Sean Miller

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:44 pm

said it the second he was fired -- would be a massive home run

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:44 pm

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:48 pm

NYCat wrote:

I would definitely consider him. I don't know why you wouldn't.

Does he want it is a whole other question.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:00 pm

Only issue is he might be around for only a year or two then go on to be a HC again, and take a recruit or two with him. But hopefully he would not get a big enough job to make the highest of recruits want to join him.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:09 pm

Happening status: It

WildcatLouis · Post by **WildcatLouis** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:40 pm

Would Basnight's head explode if this happened?

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:54 pm

PHXCATS wrote:Only issue is he might be around for only a year or two then go on to be a HC again, and take a recruit or two with him. But hopefully he would not get a big enough job to make the highest of recruits want to join him.

Most of his big recruits lately have been one and dones and the odds of a guy like that leaving Arizona for a run of the mill D1 (dont see Romar being offered a top tier job) are probably slim. No concern to me. Would be a homerun hire

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:37 pm

I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:17 pm

http://www.beardownwildcats.com/viewtop ... ar#p231860" target="_blank

Mmmm

RaisingArizona · Post by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:53 pm

Romar would be the perfect influence on Miller in terms of getting him to loosen up the reins on offense. Not to mention his recruiting acumen. Plus if we ever need to run a kid off, we'd have his expertise on the matter.

I would be ecstatic with the hire.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 7:24 pm

Romar would be an A++ hire. But I'd expect him to be hired as a head coach elsewhere first.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:13 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:Romar would be the perfect influence on Miller in terms of getting him to loosen up the reins on offense. Not to mention his recruiting acumen. Plus if we ever need to run a kid off, we'd have his expertise on the matter. I would be ecstatic with the hire.

Dude, I hope you're not serious about the offensive philosophy. Miller does not exactly need to change things up and defer to a guy who engineered a finish in the Pac basement despite having the consensus #1 pick running point.

Jwsisliving · Post by **Jwsisliving** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:10 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.

when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:38 pm

Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.
when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.

Emmanuel Negedu when Josh Pastner left. You could make the argument that Pastner leaving was more than enough motivation for Brandon Jennings to stop caring about his SAT as well.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:46 am

Jwsisliving · Post by **Jwsisliving** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:59 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.
when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.
Emmanuel Negedu when Josh Pastner left. You could make the argument that Pastner leaving was more than enough motivation for Brandon Jennings to stop caring about his SAT as well.

Yeah but you said in the other thread that Lute was not very involved in recruiting near the end, handing over much of the responsibilities to Pastner (who was a pretty good recruiter). Can you remember it happening before then? Or with any of Sean's assistants that have previously left?

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:29 pm

Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.
when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.
Emmanuel Negedu when Josh Pastner left. You could make the argument that Pastner leaving was more than enough motivation for Brandon Jennings to stop caring about his SAT as well.
Yeah but you said in the other thread that Lute was not very involved in recruiting near the end, handing over much of the responsibilities to Pastner (who was a pretty good recruiter). Can you remember it happening before then? Or with any of Sean's assistants that have previously left?

No and of course it didn't happen with any of Sean's assistants. Truthfully for it to occur it would have to be a Lute/Pastner situation or an assistant that was the player's AAU or HS coach or an assistant that had a reputation large enough. Romar would obviously only qualify for the last situation and obviously that's no guarantee. Overall I'm like you and am not too concerned, but it is a slight possibility, especially if we went from Pasternack as the lead recruiter to Romar and we lost both in back to back years.

PennZona20 · Post by **PennZona20** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:05 pm

The reward , even short term, greatly outweighs the risk.

It's an easy hire if Romar is ok being associate HC instead of HC.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:47 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.
when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.
Emmanuel Negedu when Josh Pastner left. You could make the argument that Pastner leaving was more than enough motivation for Brandon Jennings to stop caring about his SAT as well.

You can make any argument you'd like....

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:46 am

I once played pickup with Romar in McKale on the old tartan floor. Be so bizarre to see him on the bench.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:46 am

Harvey Specter wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.
when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.
Emmanuel Negedu when Josh Pastner left. You could make the argument that Pastner leaving was more than enough motivation for Brandon Jennings to stop caring about his SAT as well.
You can make any argument you'd like....

Yeah. He wasn't passing that. Period.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Apr 02, 2017 8:10 am

gumby wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Jwsisliving wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:I'm not concerned with Romar taking recruits with him, but kids decommitting because their recruiting assistant went elsewhere has happened in the past and that would be my concern. Would prefer to have him for two years that's for sure.
when has that happened with arizona? we've had assistants get promoted to head coach at other (usually much smaller) schools and I don't remember it ever costing us any recruits.
Emmanuel Negedu when Josh Pastner left. You could make the argument that Pastner leaving was more than enough motivation for Brandon Jennings to stop caring about his SAT as well.
You can make any argument you'd like....
Yeah. He wasn't passing that. Period.

Hey "he" passed it once before, because he really "tried."

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:39 am

Instead of dropping this in the Lauri thread, I'll put it here.

For people criticizing Miller's coaching against Xavier:

We shot abysmally from 3 despite getting mostly open looks for good shooters. Bluiett had arguably the best half of his life.

Despite that, Miller's game plan was good enough that we were shaking that off and should have won the game. It was the collapse at the end that lost it. I understand criticizing for giving it away down the stretch. I do not understand criticizing the overall game plan. It overcame a lot and put us in position to win the game, which we squandered.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:49 am

We had it in hand up 8 with a few minutes left. Just didn't close out. Missed some big shots, had some costly turnovers, and Xavier kept hitting. You need luck to keep advancing, and we were just a little short. Wasn't like we got blown out. We just lost a tight game to a solid, well coached team.

Miller will get there. No doubts.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:53 am

Great to have you back beach.

I sincerely mean that.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 8:56 am

Gonzaga fell apart last 2 minutes last night just as much as Arizona did v. X.

Happens to the best of coaches.

Zags had a very mature team though, same with UNC.

Once Miller starts keeping players I think all the pieces will fall together.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:00 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Instead of dropping this in the Lauri thread, I'll put it here.

For people criticizing Miller's coaching against Xavier:

We shot abysmally from 3 despite getting mostly open looks for good shooters. Bluiett had arguably the best half of his life.

Despite that, Miller's game plan was good enough that we were shaking that off and should have won the game. It was the collapse at the end that lost it. I understand criticizing for giving it away down the stretch. I do not understand criticizing the overall game plan. It overcame a lot and put us in position to win the game, which we squandered.

Or you can say that a better performance by Miller blows Xavier out of the water.

Yes some open looks were missed and Allen would have shut Bluiett down if he didnt have two early fouls, but Miller deserves a ton of blame for this performance and he says so as much when he hasnt in the past.

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:01 am

Merkin wrote:Gonzaga fell apart last 2 minutes last night just as much as Arizona did v. X.

Happens to the best of coaches.

Zags had a very mature team though, same with UNC.

Once Miller starts keeping players I think all the pieces will fall together.

Gonzaga never had a 8 point lead in the 2nd half

North Carolina is far better coached and has far far far better talent than Xavier

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:02 am

Merkin wrote: Once Miller starts keeping players I think all the pieces will fall together.

Isn't Miller more like Cailpari, in the sense that he encourages players to go to the NBA?

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:24 am

PHXCATS wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Instead of dropping this in the Lauri thread, I'll put it here.

For people criticizing Miller's coaching against Xavier:

We shot abysmally from 3 despite getting mostly open looks for good shooters. Bluiett had arguably the best half of his life.

Despite that, Miller's game plan was good enough that we were shaking that off and should have won the game. It was the collapse at the end that lost it. I understand criticizing for giving it away down the stretch. I do not understand criticizing the overall game plan. It overcame a lot and put us in position to win the game, which we squandered.
Or you can say that a better performance by Miller blows Xavier out of the water.

Yes some open looks were missed and Allen would have shut Bluiett down if he didnt have two early fouls, but Miller deserves a ton of blame for this performance and he says so as much when he hasnt in the past.

Could he have performed better? Yes. Does that mean he performed poorly? No.

I don't fault him for the overall game. The performance down the stretch, that is fair to assess blame for. With Blueitt, it didn't really matter if Kadeem was out there. Some of those shots in the first half were great D and a shot that just went in.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:26 am

NYCat wrote:
Merkin wrote: Once Miller starts keeping players I think all the pieces will fall together.
Isn't Miller more like Cailpari, in the sense that he encourages players to go to the NBA?

I think he encourages them to do what is best. Like with Lauri, he should have left and the only person who would have told him to stay would have been someone selfishly trying to benefit Arizona at Lauri's expense.

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:35 am

Think the Xavier game was the ultimate culmination of not having a capable SF on the roster. I know Smith was supposed to be that. And Ferguson or Jackson could've filled the roll. But it would've nice to have a low 4* on the roster as a backup in case Smith got injured again.

Could've used Emmanuel Akot this year, a versatile long wing who can defend. That type of player (rhj type) was probably more important. That and despite having two 7 footers and a 6'11 guy, having no rim protectors/shot blockers.

Xavier walked into the paint the whole game, it was maddening. Jordan bell completely blocked out Kansas in the paint, game changer - affected the shots from Mason/Graham.

Arizona likely loses to Gonzaga anyway. I know that now.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:41 am

Merkin wrote:Once Miller starts keeping players I think all the pieces will fall together.

Unfortunately this is what college basketball has become for the top level teams. Off season luck has become more important than anything else. You win the lottery when everyone comes back or you are back to reload/rebuild mode.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:34 am

Looking at Carolina's rooster they have 9 JRs and SRs on their squad.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... r/_/id/153" target="_blank

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:49 am

I think the magic is one one and done guy and you build the rest of low 4 star guys that develop like Gonzaga and Oregon and Carolina have done (know not all those have the one and dones)

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:40 am

azgreg wrote:Looking at Carolina's rooster they have 9 JRs and SRs on their squad.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... r/_/id/153" target="_blank

Thought the Zags had more seniors

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... a-bulldogs" target="_blank

But only Karnowski and Mathews.

Had no idea Collins was a frosh. That man is skilled. What a difference with him on the court instead of Hodor.

When Collins fouled out I told my wife that game is over.

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:44 pm

PHXCATS wrote:I think the magic is one one and done guy and you build the rest of low 4 star guys that develop like Gonzaga and Oregon and Carolina have done (know not all those have the one and dones)

Somehow UNC is turning McD's All-Americans into guys with 4* mentalities.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:02 pm

NC with 9 Juniors and Seniors is like the good old days. I wonder if that just happened or if it is part of their recruiting philosophy. Gonzaga not far behind with eight.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:11 pm

Dave wrote:NC with 9 Juniors and Seniors is like the good old days. I wonder if that just happened or if it is part of their recruiting philosophy. Gonzaga not far behind with eight.

I said it in another thread, but if Justin Jackson went to Arizona he never would've stayed more than 2 years and I doubt it'd be more than one. It's a culture thing IMO. It's either that or Roy is just excellent at guilting these guys into returning.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:17 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:It's either that or Roy is just excellent at guilting these guys into returning.

The power of tears.

prh · Post by **prh** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:20 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Dave wrote:NC with 9 Juniors and Seniors is like the good old days. I wonder if that just happened or if it is part of their recruiting philosophy. Gonzaga not far behind with eight.
I said it in another thread, but if Justin Jackson went to Arizona he never would've stayed more than 2 years and I doubt it'd be more than one. It's a culture thing IMO. It's either that or Roy is just excellent at guilting these guys into returning.

Having fake classes helps too

EVCat · Post by **EVCat** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:50 am

ChooChooCat wrote:It's either that or Roy is just excellent at guilting these guys into returning.

I wonder how often that really happens. I know on the football side, one huge (massive sized) returner early in Graham's tenure at ASU returned for his senior year against the advice of most and changed his body type and was awful his senior year, costing him millions. He returned because Graham basically blackmailed him with a dirty test...a good Christian man couldn't tell the NFL that this player was clean, couldn't lie. But if he got another year in him, maybe it could be forgotten about...

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:22 am

ChooChooCat wrote:
Dave wrote:NC with 9 Juniors and Seniors is like the good old days. I wonder if that just happened or if it is part of their recruiting philosophy. Gonzaga not far behind with eight.
I said it in another thread, but if Justin Jackson went to Arizona he never would've stayed more than 2 years and I doubt it'd be more than one. It's a culture thing IMO. It's either that or Roy is just excellent at guilting these guys into returning.

I've long wondered if part of Roy's secret is intentionally damaging his players' pro prospects to force them to stay. A guy like Tony Bradley this year is a physically dominant dude, but Roy had Maye playing over him for long stretches.

You never know how much is that the younger guy isn't ready, but I've seen that pattern often enough to wonder if Roy is very quietly applying the reins.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:06 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
Dave wrote:NC with 9 Juniors and Seniors is like the good old days. I wonder if that just happened or if it is part of their recruiting philosophy. Gonzaga not far behind with eight.
I said it in another thread, but if Justin Jackson went to Arizona he never would've stayed more than 2 years and I doubt it'd be more than one. It's a culture thing IMO. It's either that or Roy is just excellent at guilting these guys into returning.
I've long wondered if part of Roy's secret is intentionally damaging his players' pro prospects to force them to stay. A guy like Tony Bradley this year is a physically dominant dude, but Roy had Maye playing over him for long stretches.

You never know how much is that the younger guy isn't ready, but I've seen that pattern often enough to wonder if Roy is very quietly applying the reins.

How the hell did he get Isaiah Hicks to stay 4 fricken years? Honest question. Comanche is concerned with PT fresh off his sophomore year as a 18 minute per gamer and Hicks, a much higher rated prospect than Comanche, averaged the same amount of minutes his junior year. Shit like that pisses me off so much.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:11 am

Maybe it's the Dean Smith secret sauce. He held Jordan under 20 ppg. Roy is pulling a similar trick.

I was shocked at how good Jordan was on offense once he left.

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:23 am

Almost 48 hours since we offered Romar the job...whats the hold up?

NYCat · Post by **NYCat** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:25 am

Jefe wrote:Almost 48 hours since we offered Romar the job...whats the hold up?

4/13 - job must be posted for 10 days

Jefe · Post by **Jefe** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:03 pm

Oh sweet, I'll send a resume in. I only want $120K too. Total bargain

Puerco · Post by **Puerco** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:50 pm

Jefe wrote:Oh sweet, I'll send a resume in. I only want $120K too. Total bargain

Shay?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:06 am

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