's when it became ...

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I heard Damon and Miles both interviewed this week, or will by tomorrow. Lloyd is Robbins' first choice. The interviews are for perception only -- to appease the fan base that former players are being seriously considered. That's why the info is leaked that Stouds and Simon interviewed yesterday an...

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Yes please. Unfortunately that seems really unlikely. I bet he can bring some role players from zaga over. Work the transfer market. Maybe he can get Fanbo Zeng. I'd love chet but I just don't see it. Their whole staff focused on him, not just him Jesus....just what I want. A coach so loyal that he...

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zonagrad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:55 am
Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:21 am This is worse than a fart. This is more like that deuce Todd Packer dropped in Michael Scott’s office.
Wait -- I'd like to hear the story & back story behind this please.

I'm so out of touch with popular culture to not know this. Shame on me.

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It is Friday, April 9th 2021. It's 11:10 MST. Dave Heeke is still a spineless fuck.

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If you're a longtime assistant and have no guarantee of Few leaving within a year or two -- then my confidence in Lloyd getting the job done here is waning. Some guys are great lieutenants but shitty generals. And that just might be the make-up of Lloyd: great behind the scenes but not a guy who can...

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Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:21 am This is worse than a fart. This is more like that deuce Todd Packer dropped in Michael Scott’s office.

Wait -- I'd like to hear the story & back story behind this please.

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I received a phone call from the Arizona Alumni Association today. The timing was impeccable and the sophomore student was so polite -- sticking to her prepared script. Finally, I told her now was probably not the best time to be calling an alum who graduated 30 years ago who is generally ready to b...

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Probably not a popular choice by the majority of you, but, why not bring Ben Howland in? There are dozens of reasons -- and one of them is that Ben Howland is not a popular choice. His style of play will make Miller look like the Showtime Lakers. And I doubt Howland could ever repair the recruiting...

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Was listening to Jody Oehler this morning and he had Goodman on. Goodman saying he thinks it would be someone like Damon or Lloyd. After he got off Oehler gave his remarks and was spot on. Oehler wasn't sold on any of the guys Goodman recommended. At this point, I'd let Murphy just grind out next y...

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Olsondogg wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:02 pm Didn’t Miles have to work with KO? I wouldn’t hold him to anything in those times.

KO wouldn't even let Josh or Miles speak during the timeouts in the huddle. It was all KO -- all ego.

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I would think JET and Jack are two guys Tommy Lloyd would be wise to do his best to keep on staff in some capacity even if he has some other plans for bench coaches. Honestly not sure how many of "his guys" he would even have since he has worked in the same role for 20 years and the guys there are ...

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I’m all-in on Arizona basketball as I have been for almost 4 decades. It’s a love affair/obsession I cannot shake. It’s the same for you or you wouldn’t be on this obscure message board. Emotions run hot in that type of relationship. I don’t fault anyone for saying things as outlandish as supportin...

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Can't wait until football season when the tailgating and socializing gets ramped up. There are a ton of fans that are going to boo the shit out of Robbins & Heeke every time they show their faces at an event. And I'll be cheering that on all day. They've shown their true colors. They're not Wildcats...

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ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:36 pm
TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:30 pm Great how much we paying for this fake search. Normally it is around $250-300K?
What if I told you the search firm has been working on this for a month already?

I'd hope so.

zonagrad

If Miller could’ve gotten any of those jobs he would’ve taken them. He’s unhireable by any college at the moment. I don't believe that. Bill Self just got a lifetime extension. Bruce Pearl, notorious for his NCAA violations, keeps getting hired. Houston was more than happy to take Sampson. Miller a...

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So, how are you guys doing? In terms of sports, I thought I couldn’t be more down in the mouth thIs week after the women lost a natty by one after missing numerous open shots (including freethrows) , but Ricky Bobby and his puppet said, hold my beer. I just wish I could get out of my pledge to give...

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President Robbins: 1. Withheld the NOA, which allowed the media to speculate on the allegations on Miller. 2. Self-sanctioned when it was apparent Miller had put together a talented enough team to reach the NCAA tournament -- and had stabilized the roster for next year which is apparent in the early...

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Holy crap. I just realized that they only self imposed sanctions to prevent Miller from having success. Wow. Sabotaged by our own administration. So jealous of Kansas right now. Yep. That's exactly what happened. Miller was hamstrung by Robbins & Heeke since 2018. They probably expected Miller to r...

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Seriously there is zero reason for a firm. If Lloyd is your jewel. Damon is the token black interview. You rub Pastner's shoulders just in case you find a way to be even more embarrassingly bad at your jobs. This should about sum up the pathetic proceedings correct? If there's serious consideration...

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Can't wait until I get a call soon from the alumni association. It's usually on a Sunday night -- a student phoning me about contributions. I'm going to be very detailed about my message to the university: I'll be happy to donate to the university as soon as President Robbins and Heeke are terminate...

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We fired a coach with a .730 win %, 5 Pac titles, 4 Elite Eights and a projected top 15 team in 2021... That is an impressive resume, but that isn't why he was fired. The FBI/NCAA investigations, the allegiance to Book Richardson, and the stink over the program over the past couple of years is why ...

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Yeah not sure why anyone thinks he'd even leave Gonzaga. It’s either take a big time job now or wait another decade plus to take over Gonzaga. And he can take that job over in a decade if he still wants it. If he’s successful at Arizona he’s not going to leave that for Gonzaga. If he’s leaving for ...

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If Lloyd is the guy and ultimately ends up successful, it still doesn't justify the handling of this by Robbins & Heeke. In a way, this is somewhat reminiscent of the Tomey firing. An AD who didn't have a backbone got pressured into firing the most successful coach ever at Arizona. It was only then ...

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Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:38 pm Anyone else see that Lloyd just finished building a new house in Spokane a few years back?

I’m gonna be very surprised if anyone can pry him away from Gonzaga.

I can think of a few million reasons why someone would leave Spokane for Tucson.

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No respect for Robbins. Or Heeke. And especially zero respect for the Tucson media. They treat the administration with such undeserving reference that it's disgusting. I can't imagine any of this shit playing out the way it has if Lute were still alive and able to weigh in. What a travesty. I believ...

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This is such bullshit. Some fucking heart surgeon with no ties to OUR university is fucking with our beloved program with decades of history. It's time for some ex-players to storm his office and make a public stand about this shit show. They have nothing to lose and can easily get the UA community ...

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