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Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:35 pm
by CalStateTempe
loomer wrote:Best offensive team in KenPom history beats the best defensive team in KenPom history
Take note: At this level, offense is weighted as a better predictor of success vs defense.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:37 pm
by Longhorned
CalStateTempe wrote:
loomer wrote:Best offensive team in KenPom history beats the best defensive team in KenPom history
Take note: At this level, offense is weighted as a better predictor of success vs defense.
As you know, this is and has been clear.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:38 pm
by azcat49
Wisconsin didn't have to bury 10-12 three's and shoot 15-19 in the second half to win by 7. Just validates that we didn't lose that game, we just got beat by the really hot hand

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:41 pm
by CalStateTempe
I just hope Miller lets the talent play next year.

Sometimes I feel his system stifles offensive creativity. Don't get me wrong, I love his defense, it keeps us in games, but I just wish he would open it up a bit on the offensive side.

I'm not trying to be offensive with my post.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:42 pm
by gumby
Wisconsin, 1.23 points per possession and had 12 more rebounds. Earned it.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:44 pm
by gumby
CalStateTempe wrote:I just hope Miller lets the talent play next year.

Sometimes I feel his system stifles offensive creativity. Don't get me wrong, I love his defense, it keeps us in games, but I just wish he would open it up a bit on the offensive side.

I'm not trying to be offensive with my post.
Wisconsin runs that swing offense every year. He never opens it up. Prefers efficiency. Doubt Miller changes much. He's a KenPom guy. Values efficiency.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:48 pm
by Longhorned
Bo Ryan's offense is the epitome of a controlled, clock-eating offense. If a player innovates, he goes straight to the bench.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:05 pm
by SCCats
Lots of angst about how John "Roll the ball out there" Calipari coaches in game and manages games which, we all know, always was one of his strong suits.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:09 pm
by CalStateTempe
Fair enough on all points.

Ryan vs K. That will be a great coaching match-up. Hope the Kaminsky's can pull it off.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:13 pm
by FreeSpiritCat
CalStateTempe wrote:Fair enough on all points.

Ryan vs K. That will be a great coaching match-up. Hope the Kaminsky's can pull it off.
Kaminsky is the second best player on Wisky. Dekker was the one who made the difference against UK. And I would call him the best player of the tourney so far.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:04 pm
by rgdeuce
Dekker is tournament MVP for sure.

This is the first time in I will be rooting for duke in a game in 23 or 24 years. I want frank the tank to rot

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:13 pm
by ASUHATER!
rgdeuce wrote:Dekker is tournament MVP for sure.

This is the first time in I will be rooting for duke in a game in 23 or 24 years. I want frank the tank to rot
No reason to root for duke. One it's duke, two, it makes us look better if Wisconsin wins.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:42 pm
by elriop20
Can't help, but get a little envious of how outstanding Dukes freshies have performed this tournament.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:44 pm
by Olsondogg
Look, I get that people hate Wisconsin for what they did to us, and Kaminsky for being Laettner.

However, it is Duke. I mean, you are really gonna root for Dook?

Don't do it. Wisconsin is the team you want.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:23 am
by PieceOfMeat
not actively rooting for either team in the final, but it wouldn't exactly pain me to see puke lose.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:34 am
by pokinmik
Olsondogg wrote:Look, I get that people hate Wisconsin for what they did to us, and Kaminsky for being Laettner.

However, it is Duke. I mean, you are really gonna root for Dook?

Don't do it. Wisconsin is the team you want.
Yea fuck Duke.

Like we've said all along Wiscy, Kentucky, AZ should not have been on one side of the bracket and if Duke coasts to the championship game and squeaks by Wiscy I'm gonna be real pissed. If AZ was on the right side of the bracket we would've beaten Duke already or we would be discussing our game with them last night, no doubt in my mind.

Fuck Wisconsin too though, but they're the lesser of two evils by far.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:36 am
by jsbowl16
loomer wrote:Best offensive team in KenPom history beats the best defensive team in KenPom history
At the other end of the court the #55 adjd team beat the #5 adjo team.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:34 am
by cpt
I'm rooting for Duke. First time since 1991.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:40 am
by cpt
CatMG wrote:
Catintheheat wrote:
Alieberman wrote:Should be us
I don't think so. Not this year, maybe last year. Wisconsin deserves where they are.
They deserved it against the Cats. But it took a ridiculous half of 3 pt shooting to do it so hats off to them. It really should have been a Final Four game as nobody can convince me that UA, Wisc, Kentucky and Duke aren't the four best teams this year and the Cats should have had the 1 seed over Villanova.
This. Absolutely.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 6:55 am
by cpt

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:21 am
by Alieberman
Wisconsin beat North Carolina, then Arizona and Kentucky... now play Duke.

If they win tomorrow night.... that is as impressive a run as I can think of (since '97) to win March Madness.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:23 am
by Irish27
I can't believe there are some on this board who will pull for Duke, especially after what happened in 2001. Wisconsin beat the Cats fairly with unbelievable shooting, the refs gave Coach K the championship in 2001. No way I will ever pull for Duke.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:33 am
by azgreg
I'll watch tomorrow night, but I'm not pulling for either of them.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:34 am
by Irish27
jsbowl16 wrote:I like watching Cauley-Stein walk off without shaking hands. He has as much class as I thought he had. Zero.
Not just him. Kentucky players = no class. Andrew Harrison uses racial slur towards Kaminsky and their fans riot. So glad they did not win.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ear ... -kaminsky/

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:35 am
by azthrillhouse
Pulling for mid-game NCAA investigation and vacating the entire 2014-2015 season for both teams.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:38 am
by Chicat
Fuck Duke

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:40 am
by Merkin
Irish27 wrote:I can't believe there are some on this board who will pull for Duke, especially after what happened in 2001. Wisconsin beat the Cats fairly with unbelievable shooting, the refs gave Coach K the championship in 2001. No way I will ever pull for Duke.
Yep.

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Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:57 am
by cpt
Irish27 wrote:I can't believe there are some on this board who will pull for Duke, especially after what happened in 2001. Wisconsin beat the Cats fairly with unbelievable shooting, the refs gave Coach K the championship in 2001. No way I will ever pull for Duke.
Not last year they didn't. Duke 2001 very much like Wisconsin 2014

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:57 am
by azgreg
/rep

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:59 am
by cpt
I was at least 50% cleansed of my hatred of Duke in 2011. Then about another 10% in 2013. Until I we do that to Wisconsin, they are number two on the hatred list (to ASU of course)

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:00 am
by azgreg
I have to say this though. Dook really stepped up their defense towards the end of the year.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:19 am
by cpt
Derrick Rose had a friend take the SAT for him. As a result, Memphis vacated all of the 38 wins from the 2007-2008 season. So why should we celebrate him like they want us to in that Powerade commercial?

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:36 am
by Merkin
Oops. Definitely didn't look and sound like he was saying it in jest.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:41 am
by cpt
If he would had exchanged "n----" with flopper, I would have been fine with it.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:56 am
by cats101
So I'm assuming Lexington has burned down in flames?

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:06 pm
by ghostwhitehorse
Is this a final in which we should root for . . .oh, I guess biblical plagues or something? Darkness and Frogs maybe?

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:46 pm
by UAdevil
As painful as recent history has been with Wisconsin...gotta pull for the Badgers. Fucking Duke. Fuck K. Good day. :-)

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:05 pm
by ghostwhitehorse
UAdevil wrote:As painful as recent history has been with Wisconsin...gotta pull for the Badgers. Fucking Duke. Fuck K. Good day. :-)
Still gonna root for Darkness, Frogs, and Arnold Vosloo.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 4:39 pm
by BBQ wildcat
Fuck Dook and coach sheshevski. Go Wisky, beat them down.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:09 pm
by splitsecond
Merkin wrote:Oops. Definitely didn't look and sound like he was saying it in jest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM9QkZ8cRL8

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:27 am
by gumby
Wisconsin has knocked us out three times. I can watch this unfold and enjoy it without a rooting interest. Top two players. Youth vs.. experience. Should be good.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:50 am
by 1stNGrant Frys
Why do we hate Duke? Just cause the rest of the college basketball world says we should? What have they ever done for us? Fuck'm all. Let them be miserable. I am pulling for Duke. I want a basketball school to win a basketball tourney.

yeah yeah 2001, but we should hate the refs. We have owned Duke ever since. Wisconsin has hurt us far more than Duke has (Bucky also beat us in 2009 at that stupid Hawaii tourney) And I like that Krzyzewski letting Sean Elliot crash at his house story. What did Bo Ryan do for Nic Wise during that world tourney?

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:27 am
by catgrad97
I'm not saying I like Wisky or UConn either particularly, as both Ryan and Jim Calhoun have always rubbed me the wrong way.

But K absolutely has made a science of gaming March Madness. The South Region was no less than a favor to the man, with Gonzaga Duke's toughest opponent in this road to the championship--in spite of the Blue Devils winning neither their conference nor conference tournament. The Blue Devils hate playing Arizona or in the West Region and, it could be argued, cleared higher seeds into other regions.

And I grudgingly respect what Bo Ryan has done in his only Division I coaching stop, in spite of Frank the Flopping Fraud. So for Duke to sneak in and scoop up a title a la UConn, especially after everything the Badgers have done this tournament, would take away a lot of significance and meaning from the season.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:47 pm
by pokinmik
That's mainly why I don't want Duke to win...they haven't earned this shit like Wisconsin has, Duke had a cakewalk to the title game. If we had the same path we'd be playing for the title too.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:57 pm
by dirtbags
ghostwhitehorse wrote:Still gonna root for Darkness, Frogs, and Arnold Vosloo.
yeah, i'll be rooting for a giant sinkhole to open up and swallow everything in and around lucas oil stadium tonight

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:13 pm
by Lute4God
catgrad97 wrote: So for Duke to sneak in and scoop up a title a la UConn, especially after everything the Badgers have done this tournament, would take away a lot of significance and meaning from the season.

Agree totally. What has Duke done to deserve this? No doubt they have picked up their game to get this far. But Wisconsin has done all the heavy lifting. Go Badgers!

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:32 pm
by 1stNGrant Frys
catgrad97 wrote:I'm not saying I like Wisky or UConn either particularly, as both Ryan and Jim Calhoun have always rubbed me the wrong way.

But K absolutely has made a science of gaming March Madness. The South Region was no less than a favor to the man, with Gonzaga Duke's toughest opponent in this road to the championship--in spite of the Blue Devils winning neither their conference nor conference tournament. The Blue Devils hate playing Arizona or in the West Region and, it could be argued, cleared higher seeds into other regions.

And I grudgingly respect what Bo Ryan has done in his only Division I coaching stop, in spite of Frank the Flopping Fraud. So for Duke to sneak in and scoop up a title a la UConn, especially after everything the Badgers have done this tournament, would take away a lot of significance and meaning from the season.
Oh for sure Wisconsin deserves to win. And its a better story. But seriously, I'm more sore toward a team that has done more harm to the Cats than Duke has.

I just feverishly dislike the "hate Duke because everyone else does" bandwagon. That started with UNC, KU and Kentucky fans, like I want to be in league with them. I'd pick Duke over any of our "fellow" Pac-12 teams (except for Stanford and Cal, they are so inoffensive). I don't fault Coach K for being quite the genius, he can't control Dick Vitale.

If Duke wins the status quo continues. If Wisconsin wins thats another rising (previously stagnant) power for Arizona to contend with in reputation and in games.

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 2:48 pm
by Lute4God
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/0 ... tail=email

Read down into the comments and there is a rich discussion of the value (or lack) of sports programs, group activities (like the dozens of "couch fires" in KY), Return on Investment in alumni giving to colleges that have good seasons, and etc.

Its a good time of year to wonder, what is all the fuss about?

Let's take this apart (4+ / 0-)
First, elenacarlena, I do agree with the following statement you made: You're talking lots of drunk college boys (and a few girls) who plan ahead for this, buying cheap used old couches.

The one point on which we may disagree is I do not believe that the students were drunk when they planned ahead and purchased the cheap, old couches. Perhaps you agree with me on this point.

I have been on a Big Ten conference campus during the day or two preceding the championship game. During that time I have witnessed national television media speak to students in privately rented houses concerning the planned activities following the game. Specifically, the national media wanted know the house residents plans (not all of whom are students) in the aftermath of the game since it is well known that they plan ahead for the fires, win or lose. You acknowledge this in your comment above. Do you think they will not burn the couches if they win? No? Well, then why wouldn't the media show up, win or lose? After all, the students made these plans well ahead of the game, right?

In some cases the news media suggested that the material to be burned should be combined with that from another nearby house. Once the suggestion had been made the news media personnel would check back later in the day to see if the plans to combine the combustible material had been agreed upon by the two or more houses.

The national news media updated a map they carried with them, including the approximate amount of combustible material, the location, and the approximate time a media camera crew would be on site. The times were released to the neighborhood residents with the notation that anyone who wanted to be involved in the news coverage should show up fifteen minutes prior to the estimated arrival time of the media. The data was not released on national news agency letterhead but rather on neighborhood handouts. Sometimes the households initiated the burning upon the arrival of the local media rather than the national media.

Advice distributed by campus police
I have read the advice provided by the campus police including:

- Do NOT use gasoline as an accelerant (within the last x years a student used gasoline as an accelerant for a couch fire and he was admitted to the ICU for severe second and third degree burns on his hand, arm and face)

- Any student or individual in possession of a Molotov cocktail will be arrested

- Any student or individual who is observed to be throwing a Molotov cocktail will be arrested

- Students/residents should move their vehicles to parking areas outside of the identified burn zones

- All material to be burned must be more than 30 feet from the nearest building

I may not "get" Kentucky but I have been on several larger American campuses following the wins and losses of national televised championship games. I have witnessed how the police departments coordinated with residents living near the campus concerning the post game celebrations. I have also witnessed the attempted coordination of national networks with the celebration or "protest" after losing the game.

Sometimes all goes according to plan. Occasionally the disruptions spread beyond the planned contained areas and that's when the problems begin.

You are right elenacarlena, I have not been present in Lexington after Kentucky lost a final four game, but it is difficult to imagine that it is much different from Big Ten campuses after national championship games. Please tell me how it is different since you claim that I don't get it. I welcome your input. Thanks!

If you plant ice you're gonna harvest wind.

by august88 on Mon Apr 06, 2015 at 01:00:12 AM PDT

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:36 pm
by Lute4God
Any thoughts on Cal's status as HOF coach with this apparently defensive letdown?

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ncaa- ... in-baders/
John Calipari’s hubris doomed Kentucky.

I’m convinced that deep down, Cal thought his team was invincible. He pretended all year that 40-0 didn’t matter and that Kentucky always had a ton of things to work on. But how else can you explain Kentucky’s players not even watching film on Wisconsin’s historically great offense? How can you explain Calipari not using the final 15 minutes of Kentucky’s open practice at Lucas Oil Stadium on Friday? Sure, those open practices are just for the fans, but why not even use that time to shoot free throws? I’m not pretending that 15 minutes of shooting practice would’ve changed Saturday’s outcome. But it wasn’t going to hurt Kentucky’s chances. There’s just no other way to interpret Cal ending that practice early than to assume he thought something along the lines of this: We don’t need to get used to the environment — the environment needs to get used to us.

In retrospect, this was Calipari’s attitude all year. Remember how every time he got in front of a microphone, he made the conversation about his “guys”? I’m just worried about MY GUYS. It doesn’t matter what the other team does because as long as MY GUYS bring effort, MY GUYS will win. I used to think it was his way of tightening Kentucky’s circle or showing how much he cared for his players, and both reasons could still be true.

The biggest reason I think this season is ultimately a failure is the sense that Calipari and Kentucky’s confidence prevented the team from reaching its goal. If Kentucky had done everything it could possibly do to prepare and Wisconsin had still won — as happened to Arizona in the Elite Eight — maybe it’s a different story. Maybe then, the Cats could just tip their caps, accept they were beaten by a better team, and look back fondly on the ride this season took them on. Instead, they’ll be haunted by what-ifs. What if the players had actually taken the time to learn Wisconsin’s tendencies? What if Cal had approached this game as if his team were the underdog? What if Cal had shown a single iota of respect for Wisconsin? If Kentucky treats Saturday’s game like more than a formality on the road to a championship, maybe it turns out differently.
The bolded was a historically unprecdented move by a coach in the FF.


I am getting pumped up for this finals. I was absolutely useless and crushed for almost a whole week. Smash the BlueDevils!

Re: NCAA Tourney Non Arizona game thread

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:33 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Calipari gets so much hate, I think he's underrated. There should be no way to argue this year as anything other than a great job.

They got beat. It happens, usually more than once a year. As far as HOF, I'd be more worried about the vacated years.