2020-2021 Phoenix Suns

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:25 pm

Speaking of Booker, it's fortunate that he's such an offensive force because the dude doesn't really ever pass the ball. If he does it's a bailout that puts a teammate in a bind. He could have more dimes given how much time he has with the ball. Somebody's gotta be open when he drives into the crowded paint. Giannis had twice as many dimes, as many points, and took 10 shots less.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm

I’m rooting hard against the Bucks. Suns will win game 6.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:05 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm I’m rooting hard against the Bucks. Suns will win game 6.

Where the hell were you for games 3-5?

I blame you for the mess the Suns are in

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:31 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:05 pm
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:02 pm I’m rooting hard against the Bucks. Suns will win game 6.
Where the hell were you for games 3-5?

I blame you for the mess the Suns are in

Nobody said it would be easy. Remember my team lost 8 straight Championship series to the Celtics. You have to feel that visceral ache before you smell the roses.

I’m telling you the Suns will win this series. And then you will genuflect in my direction.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:34 pm

Will my visceral ache from losing to Stanford get my Cats a women's basketball national championship someday?

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:40 pm

Longhorned wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:34 pm Will my visceral ache from losing to Stanford get my Cats a women's basketball national championship someday?

No. My Dad went to Stanford so that doesn’t count.

Please keep with the program. Sheesh.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:46 pm

I try

JW_in_Boston · Post by **JW_in_Boston** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:16 am

Longhorned wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:25 am
Yeah but UofAlum05 means that the fans caused the loss. People who grew up Suns fans believe that a team's losses stem from divine interventions responding to their fanbase's confidence, and transfer that belief to other teams we root for.

Also, Phoenix Suns fans relate to being down 3-2 in a series in terms of a game 6 exit, rather than how other teams have beaten the Suns in 7 when the Suns went up 3-2 (Sonics in 1979, Rockets twice in the 90s). Pulling through is something that only other teams do to the Suns.

I have vivid memories of suns players and coaching thinking game 6 was in the bag when it was like a 4 pt lead with under a minute left against the Bulls. They thought they were heading into game 7 at home, but obviously Jordan had other plans.

I haven't been a big nba fan or watcher in the last decade plus after being a big fan thru the 90s and this series has reminded me of why. The refs. They totally give stars different treatment, but more importantly, they get seated too much by momentum, time of the game, the crowd etc. Foul vs non foul is completely subjective in the last 2 mins. They could have easily called a foul on that last steal as there was a ton of contact (glad they didn't) but then CPs pitiful push of GA when he's already finishing his dunk could have easily been ignored. And before that, holiday clearly carried on the way to the bucket, no call. I know that's rarely called but it was really bad. Missing that GA improperly inbounded the other night hit home too as we lost a 1st round game that way and ours was way less egregious. Just who is assigned can swing the game 5-10 pts easily and makes it borderline wrestlinglike performance art.

I'm hoping we win but I'm pretty sure the NBA already decreed that it's the Bucks' to lose. At least I can go back to ignoring the nba for another 3ish decades when the Suns will be back in the finals again

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:45 am

Hoping for some Gar Heard magic tomorrow night.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:23 am

JW_in_Boston wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:16 am
Longhorned wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:25 am
Yeah but UofAlum05 means that the fans caused the loss. People who grew up Suns fans believe that a team's losses stem from divine interventions responding to their fanbase's confidence, and transfer that belief to other teams we root for.

Also, Phoenix Suns fans relate to being down 3-2 in a series in terms of a game 6 exit, rather than how other teams have beaten the Suns in 7 when the Suns went up 3-2 (Sonics in 1979, Rockets twice in the 90s). Pulling through is something that only other teams do to the Suns.
I have vivid memories of suns players and coaching thinking game 6 was in the bag when it was like a 4 pt lead with under a minute left against the Bulls. They thought they were heading into game 7 at home, but obviously Jordan had other plans.

I haven't been a big nba fan or watcher in the last decade plus after being a big fan thru the 90s and this series has reminded me of why. The refs. They totally give stars different treatment, but more importantly, they get seated too much by momentum, time of the game, the crowd etc. Foul vs non foul is completely subjective in the last 2 mins. They could have easily called a foul on that last steal as there was a ton of contact (glad they didn't) but then CPs pitiful push of GA when he's already finishing his dunk could have easily been ignored. And before that, holiday clearly carried on the way to the bucket, no call. I know that's rarely called but it was really bad. Missing that GA improperly inbounded the other night hit home too as we lost a 1st round game that way and ours was way less egregious. Just who is assigned can swing the game 5-10 pts easily and makes it borderline wrestlinglike performance art.

I'm hoping we win but I'm pretty sure the NBA already decreed that it's the Bucks' to lose. At least I can go back to ignoring the nba for another 3ish decades when the Suns will be back in the finals again

Great to hear from you JW!

We can't enjoy the games if we can't accept the home court and star player advantages, and I agree about the influence of momentum, too. Officials are human, and even a particular kind of human, and it's all a part of the games. Unfortunately corruption got exposed as well, but maybe that helps with scrutiny.

I don't mind what's called star treatment. A lot of that is a subjective judgment call on what the officials think a player on offense can do. Lebron wasn't getting calls in the round 1 against Phoenix because the officials knew he was too injury-limited to finish on plays with higher degrees of difficulty that he'd normally score on. Cameron Payne doesn't normally get those calls because he hasn't demonstrated he can score on drives unless he beats defenders and clears their reach on the scoop shot, but they'll give him the call when he does precisely that. The refs will call a foul for any contact on Booker while he's shooting because they know he can score the "and one" from anywhere on the court. Giannis gets those calls on any shot in the block, which is they called Paul's slap at the end.

And when stars age, they stop getting calls they used to get because they can't finish on moves they used to finish on. Not getting calls is one indicator that it's time to change your game or retire.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:00 am

Scott Foster officiating tonight, RIP season.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 10:41 am

That's actually egregious. At least look like you care what it looks like. Either split Foster a game in Milwaukee and in Phoenix, or just give him one game. A second assignment in Milwaukee in an elimination game???

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:10 am

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:33 am

The fix is in. More international interest if Giannis gets a ring

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:52 am

OriginalAZ · Post by **OriginalAZ** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:02 pm

WildcatStunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:00 am Scott Foster officiating tonight, RIP season.

This sucks.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:20 pm

Looks like the first pre season game of the year.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:24 pm

Can we cut out the to's please

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:30 pm

Offense not looking hot right now.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:32 pm

WildcatStunner wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:30 pm Offense not looking hot right now.

The offense looks indecisive.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:34 pm

Phoenix doesn't even look like a playoff team right now. No confidence at all.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:35 pm

This could get real bad real fast.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:45 pm

Really good start for the Suns in the second quarter. Looks like they woke up.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:47 pm

Cam Payne is cooking.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:50 pm

DA not having his best game

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:54 pm

Tie game...LFG!

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:57 pm

The Suns in the lead. The difference between the first and second quarter is night and day.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:01 pm

As bad as the Suns were playing in the 1st quarter, the Bucks are playing worse during the 2nd quarter. The Suns need to close out the quarter on a roll.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:11 pm

Couldn't have asked for anything more after the terrible start.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:22 pm

I don't know what to think right now...

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:59 pm

Hate to admit it but Giannis running the floor is a thing of beauty.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:21 pm

GA, getting every call he wants, is still outworking everyone at both ends of the floor.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:36 pm

G' night y'all

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:39 pm

Giannis is the best in the league

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:43 pm

Congrats to the Bucks. They played better tonight and Phoenix missed a lot of key shots in the 4th.

GA’s game was unbelievable. He just dominated.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:43 pm

Couldn't even watch. So disappointed after the 2-0 start. I don't have 50 more years to wait.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:46 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:43 pm Couldn't even watch. So disappointed after the 2-0 start. I don't have 50 more years to wait.

Even my Cubs win once every 100 years...

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:49 pm

So what will happen first - Phoenix winning a championship or the Wildcats getting to a Rose Bowl?

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:53 pm

Giannis played as perfect a game as I've ever seen. He won that from the free throw line alone, let alone everything else.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:59 pm

Meh. No redemption for my 7 year old self in 93. Maybe when I'm 63 years old. I'm slowly starting to think I'm not meant to see basketball championships on final 4s happen.

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:15 pm

Typical suns performance to lose four straight. Ayton was a wet blanket from start to finish tonight. What a terrible way to end the series.

AzCatFan2 · Post by **AzCatFan2** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:41 am

Ayton has such a soft touch on his shot, he relies on it too much instead of going strong to the bucket. Ayton could truly be dominating like Giannis if Ayton played to his size more. Still only year 3 in the league for Ayton, and he's a better player today then he was drafted. Still has time.

And Giannis was the best player on the floor. It also helped that he got all the calls and shot 19 free throws for the game. Exact same amount as the entire Suns team! Even if you take away the late, clock stopping foul that gave Giannis 2 FTs, he shot more free throws in the two games Tim Foster officiated than the entire Suns team. (Games 3 and 6). In the other 4 games combined, Suns shot 70 free throws to Giannis 49. And this includes game 2, where Giannis went to the line 18 times!

Not sure if it would have made a difference, but the referees often times make the NBA difficult to watch.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:47 am

My thoughts for game 6 was to let Giannis get his and stop Middleton and Holliday.

The Suns basically did that... but I did not account for Giannis to be a monster from the FT line. He was so clutch. If he hits his normal %, we have a game 7.

Also the Suns can't win with Booker being meh to good. If he is a superstar, he needs to be that superstar every game.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:19 am

AL - this is your fault. You should have let me root for the Suns.

Now it's too late. Back to the Purple and Gold.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:30 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:47 am My thoughts for game 6 was to let Giannis get his and stop Middleton and Holliday.

The Suns basically did that... but I did not account for Giannis to be a monster from the FT line. He was so clutch. If he hits his normal %, we have a game 7.

Also the Suns can't win with Booker being meh to good. If he is a superstar, he needs to be that superstar every game.

Agree 100%.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:40 am

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:19 am AL - this is your fault. You should have let me root for the Suns.

Now it's too late. Back to the Purple and Gold.

I regret everything....

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