NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:35 pm

loomer wrote:Best offensive team in KenPom history beats the best defensive team in KenPom history

Take note: At this level, offense is weighted as a better predictor of success vs defense.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:37 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:
loomer wrote:Best offensive team in KenPom history beats the best defensive team in KenPom history
Take note: At this level, offense is weighted as a better predictor of success vs defense.

As you know, this is and has been clear.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:38 pm

Wisconsin didn't have to bury 10-12 three's and shoot 15-19 in the second half to win by 7. Just validates that we didn't lose that game, we just got beat by the really hot hand

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:41 pm

I just hope Miller lets the talent play next year.

Sometimes I feel his system stifles offensive creativity. Don't get me wrong, I love his defense, it keeps us in games, but I just wish he would open it up a bit on the offensive side.

I'm not trying to be offensive with my post.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:42 pm

Wisconsin, 1.23 points per possession and had 12 more rebounds. Earned it.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:44 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:I just hope Miller lets the talent play next year.

Sometimes I feel his system stifles offensive creativity. Don't get me wrong, I love his defense, it keeps us in games, but I just wish he would open it up a bit on the offensive side.

I'm not trying to be offensive with my post.

Wisconsin runs that swing offense every year. He never opens it up. Prefers efficiency. Doubt Miller changes much. He's a KenPom guy. Values efficiency.

Longhorned · Post by **Longhorned** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:48 pm

Bo Ryan's offense is the epitome of a controlled, clock-eating offense. If a player innovates, he goes straight to the bench.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:05 pm

Main Event wrote:https://kentucky.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=888&fid=1383

Enjoy.

Lots of angst about how John "Roll the ball out there" Calipari coaches in game and manages games which, we all know, always was one of his strong suits.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:09 pm

Fair enough on all points.

Ryan vs K. That will be a great coaching match-up. Hope the Kaminsky's can pull it off.

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:13 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Fair enough on all points.

Ryan vs K. That will be a great coaching match-up. Hope the Kaminsky's can pull it off.

Kaminsky is the second best player on Wisky. Dekker was the one who made the difference against UK. And I would call him the best player of the tourney so far.

rgdeuce · Post by **rgdeuce** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:04 pm

Dekker is tournament MVP for sure.

This is the first time in I will be rooting for duke in a game in 23 or 24 years. I want frank the tank to rot

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:13 pm

rgdeuce wrote:Dekker is tournament MVP for sure.

This is the first time in I will be rooting for duke in a game in 23 or 24 years. I want frank the tank to rot

No reason to root for duke. One it's duke, two, it makes us look better if Wisconsin wins.

elriop20 · Post by **elriop20** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:42 pm

Can't help, but get a little envious of how outstanding Dukes freshies have performed this tournament.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:44 pm

Look, I get that people hate Wisconsin for what they did to us, and Kaminsky for being Laettner.

However, it is Duke. I mean, you are really gonna root for Dook?

Don't do it. Wisconsin is the team you want.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:23 am

not actively rooting for either team in the final, but it wouldn't exactly pain me to see puke lose.

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:34 am

Olsondogg wrote:Look, I get that people hate Wisconsin for what they did to us, and Kaminsky for being Laettner.

However, it is Duke. I mean, you are really gonna root for Dook?

Don't do it. Wisconsin is the team you want.

Yea fuck Duke.

Like we've said all along Wiscy, Kentucky, AZ should not have been on one side of the bracket and if Duke coasts to the championship game and squeaks by Wiscy I'm gonna be real pissed. If AZ was on the right side of the bracket we would've beaten Duke already or we would be discussing our game with them last night, no doubt in my mind.

Fuck Wisconsin too though, but they're the lesser of two evils by far.

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:36 am

loomer wrote:Best offensive team in KenPom history beats the best defensive team in KenPom history

At the other end of the court the #55 adjd team beat the #5 adjo team.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:34 am

I'm rooting for Duke. First time since 1991.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:40 am

CatMG wrote:
Catintheheat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Should be us
I don't think so. Not this year, maybe last year. Wisconsin deserves where they are.
They deserved it against the Cats. But it took a ridiculous half of 3 pt shooting to do it so hats off to them. It really should have been a Final Four game as nobody can convince me that UA, Wisc, Kentucky and Duke aren't the four best teams this year and the Cats should have had the 1 seed over Villanova.

This. Absolutely.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:55 am

Calipari is a good dude. http://sports.yahoo.com/video/wisconsin ... 38942.html

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:21 am

Wisconsin beat North Carolina, then Arizona and Kentucky... now play Duke.

If they win tomorrow night.... that is as impressive a run as I can think of (since '97) to win March Madness.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:23 am

I can't believe there are some on this board who will pull for Duke, especially after what happened in 2001. Wisconsin beat the Cats fairly with unbelievable shooting, the refs gave Coach K the championship in 2001. No way I will ever pull for Duke.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:33 am

I'll watch tomorrow night, but I'm not pulling for either of them.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:34 am

jsbowl16 wrote:I like watching Cauley-Stein walk off without shaking hands. He has as much class as I thought he had. Zero.

Not just him. Kentucky players = no class. Andrew Harrison uses racial slur towards Kaminsky and their fans riot. So glad they did not win.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... -kaminsky/

azthrillhouse · Post by **azthrillhouse** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:35 am

Pulling for mid-game NCAA investigation and vacating the entire 2014-2015 season for both teams.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:38 am

Fuck Duke

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:40 am

Irish27 wrote:I can't believe there are some on this board who will pull for Duke, especially after what happened in 2001. Wisconsin beat the Cats fairly with unbelievable shooting, the refs gave Coach K the championship in 2001. No way I will ever pull for Duke.

Yep.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:57 am

Irish27 wrote:I can't believe there are some on this board who will pull for Duke, especially after what happened in 2001. Wisconsin beat the Cats fairly with unbelievable shooting, the refs gave Coach K the championship in 2001. No way I will ever pull for Duke.

Not last year they didn't. Duke 2001 very much like Wisconsin 2014

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:57 am

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:59 am

I was at least 50% cleansed of my hatred of Duke in 2011. Then about another 10% in 2013. Until I we do that to Wisconsin, they are number two on the hatred list (to ASU of course)

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:00 am

I have to say this though. Dook really stepped up their defense towards the end of the year.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:19 am

Derrick Rose had a friend take the SAT for him. As a result, Memphis vacated all of the 38 wins from the 2007-2008 season. So why should we celebrate him like they want us to in that Powerade commercial?

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:36 am

Oops. Definitely didn't look and sound like he was saying it in jest.

cpt · Post by **cpt** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:41 am

If he would had exchanged "n----" with flopper, I would have been fine with it.

cats101 · Post by **cats101** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:56 am

So I'm assuming Lexington has burned down in flames?

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:06 pm

Is this a final in which we should root for . . .oh, I guess biblical plagues or something? Darkness and Frogs maybe?

Post by **UAdevil** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:46 pm

As painful as recent history has been with Wisconsin...gotta pull for the Badgers. Fucking Duke. Fuck K. Good day.

ghostwhitehorse · Post by **ghostwhitehorse** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:05 pm

UAdevil wrote:As painful as recent history has been with Wisconsin...gotta pull for the Badgers. Fucking Duke. Fuck K. Good day.

Still gonna root for Darkness, Frogs, and Arnold Vosloo.

BBQ wildcat · Post by **BBQ wildcat** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:39 pm

Fuck Dook and coach sheshevski. Go Wisky, beat them down.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:09 pm

Merkin wrote:Oops. Definitely didn't look and sound like he was saying it in jest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM9QkZ8cRL8

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:27 am

Wisconsin has knocked us out three times. I can watch this unfold and enjoy it without a rooting interest. Top two players. Youth vs.. experience. Should be good.

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:50 am

Why do we hate Duke? Just cause the rest of the college basketball world says we should? What have they ever done for us? Fuck'm all. Let them be miserable. I am pulling for Duke. I want a basketball school to win a basketball tourney.

yeah yeah 2001, but we should hate the refs. We have owned Duke ever since. Wisconsin has hurt us far more than Duke has (Bucky also beat us in 2009 at that stupid Hawaii tourney) And I like that Krzyzewski letting Sean Elliot crash at his house story. What did Bo Ryan do for Nic Wise during that world tourney?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:27 am

I'm not saying I like Wisky or UConn either particularly, as both Ryan and Jim Calhoun have always rubbed me the wrong way.

But K absolutely has made a science of gaming March Madness. The South Region was no less than a favor to the man, with Gonzaga Duke's toughest opponent in this road to the championship--in spite of the Blue Devils winning neither their conference nor conference tournament. The Blue Devils hate playing Arizona or in the West Region and, it could be argued, cleared higher seeds into other regions.

And I grudgingly respect what Bo Ryan has done in his only Division I coaching stop, in spite of Frank the Flopping Fraud. So for Duke to sneak in and scoop up a title a la UConn, especially after everything the Badgers have done this tournament, would take away a lot of significance and meaning from the season.

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:47 pm

That's mainly why I don't want Duke to win...they haven't earned this shit like Wisconsin has, Duke had a cakewalk to the title game. If we had the same path we'd be playing for the title too.

dirtbags · Post by **dirtbags** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:57 pm

ghostwhitehorse wrote:Still gonna root for Darkness, Frogs, and Arnold Vosloo.

yeah, i'll be rooting for a giant sinkhole to open up and swallow everything in and around lucas oil stadium tonight

Lute4God · Post by **Lute4God** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:13 pm

catgrad97 wrote: So for Duke to sneak in and scoop up a title a la UConn, especially after everything the Badgers have done this tournament, would take away a lot of significance and meaning from the season.

Agree totally. What has Duke done to deserve this? No doubt they have picked up their game to get this far. But Wisconsin has done all the heavy lifting. Go Badgers!

1stNGrant Frys · Post by **1stNGrant Frys** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:32 pm

catgrad97 wrote:I'm not saying I like Wisky or UConn either particularly, as both Ryan and Jim Calhoun have always rubbed me the wrong way.

But K absolutely has made a science of gaming March Madness. The South Region was no less than a favor to the man, with Gonzaga Duke's toughest opponent in this road to the championship--in spite of the Blue Devils winning neither their conference nor conference tournament. The Blue Devils hate playing Arizona or in the West Region and, it could be argued, cleared higher seeds into other regions.

And I grudgingly respect what Bo Ryan has done in his only Division I coaching stop, in spite of Frank the Flopping Fraud. So for Duke to sneak in and scoop up a title a la UConn, especially after everything the Badgers have done this tournament, would take away a lot of significance and meaning from the season.

Oh for sure Wisconsin deserves to win. And its a better story. But seriously, I'm more sore toward a team that has done more harm to the Cats than Duke has.

I just feverishly dislike the "hate Duke because everyone else does" bandwagon. That started with UNC, KU and Kentucky fans, like I want to be in league with them. I'd pick Duke over any of our "fellow" Pac-12 teams (except for Stanford and Cal, they are so inoffensive). I don't fault Coach K for being quite the genius, he can't control Dick Vitale.

If Duke wins the status quo continues. If Wisconsin wins thats another rising (previously stagnant) power for Arizona to contend with in reputation and in games.

Lute4God · Post by **Lute4God** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:48 pm

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/0 ... tail=email

Read down into the comments and there is a rich discussion of the value (or lack) of sports programs, group activities (like the dozens of "couch fires" in KY), Return on Investment in alumni giving to colleges that have good seasons, and etc.

Its a good time of year to wonder, what is all the fuss about?

Let's take this apart (4+ / 0-)
First, elenacarlena, I do agree with the following statement you made: You're talking lots of drunk college boys (and a few girls) who plan ahead for this, buying cheap used old couches.

The one point on which we may disagree is I do not believe that the students were drunk when they planned ahead and purchased the cheap, old couches. Perhaps you agree with me on this point.

I have been on a Big Ten conference campus during the day or two preceding the championship game. During that time I have witnessed national television media speak to students in privately rented houses concerning the planned activities following the game. Specifically, the national media wanted know the house residents plans (not all of whom are students) in the aftermath of the game since it is well known that they plan ahead for the fires, win or lose. You acknowledge this in your comment above. Do you think they will not burn the couches if they win? No? Well, then why wouldn't the media show up, win or lose? After all, the students made these plans well ahead of the game, right?

In some cases the news media suggested that the material to be burned should be combined with that from another nearby house. Once the suggestion had been made the news media personnel would check back later in the day to see if the plans to combine the combustible material had been agreed upon by the two or more houses.

The national news media updated a map they carried with them, including the approximate amount of combustible material, the location, and the approximate time a media camera crew would be on site. The times were released to the neighborhood residents with the notation that anyone who wanted to be involved in the news coverage should show up fifteen minutes prior to the estimated arrival time of the media. The data was not released on national news agency letterhead but rather on neighborhood handouts. Sometimes the households initiated the burning upon the arrival of the local media rather than the national media.

Advice distributed by campus police
I have read the advice provided by the campus police including:

- Do NOT use gasoline as an accelerant (within the last x years a student used gasoline as an accelerant for a couch fire and he was admitted to the ICU for severe second and third degree burns on his hand, arm and face)

- Any student or individual in possession of a Molotov cocktail will be arrested

- Any student or individual who is observed to be throwing a Molotov cocktail will be arrested

- Students/residents should move their vehicles to parking areas outside of the identified burn zones

- All material to be burned must be more than 30 feet from the nearest building

I may not "get" Kentucky but I have been on several larger American campuses following the wins and losses of national televised championship games. I have witnessed how the police departments coordinated with residents living near the campus concerning the post game celebrations. I have also witnessed the attempted coordination of national networks with the celebration or "protest" after losing the game.

Sometimes all goes according to plan. Occasionally the disruptions spread beyond the planned contained areas and that's when the problems begin.

You are right elenacarlena, I have not been present in Lexington after Kentucky lost a final four game, but it is difficult to imagine that it is much different from Big Ten campuses after national championship games. Please tell me how it is different since you claim that I don't get it. I welcome your input. Thanks!

If you plant ice you're gonna harvest wind.

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Lute4God · Post by **Lute4God** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:36 pm

Any thoughts on Cal's status as HOF coach with this apparently defensive letdown?

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ncaa- ... in-baders/

John Calipari’s hubris doomed Kentucky.

I’m convinced that deep down, Cal thought his team was invincible. He pretended all year that 40-0 didn’t matter and that Kentucky always had a ton of things to work on. But how else can you explain Kentucky’s players not even watching film on Wisconsin’s historically great offense? How can you explain Calipari not using the final 15 minutes of Kentucky’s open practice at Lucas Oil Stadium on Friday? Sure, those open practices are just for the fans, but why not even use that time to shoot free throws? I’m not pretending that 15 minutes of shooting practice would’ve changed Saturday’s outcome. But it wasn’t going to hurt Kentucky’s chances. There’s just no other way to interpret Cal ending that practice early than to assume he thought something along the lines of this: We don’t need to get used to the environment — the environment needs to get used to us.

In retrospect, this was Calipari’s attitude all year. Remember how every time he got in front of a microphone, he made the conversation about his “guys”? I’m just worried about MY GUYS. It doesn’t matter what the other team does because as long as MY GUYS bring effort, MY GUYS will win. I used to think it was his way of tightening Kentucky’s circle or showing how much he cared for his players, and both reasons could still be true.

The biggest reason I think this season is ultimately a failure is the sense that Calipari and Kentucky’s confidence prevented the team from reaching its goal. If Kentucky had done everything it could possibly do to prepare and Wisconsin had still won — as happened to Arizona in the Elite Eight — maybe it’s a different story. Maybe then, the Cats could just tip their caps, accept they were beaten by a better team, and look back fondly on the ride this season took them on. Instead, they’ll be haunted by what-ifs. What if the players had actually taken the time to learn Wisconsin’s tendencies? What if Cal had approached this game as if his team were the underdog? What if Cal had shown a single iota of respect for Wisconsin? If Kentucky treats Saturday’s game like more than a formality on the road to a championship, maybe it turns out differently.

The bolded was a historically unprecdented move by a coach in the FF.

I am getting pumped up for this finals. I was absolutely useless and crushed for almost a whole week. Smash the BlueDevils!

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:33 pm

Calipari gets so much hate, I think he's underrated. There should be no way to argue this year as anything other than a great job.

They got beat. It happens, usually more than once a year. As far as HOF, I'd be more worried about the vacated years.

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