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dmjcat wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:10 pm Tennessee transfer visits AZ
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This dude is a full on monster. He would immediately be the strongest, most physical guy on the team. However, he is a 5 all the way here and I dont see him playing much 4 unless we just want to mash teams. He is going to be similar to Ballo as a vertical spacer and lob threat. He needs a runway, but he has really good feet and can operate in traffic.

Offensively he is an absolute load in the paint. He is going to put guys into the basket, is a space eater in the heart of the defense, and active on the offensive glass. Good touch, he can finish through contact, has a pretty decent fadeaway jumper in the paint to get a shot up against longer, bigger guys. Good drop step, can work in the dunker spot, and an absolute unit setting screens. He is going to free up guards on those DHOs because hes wide and extremely physical. He is going to make sure guys feel it when he sets a screen.

In transition, he can run the court and moves pretty well for a guy his size. Will easily be able to seal and pin dudes. Definitely a threat on our duck ins. Hasnt shown much of anything as a passer.

Defensively, hes more active and agile than he initially looks. He is a quality defender who can slide his feet laterally, has decent mobility, can play at the level of the screen and in the drop. He actually does a nice job sliding with the guards at the level in ball screens. However, on the block is where you see his value. This dude was holding his own against Edey man up. He uses his strength and leverage to hold position on offense, but especially on defense. Edey wasnt able to back him down, and his footwork allowed him to keep his feet moving and slide to cut off Edey's moves and counters. He can defend any big man in the country on the block because of his strength and IQ.

He does a good job contesting shots just by playing straight up. His size allows him to get into offensive players, which is why his block rate is so high despite not being vertically athletic. When a shot goes up, he is bulldozing through guys to get to a rebound. Oh yeah, good luck boxing him out. He is going right through you.

Overall, he is a nice counter to what we have at C. He is physically imposing, would be the strongest guy on the team, has good feet, and can score around the rim multiple ways, monster on the glass and this is a dude who is NOT getting punked by anyone.
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I like it when Clip gets excited about a guy.
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dovecanyoncat wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:31 pm I like it when Clip gets excited about a guy.
Just wait till I really like a guy.

This portal season has been pretty underwhelming, but this dude is fun to watch bulldoze his victims.
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TucsonClip wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:07 pm
dovecanyoncat wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:31 pm I like it when Clip gets excited about a guy.
Just wait till I really like a guy.

This portal season has been pretty underwhelming, but this dude is fun to watch bulldoze his victims.
He was really good @ U19 FIBA for TUSA. Never could translate that for Barnes, however. At face value this read to me like Johnson “coming to shoot 3s and show my perimeter game” last off season where Awaka is coming in for Lloyd to morph him in to a 4, which is what he likely needs to be if he is going to play at the next level.

Problem there is he is a 5 and lacks the shooting, handle, and perimeter defensive ability to guard quicker players becoming a 4 would require.

As a 5 there are a bunch of questions:

Is Lloyd moving on from Krivas?
Is Awaka content to come in and be the center off the bench?
Is this another example (Kriisa, Maruskas, Boro, etc.) of Lloyd morphing his roster into one that can compete in the B12?
Is this a NIL move where he is going to the highest bidder or maximizing his number for a return to UT?

Unless Krivas is moving on this one doesn’t make a lot of sense: no position/minutes, Lloyd loves tall 5s, could start at a number of other high profile programs, etc.

Feels a bit like his posse is calling the shots.
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Obviously would be good to get Awaka and Townsend, but with no outside game at the 4 and 5, defenses will just pack the paint again and dare the Cats to shoot from the perimeter, and Love will be more than happy to oblige.
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Winger wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 8:33 am
TucsonClip wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:07 pm
dovecanyoncat wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:31 pm I like it when Clip gets excited about a guy.
Just wait till I really like a guy.

This portal season has been pretty underwhelming, but this dude is fun to watch bulldoze his victims.
He was really good @ U19 FIBA for TUSA. Never could translate that for Barnes, however. At face value this read to me like Johnson “coming to shoot 3s and show my perimeter game” last off season where Awaka is coming in for Lloyd to morph him in to a 4, which is what he likely needs to be if he is going to play at the next level.

Problem there is he is a 5 and lacks the shooting, handle, and perimeter defensive ability to guard quicker players becoming a 4 would require.

As a 5 there are a bunch of questions:

Is Lloyd moving on from Krivas?
Is Awaka content to come in and be the center off the bench?
Is this another example (Kriisa, Maruskas, Boro, etc.) of Lloyd morphing his roster into one that can compete in the B12?
Is this a NIL move where he is going to the highest bidder or maximizing his number for a return to UT?

Unless Krivas is moving on this one doesn’t make a lot of sense: no position/minutes, Lloyd loves tall 5s, could start at a number of other high profile programs, etc.

Feels a bit like his posse is calling the shots.
Feels like he's going to compete with Krivas and each split 20 MPG at the 5. I don't see him as a 4 at all, but that could be the pitch for extra minutes off the bench.

Personally, I want to see Stephen. I don't usually scout HS guys unless I see then in international competitions. But his 247 profile is that if an athletic defender who rebounds and is a vertical spacer. No idea if that's true.

However, it does feel to me like Lloyd is trying to add some bruisers to deal with the physicality in the B12. This dude absolutely fits that bill. None of our current bigs do.
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TucsonClip wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 9:41 am
Winger wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 8:33 am
TucsonClip wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 11:07 pm
dovecanyoncat wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 10:31 pm I like it when Clip gets excited about a guy.
Just wait till I really like a guy.

This portal season has been pretty underwhelming, but this dude is fun to watch bulldoze his victims.
He was really good @ U19 FIBA for TUSA. Never could translate that for Barnes, however. At face value this read to me like Johnson “coming to shoot 3s and show my perimeter game” last off season where Awaka is coming in for Lloyd to morph him in to a 4, which is what he likely needs to be if he is going to play at the next level.

Problem there is he is a 5 and lacks the shooting, handle, and perimeter defensive ability to guard quicker players becoming a 4 would require.

As a 5 there are a bunch of questions:

Is Lloyd moving on from Krivas?
Is Awaka content to come in and be the center off the bench?
Is this another example (Kriisa, Maruskas, Boro, etc.) of Lloyd morphing his roster into one that can compete in the B12?
Is this a NIL move where he is going to the highest bidder or maximizing his number for a return to UT?

Unless Krivas is moving on this one doesn’t make a lot of sense: no position/minutes, Lloyd loves tall 5s, could start at a number of other high profile programs, etc.

Feels a bit like his posse is calling the shots.
Feels like he's going to compete with Krivas and each split 20 MPG at the 5. I don't see him as a 4 at all, but that could be the pitch for extra minutes off the bench.

Personally, I want to see Stephen. I don't usually scout HS guys unless I see then in international competitions. But his 247 profile is that if an athletic defender who rebounds and is a vertical spacer. No idea if that's true.

However, it does feel to me like Lloyd is trying to add some bruisers to deal with the physicality in the B12. This dude absolutely fits that bill. None of our current bigs do.
Not used to high profile transfers coming in without a guarantee but he definitely gives Lloyd a different look at the 5.
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I'm liking our chances with Townsend, if for no other reason than I think the warm, rustic charms of Tucson and the athlete-friendly UofA campus may win out over another midwest school.

Also, AZ > OSU
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the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
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starting

Jaden, love, KJ, townsend, and Krivas would be pretty terrible for spacing. also extremely small
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SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:34 pm starting

Jaden, love, KJ, townsend, and Krivas would be pretty terrible for spacing. also extremely small
I really don’t see Love being back.
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Beachcat97 wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 6:06 pm
SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:34 pm starting

Jaden, love, KJ, townsend, and Krivas would be pretty terrible for spacing. also extremely small
I really don’t see Love being back.
How can he turn down a million bucks when he is looking at 1/5th of that overseas?
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SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:25 pm the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
Seems iffy that Awaka can play the 4, so not sure he effects Veesaar much; but am interested in your comment on Townsend above. Care to expand on that?

Don’t know that Lloyd has had anyone exactly like him yet. He is similar to Awaka in that he is undersized for a 4, doesn’t play like a 3/SF, isn’t a great shooter, and makes his living isoing/backing dudes down, in or near the paint where he can go both ways, shoot with both hands, and finish through contact and over bigger dudes (at least in the Horizon League).

What is interesting to me is that, as far as I know, Arizona hasn’t brought in a guy at one of the main positional needs: a legit PF, yet.
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SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:25 pm the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
Henri is a 4, and was playing the 4 last we saw him. Unless his game has changed quite a bit, he wanted nothing to do with battling for position on the block.
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Winger wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:27 am
SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:25 pm the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
Seems iffy that Awaka can play the 4, so not sure he effects Veesaar much; but am interested in your comment on Townsend above. Care to expand on that?

Don’t know that Lloyd has had anyone exactly like him yet. He is similar to Awaka in that he is undersized for a 4, doesn’t play like a 3/SF, isn’t a great shooter, and makes his living isoing/backing dudes down, in or near the paint where he can go both ways, shoot with both hands, and finish through contact and over bigger dudes (at least in the Horizon League).

What is interesting to me is that, as far as I know, Arizona hasn’t brought in a guy at one of the main positional needs: a legit PF, yet.
Not a big fan of Townsend, as you can tell from my scout on him. However, I haven't seen many 4s I would take who are really any good. I liked Mark Mitchell from Duke, but mainly because he is a legit defensive stud. Problem is he wanted more offensive involvement...
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Winger wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:27 am
SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:25 pm the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
Seems iffy that Awaka can play the 4, so not sure he effects Veesaar much; but am interested in your comment on Townsend above. Care to expand on that?

Don’t know that Lloyd has had anyone exactly like him yet. He is similar to Awaka in that he is undersized for a 4, doesn’t play like a 3/SF, isn’t a great shooter, and makes his living isoing/backing dudes down, in or near the paint where he can go both ways, shoot with both hands, and finish through contact and over bigger dudes (at least in the Horizon League).

What is interesting to me is that, as far as I know, Arizona hasn’t brought in a guy at one of the main positional needs: a legit PF, yet.
He looks to me like a shorter Tubelis, which definitely had severe liabilities for Arizona come tournament time. I would have preferred a PF who is a really good defender over a guy who can score in volume. Our offense has shown it can get buckets for bigs who may not have the most developed offensive game.
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Henri is pretty obviously a center if he has any future in basketball.
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And Townsend commits to UA
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SunnyAZ wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:44 am And Townsend commits to UA
Woot!!!
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Great to see Tommy get a kid he prioritized.

So I take it he’s Keshad’s replacement?
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Certainly not as big or strong as Keshad, but a really good athlete. I think majority of his shots were at the rim.
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At least UA doesn't have to play him again, at least in a scheduled game.

You will not outbid UT for NIL money.
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TucsonClip wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 7:29 am
Winger wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:27 am
SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:25 pm the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
Seems iffy that Awaka can play the 4, so not sure he effects Veesaar much; but am interested in your comment on Townsend above. Care to expand on that?

Don’t know that Lloyd has had anyone exactly like him yet. He is similar to Awaka in that he is undersized for a 4, doesn’t play like a 3/SF, isn’t a great shooter, and makes his living isoing/backing dudes down, in or near the paint where he can go both ways, shoot with both hands, and finish through contact and over bigger dudes (at least in the Horizon League).

What is interesting to me is that, as far as I know, Arizona hasn’t brought in a guy at one of the main positional needs: a legit PF, yet.
Not a big fan of Townsend, as you can tell from my scout on him. However, I haven't seen many 4s I would take who are really any good. I liked Mark Mitchell from Duke, but mainly because he is a legit defensive stud. Problem is he wanted more offensive involvement...

Agree, feels like a mid level addition, especially if he is playing at the 4. Still very early but this off season so far has felt to me like Lloyd is going to roll with what he already has. If that is what it ends up being I hope it’s good enough. He has earned the benefit of the doubt but there are almost no proven high major starters as of today (Bradley) and I remain scarred by what I saw (in terms of lack of offseason development and newcomers who could actually play) vs Lewis - Clark.
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Maybe Tommy is just really feeling good about the incoming freshmen? It’s his best class so far.

But yeah, I’m not sure how “rolling with what we have” is gonna play in the B12.
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Louisville? Really?

I mean all things being equal… I guess all things weren’t equal. Dude must have gotten a huge NIL deal to go there.
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gronk4heisman wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 9:10 am
Winger wrote: Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:27 am
SunnyAZ wrote: Tue Apr 23, 2024 12:25 pm the second I saw we were going after Townsend I assumed he was coming here. he is a perfect fit for what tommy wants even if that isn't ideally how to play basketball in 2024.

assuming both love and KJ come back that should be the team.

if awaka comes I guess Henri would leave
Seems iffy that Awaka can play the 4, so not sure he effects Veesaar much; but am interested in your comment on Townsend above. Care to expand on that?

Don’t know that Lloyd has had anyone exactly like him yet. He is similar to Awaka in that he is undersized for a 4, doesn’t play like a 3/SF, isn’t a great shooter, and makes his living isoing/backing dudes down, in or near the paint where he can go both ways, shoot with both hands, and finish through contact and over bigger dudes (at least in the Horizon League).

What is interesting to me is that, as far as I know, Arizona hasn’t brought in a guy at one of the main positional needs: a legit PF, yet.
He looks to me like a shorter Tubelis, which definitely had severe liabilities for Arizona come tournament time. I would have preferred a PF who is a really good defender over a guy who can score in volume. Our offense has shown it can get buckets for bigs who may not have the most developed offensive game.
Yeah he is quite a bit shorter than Tubelis. Also isn’t the rim runner that Tubelis was and to my eye he doesn’t have the same quality as a finisher as well. Think a key for him might be whether or not his finishing ability inside will translate from the Horizon to the B12.
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Hobos? Maybe he’ll get some playing time.
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TucsonClip wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:59 pm
dmjcat wrote: Mon Apr 22, 2024 9:10 pm Tennessee transfer visits AZ
Tobe Awaka Quick Scouting Report

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This dude is a full on monster. He would immediately be the strongest, most physical guy on the team. However, he is a 5 all the way here and I dont see him playing much 4 unless we just want to mash teams. He is going to be similar to Ballo as a vertical spacer and lob threat. He needs a runway, but he has really good feet and can operate in traffic.

Offensively he is an absolute load in the paint. He is going to put guys into the basket, is a space eater in the heart of the defense, and active on the offensive glass. Good touch, he can finish through contact, has a pretty decent fadeaway jumper in the paint to get a shot up against longer, bigger guys. Good drop step, can work in the dunker spot, and an absolute unit setting screens. He is going to free up guards on those DHOs because hes wide and extremely physical. He is going to make sure guys feel it when he sets a screen.

In transition, he can run the court and moves pretty well for a guy his size. Will easily be able to seal and pin dudes. Definitely a threat on our duck ins. Hasnt shown much of anything as a passer.

Defensively, hes more active and agile than he initially looks. He is a quality defender who can slide his feet laterally, has decent mobility, can play at the level of the screen and in the drop. He actually does a nice job sliding with the guards at the level in ball screens. However, on the block is where you see his value. This dude was holding his own against Edey man up. He uses his strength and leverage to hold position on offense, but especially on defense. Edey wasnt able to back him down, and his footwork allowed him to keep his feet moving and slide to cut off Edey's moves and counters. He can defend any big man in the country on the block because of his strength and IQ.

He does a good job contesting shots just by playing straight up. His size allows him to get into offensive players, which is why his block rate is so high despite not being vertically athletic. When a shot goes up, he is bulldozing through guys to get to a rebound. Oh yeah, good luck boxing him out. He is going right through you.

Overall, he is a nice counter to what we have at C. He is physically imposing, would be the strongest guy on the team, has good feet, and can score around the rim multiple ways, monster on the glass and this is a dude who is NOT getting punked by anyone.
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Wonder if we are actually pursuing this kid after the Awaka commitment:
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dmjcat wrote: Tue Apr 30, 2024 12:02 pm Wonder if we are actually pursuing this kid after the Awaka commitment:
Yeah...I don't think we're pursuing this kid period. Seems like he listed a few real schools and a handful of dream options.
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All I know is that Arkansas will be better than Kentucky next season.
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As expected. Maybe I'll run into him and shout out a bear down :lol:
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Dylan Anderson still has eligibility?!
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AZCatGirl wrote: Thu May 02, 2024 9:37 pm Dylan Anderson still has eligibility?!
He has 3 years left.
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