Re: President Bobby Robbins
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:03 am
So has basketball gone from "A Players Program" to "A President's Program"?
The entire university is "A President's Playground."
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I thought that at the celebration for the women - he seemed off, and then today seemed worse. I am not a medical professional, but the last 10 years or so that my dad was alive, he suffered TIA’s, and (GOD My dad was NOTHING like Robbins) I saw something in his affect that really reminded me of Dad after a TIA.Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:44 pm I don't know about you guys, but Schnebly and I both found something really off in his delivery today. I mean in a way that would be meaningful if a medical professional thought the same thing.
It is in his speech. Sounds almost like a minor stroke. Made a comment about the same thing a week ago.Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:44 pm I don't know about you guys, but Schnebly and I both found something really off in his delivery today. I mean in a way that would be meaningful if a medical professional thought the same thing.
Thank you.Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:43 pm I'm sorry about your dad, ekat. I sincerely hope he's healthy and well and thriving, and I'm the one that's off.
Yep. I took one of those calls (which I get maybe twice a year) literally two days after Miller was fired. I vented on the sophomore student who was very kind -- and let her know it was nothing personal. And she said everyone she had spoken to had the same sentiments about the administration. I just wonder if the anger is falling on deaf ears.
I asked if there's notes about it and she said yes and entered it in for me. And it would be gross incompetence if the alumni association didn't have a tool that analyzed notes from the "No" calls to find reasons why. As a software developer, sentiment analysis is very advanced, and doing some automated analysis would be incredibly easy and worthwhile.zonagrad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 pmYep. I took one of those calls (which I get maybe twice a year) literally two days after Miller was fired. I vented on the sophomore student who was very kind -- and let her know it was nothing personal. And she said everyone she had spoken to had the same sentiments about the administration. I just wonder if the anger is falling on deaf ears.
So many U of A students depend on the food pantry. And it isn't enough - they're still hungry. That's where I give.prh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:22 pmI asked if there's notes about it and she said yes and entered it in for me. And it would be gross incompetence if the alumni association didn't have a tool that analyzed notes from the "No" calls to find reasons why. As a software developer, sentiment analysis is very advanced, and doing some automated analysis would be incredibly easy and worthwhile.zonagrad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 pmYep. I took one of those calls (which I get maybe twice a year) literally two days after Miller was fired. I vented on the sophomore student who was very kind -- and let her know it was nothing personal. And she said everyone she had spoken to had the same sentiments about the administration. I just wonder if the anger is falling on deaf ears.
I think the bigger problem is that the $$$ they miss out on from people they cold call will probably never approach the cost from even a single rich donor, so what's the point?
I learned there's a new thing on campus, more or less a food pantry that's in the student union. No cost basic goods for students in need. Serving 800 a week this year, up from 500 last year when they started.
I asked her to call me back in week because I would like to donate to my great university.
Thank you for that link. That’s a cause I can get behind.Longhorned wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:28 pmSo many U of A students depend on the food pantry. And it isn't enough - they're still hungry. That's where I give.prh wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:22 pmI asked if there's notes about it and she said yes and entered it in for me. And it would be gross incompetence if the alumni association didn't have a tool that analyzed notes from the "No" calls to find reasons why. As a software developer, sentiment analysis is very advanced, and doing some automated analysis would be incredibly easy and worthwhile.zonagrad wrote: ↑Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:03 pmYep. I took one of those calls (which I get maybe twice a year) literally two days after Miller was fired. I vented on the sophomore student who was very kind -- and let her know it was nothing personal. And she said everyone she had spoken to had the same sentiments about the administration. I just wonder if the anger is falling on deaf ears.
I think the bigger problem is that the $$$ they miss out on from people they cold call will probably never approach the cost from even a single rich donor, so what's the point?
I learned there's a new thing on campus, more or less a food pantry that's in the student union. No cost basic goods for students in need. Serving 800 a week this year, up from 500 last year when they started.
I asked her to call me back in week because I would like to donate to my great university.
When the president recently took an enormous bonus during the employee furlough, the employees asked him to donate it to the food pantry. Nope.
https://campuspantry.arizona.edu/
I used to eat oranges from the trees there, chew on rosemary from the landscaping to stave off hunger and take honey packets from the cafeteria to make simple bread and honey sandwiches.
Cal Poly also has a food pantry for students, staff too for that matter.
Yeah, U of A's is for staff, too. Or really anyone with a CatCard. No questions asked.Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:44 pmCal Poly also has a food pantry for students, staff too for that matter.
Think they found at that 25% of students there suffer from food anxiety. I know from first hand experience, I was an extremely poor student when I went to the UA. Lots of 4 for a buck generic mac and cheese.
Same Merk. I used to love me some Rice a Roni too; always on sale at the Albertsons on Campbell. Was probably 75% of my sophomore year food source. I very rarely ate on campus.
Ramen and potatoes as well. I also bought food stamps ($1 for $2 worth) from guys who wanted cig and beer money. I gave plasma at that center on 6th as well.Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:44 pmCal Poly also has a food pantry for students, staff too for that matter.
Think they found at that 25% of students there suffer from food anxiety. I know from first hand experience, I was an extremely poor student when I went to the UA. Lots of 4 for a buck generic mac and cheese.
And you didn't go to school when in-state tuition was like $6000-7000 a semester like kids nowMerkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:44 pmCal Poly also has a food pantry for students, staff too for that matter.
Think they found at that 25% of students there suffer from food anxiety. I know from first hand experience, I was an extremely poor student when I went to the UA. Lots of 4 for a buck generic mac and cheese.
Nope, $333 a semester, although books were still extremely expensive even back then. I lived on $342 a month under the GI Bill and working full time during the summer. Eventually had to get a job evenings to make ends meet. Worked for the Jensens, who had the biggest gun shop in town at the time as a computer operator. Think I made $3.40 an hour.
Same, think I was paid $15.
I remember making it through a course without a textbook because I refused to spend that much beer money on it. I got a C.Longhorned wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:00 pm I still can't believe professors make students pay for those ridiculously expensive textbooks. One of the worst aspects of academic capitalism, and it only benefits the educational publishing racket. Worse, some professors become a part of that racket by writing those stupid textbooks.
Had many at the UA who write the textbooks themselves and forced students to buy it.Longhorned wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:00 pm I still can't believe professors make students pay for those ridiculously expensive textbooks. One of the worst aspects of academic capitalism, and it only benefits the educational publishing racket. Worse, some professors become a part of that racket by writing those stupid textbooks.
Merk remember Diane Jenson? You work in the gun store on Pima? What work well for me was ketchup packs and hot water....presto tomato soup.Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:46 pmNope, $333 a semester, although books were still extremely expensive even back then. I lived on $342 a month under the GI Bill and working full time during the summer. Eventually had to get a job evenings to make ends meet. Worked for the Jensens, who had the biggest gun shop in town at the time as a computer operator. Think I made $3.40 an hour.
Same, think I was paid $15.
I remember a few of the kids, mainly the oldest son and his wife. Forget their names. She was really attractive and worked in the office.TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:28 pmMerk remember Diane Jenson? You work in the gun store on Pima? What work well for me was ketchup packs and hot water....presto tomato soup.Merkin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:46 pmNope, $333 a semester, although books were still extremely expensive even back then. I lived on $342 a month under the GI Bill and working full time during the summer. Eventually had to get a job evenings to make ends meet. Worked for the Jensens, who had the biggest gun shop in town at the time as a computer operator. Think I made $3.40 an hour.
Same, think I was paid $15.
It wasn't that long ago, maybe 10-12 years, that Big 5 used to selling Russian 7.62x54R Mausers for $70-$80, and the Turkish versions even cheaper. Back then you could be huge tins of corrosive military ammo from Eastern Europe countries for dirt cheap.
The “director of athletics and head of compliance” is also named in a separate aggravating factor. He’s still employed by the U of A, as are Head swimming coach Augie Bush and Dwight Dumais, who have their own violations to deal with. Robbins purged Men’s basketball but everyone forgets the swim team was the 5th Level 1 and a couple of the Level 2’s.
Both Dumais and Busch were Robbins/Heeke hires. Crazy how Robbins's boys don't take a fall for violations but Miller gets a target on his back.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:19 amThe “director of athletics and head of compliance” is also named in a separate aggravating factor. He’s still employed by the U of A, as are Head swimming coach Augie Bush and Dwight Dumais, who have their own violations to deal with. Robbins purged Men’s basketball but everyone forgets the swim team was the 5th Level 1 and a couple of the Level 2’s.
EXACTLY! Hypocritical at best.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:24 amBoth Dumais and Busch were Robbins/Heeke hires. Crazy how Robbins's boys don't take a fall for violations but Miller gets a target on his back.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:19 amThe “director of athletics and head of compliance” is also named in a separate aggravating factor. He’s still employed by the U of A, as are Head swimming coach Augie Bush and Dwight Dumais, who have their own violations to deal with. Robbins purged Men’s basketball but everyone forgets the swim team was the 5th Level 1 and a couple of the Level 2’s.
It's why I'm so out of Arizona Athletics until Robbins and Heeke are gone.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:35 amEXACTLY! Hypocritical at best.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:24 amBoth Dumais and Busch were Robbins/Heeke hires. Crazy how Robbins's boys don't take a fall for violations but Miller gets a target on his back.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:19 amThe “director of athletics and head of compliance” is also named in a separate aggravating factor. He’s still employed by the U of A, as are Head swimming coach Augie Bush and Dwight Dumais, who have their own violations to deal with. Robbins purged Men’s basketball but everyone forgets the swim team was the 5th Level 1 and a couple of the Level 2’s.
It’s something I struggle with. I can’t support Robbins on any level or Heeke as his puppet. But man, my life since Snowden has revolved in many ways around U of A sports. My mom thought, as kids, we needed to know and love football, baseball, basketball, and my dad thought she was hilarious. So we learned early on to hate assu. We learned we got to stay up late to watch the tape delayed broadcasts of games. We learned how to schedule social events around the sports schedules. We learned the fine art of listening to radio broadcasts back when televised games were about as accessible as the PAC 12 network is now. And we learned that there was exactly one school she would help us get degrees from. I know she would hate this administration more than I do, but it’s hard to just walk away.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:56 amIt's why I'm so out of Arizona Athletics until Robbins and Heeke are gone.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:35 amEXACTLY! Hypocritical at best.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:24 amBoth Dumais and Busch were Robbins/Heeke hires. Crazy how Robbins's boys don't take a fall for violations but Miller gets a target on his back.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:19 amThe “director of athletics and head of compliance” is also named in a separate aggravating factor. He’s still employed by the U of A, as are Head swimming coach Augie Bush and Dwight Dumais, who have their own violations to deal with. Robbins purged Men’s basketball but everyone forgets the swim team was the 5th Level 1 and a couple of the Level 2’s.
Heeke--Robbins's guy, protected.
Busch--Robbins's guy, protected.
Dumais--Robbins's guy, protected.
Fisch--Robbins's guy.
Lloyd--Robbins's guy.
It's a diseased culture of only people Robbins can claim as his and/or manipulate that are protected.
It isn't a slam on Fisch or Lloyd. It's Robbins and Heeke.
I don't have any issue with Fisch or Lloyd, beyond the shady way they were hired. But here is my problem ---- the more successful they are, the more it will inflate Robbins' already outsized ego. So how long before other coaches just aren't winning enough and get shitcanned for a friend of Robbins? Candrea? Lopez? Jim Anderson? Tony Amato? Even Adia Barnes? In other words, it seems the more successful Fisch and Lloyd are, the less likely we will be rid of Robbins and Heeke.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:12 amIt’s something I struggle with. I can’t support Robbins on any level or Heeke as his puppet. But man, my life since Snowden has revolved in many ways around U of A sports. My mom thought, as kids, we needed to know and love football, baseball, basketball, and my dad thought she was hilarious. So we learned early on to hate assu. We learned we got to stay up late to watch the tape delayed broadcasts of games. We learned how to schedule social events around the sports schedules. We learned the fine art of listening to radio broadcasts back when televised games were about as accessible as the PAC 12 network is now. And we learned that there was exactly one school she would help us get degrees from. I know she would hate this administration more than I do, but it’s hard to just walk away.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:56 amIt's why I'm so out of Arizona Athletics until Robbins and Heeke are gone.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:35 amEXACTLY! Hypocritical at best.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:24 amBoth Dumais and Busch were Robbins/Heeke hires. Crazy how Robbins's boys don't take a fall for violations but Miller gets a target on his back.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:19 am
The “director of athletics and head of compliance” is also named in a separate aggravating factor. He’s still employed by the U of A, as are Head swimming coach Augie Bush and Dwight Dumais, who have their own violations to deal with. Robbins purged Men’s basketball but everyone forgets the swim team was the 5th Level 1 and a couple of the Level 2’s.
Heeke--Robbins's guy, protected.
Busch--Robbins's guy, protected.
Dumais--Robbins's guy, protected.
Fisch--Robbins's guy.
Lloyd--Robbins's guy.
It's a diseased culture of only people Robbins can claim as his and/or manipulate that are protected.
It isn't a slam on Fisch or Lloyd. It's Robbins and Heeke.
I hate every bit of how we ended up with Fisch and Lloyd, but I am curious if either of them can put a product on the field or court that is worth watching. I’m curious if they can reach the kids that are wearing the uniforms. Will they leave here talking about Lloyd the way TJ talks about Miller?
Can I hate the hires, give no more money to athletics, but still watch the games and not feel bad? That’s where I’m stuck. It’s a dilemma.
That is the crux of my dilemma. I don’t want Robbins to succeed but my heart can’t root against the kids that choose to come here and rep my university. It just feels crappy.BBQ wildcat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:33 amI don't have any issue with Fisch or Lloyd, beyond the shady way they were hired. But here is my problem ---- the more successful they are, the more it will inflate Robbins' already outsized ego. So how long before other coaches just aren't winning enough and get shitcanned for a friend of Robbins? Candrea? Lopez? Jim Anderson? Tony Amato? Even Adia Barnes? In other words, it seems the more successful Fisch and Lloyd are, the less likely we will be rid of Robbins and Heeke.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:12 amIt’s something I struggle with. I can’t support Robbins on any level or Heeke as his puppet. But man, my life since Snowden has revolved in many ways around U of A sports. My mom thought, as kids, we needed to know and love football, baseball, basketball, and my dad thought she was hilarious. So we learned early on to hate assu. We learned we got to stay up late to watch the tape delayed broadcasts of games. We learned how to schedule social events around the sports schedules. We learned the fine art of listening to radio broadcasts back when televised games were about as accessible as the PAC 12 network is now. And we learned that there was exactly one school she would help us get degrees from. I know she would hate this administration more than I do, but it’s hard to just walk away.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:56 amIt's why I'm so out of Arizona Athletics until Robbins and Heeke are gone.ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:35 amEXACTLY! Hypocritical at best.Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:24 am
Both Dumais and Busch were Robbins/Heeke hires. Crazy how Robbins's boys don't take a fall for violations but Miller gets a target on his back.
Heeke--Robbins's guy, protected.
Busch--Robbins's guy, protected.
Dumais--Robbins's guy, protected.
Fisch--Robbins's guy.
Lloyd--Robbins's guy.
It's a diseased culture of only people Robbins can claim as his and/or manipulate that are protected.
It isn't a slam on Fisch or Lloyd. It's Robbins and Heeke.
I hate every bit of how we ended up with Fisch and Lloyd, but I am curious if either of them can put a product on the field or court that is worth watching. I’m curious if they can reach the kids that are wearing the uniforms. Will they leave here talking about Lloyd the way TJ talks about Miller?
Can I hate the hires, give no more money to athletics, but still watch the games and not feel bad? That’s where I’m stuck. It’s a dilemma.
So I just can not bring myself to support UA sports at all, until thos two are gone.
As someone who is on board with Ekat and BBQ, it's more just that I feel wrong supporting athletics when I know that indirectly supports Robbins.Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:29 am Robbins and Heeke are small potatoes. Supporting Arizona Athletics won't help them keep their jobs. Administrators come and go, and the tradition transcends them. In fact, most of the component parts that comprise the tradition are much, much bigger than Robbins and Heeke. Forget comparing Lute Olson to Robbins and Heeke. Tom Tolbert alone far outweighs Robbins and Heeke. Hell, Fil Torres far outweighs Robbins and Heeke. Like zonagrad said, Lloyd could be a great hire, but it's because it's not because of Robbins and Heeke. It's because they had the keys to the Ferrari, i.e., the tradition.
Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:56 am He isn't a growing tyrant. He's a last-gasp administrator who's overplayed his hand too many times. He's been caught too many times. One of the good things for him about firing Miller is that it appeased the faculty, who are putting a ton of pressure on him. Presidents in this era don't last long, but even if he could swim upstream (which he can't), success in basketball and football would result in pay incentives and retention issues that would increase the pressure from the faculty and the union, who want to de-prioritize sports. For university presidents, it's often the cure that kills you.
I hope he's out. When he leaves, I feel I can support the U of A and athletics again.Longhorned wrote: ↑Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:56 am He isn't a growing tyrant. He's a last-gasp administrator who's overplayed his hand too many times. He's been caught too many times. One of the good things for him about firing Miller is that it appeased the faculty, who are putting a ton of pressure on him. Presidents in this era don't last long, but even if he could swim upstream (which he can't), success in basketball and football would result in pay incentives and retention issues that would increase the pressure from the faculty and the union, who want to de-prioritize sports. For university presidents, it's often the cure that kills you.