Bear Down Wildcats

Salty wrote:

Harvey Specter wrote:

azcat34 wrote:I showed this thread to a co-worker who went to Utah and he is laughing his ass off at Salty's posts.

Why do you speak so confidently about stuff you know nothing about man?

Because judging from his posts he does not know shit about much of anything... He can't keep his mouth shut... And he must have taken a class where he was told that it is important to be confident when speaking.

But he knows the lay of the land more than a Utah alumnus....

So guess Urban's dream season during his 2 year stint, and Whittingham's one great season before joining the PAC are what he claims is superior to their historical achievements in BB. But hey, they both happened since he got his driver's license, which is all that matters in Salty's world.

Sigh.

Ok. Fine. Utah is a mighty basketball school. How can Arizona possibly compete with them? I mean, they went to the Final Four the same number of times Arizona has. And have the same number of titles. And have a larger arena.

I can't think of a single reason why anyone, anywhere, would ever even think to choose a school over mighty Utah. Rumor has it that the players of the Utah Jazz are currently trying to figure out ways around their ineligibility just to play for the mighty, powerful, Utes.

Did you actually read that shit you typed before hitting the submit button?

Salty moving the goal posts again, I never said Arizona wouldn't be able to compete with Utah.

All I said was you were full of it talking about Utah when you clearly had no idea what you were talking about.

Salty wrote:
Utah is, without a shadow of a doubt, a football school.

Salty wrote:
Labeling every school out there as a football or basketball school is a waste of time.

Don't ever stop posting.

Haha nice, Gumby. This guy is a clown.

coaching hire grades:

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... hing-hires

Salty wrote:Well, if they are a basketball school, they're a lousy one. Is Oregon State a basketball school?

Yes. Google "Ralph Miller" and "Slats Gill".

KaibabKat wrote:From: The ESPN/Sagarin All-Time Rankings (72 Years)
"ESPN College Basketball Encyclopedia" (October 2009)

2 UCLA
19 Utah
25 USC
30 Stanford
34 California
35 Washington
40 Oregon State
49 Arizona
50 Oregon
51 Colorado
70 Washington State
94 Tempe Normal

I thought UA was too low then, and certainly think they are too low now.

Salty wrote:

azcat49 wrote:Then you,must have missed the 70's straight through the 90's ending with Majerus.

Yeah, he did well in the WAC, got to the Final Four, and a few Elite Eights.

That's the coach. Not the program.

A football or basketball school transcends one coach. For example, Boise State is a "football" school because their success has been sustained over a relatively long period of time regardless of who was coach. Same could be said for Louisville basketball.

Labeling every school out there as a football or basketball school is a waste of time. There are probably 10 programs in the country that are legitimately basketball only programs. Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, and North Carolina come to mind. As well as programs which don't have football programs, and so are basketball schools by default, like Villanova, Xavier, and Gonzaga. Most other schools typically spend the most energy and money on their football programs because football is far more lucrative and popular.

Getting upset that basketball isn't as popular as football is ridiculous. I see no reason as to why a school can't have both a successful basketball and football team. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Hell, Arizona had very good football and basketball teams this very year!

As usual, you are completely missing the point, either by your own ignorance, or on-purpose in order to satisfy your obsessive need to argue.

Most schools gravitate towards one major sport over the other, largely on the basis of historical success and tradition, but often other factors only somewhat related to that, and not necessarily having met a minimum threshold of success either, like Final Fours or Bowl games.

It's not pointless, it's observational. There are 351 Division I Basketball programs, and 244 Football programs at the FBS or FCS level. No one is saying it HAS to be "one or the other"; Being slanted towards one sport doesn't always or necessarily preclude being successful in the other, but it goes directly to knowing the expectations for each program, and the relative pressure that flows from it. Relying only on recent events is not the most accurate indicator for that either, which is why you are all wet on Utah.

So, like I said before, stop speaking in absolutes, especially when there's a good chance others on the board will a.) know more than you about certain topics, and b.) will likely respond. Learn "IMO".

Harvey Specter wrote:

azcat34 wrote:I showed this thread to a co-worker who went to Utah and he is laughing his ass off at Salty's posts.

Why do you speak so confidently about stuff you know nothing about man?

Because judging from his posts he does not know shit about much of anything... He can't keep his mouth shut... And he must have taken a class where he was told that it is important to be confident when speaking.

But he knows the lay of the land more than a Utah alumnus....

So guess Urban's dream season during his 2 year stint, and Whittingham's one great season before joining the PAC are what he claims is superior to their historical achievements in BB. But hey, they both happened since he got his driver's license, which is all that matters in Salty's world.

If you believe him, several classes in fact. That doesn't wholly explain his myopia though.

azcat34 wrote:Salty moving the goal posts again, I never said Arizona wouldn't be able to compete with Utah.

All I said was you were full of it talking about Utah when you clearly had no idea what you were talking about.

Correct. It's what he does, and what it is.

the real dill wrote:coaching hire grades:

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/20 ... hing-hires

Mostly agree with that, although it isn't too hard to label the Texas and Miss St hires homeruns, or to raise questions about the St. John's or DePaul hires.

But this bit about Bobby Hurley cracks me up:

But is he ready for a big-time coaching job?

ASU is a big-time coaching job? Since when? He also said fans will have to wait ... what fans? The one's who donated a can of beans for a free ticket?

You know, men just don't go by the name "Slats" much any more, and the world is worse off for it.

Coop Cat wrote:

I'm sure Anthony Grant would still be available.

I'm hearing Sean Miller. Who's on the Flight Tracker?

Go Archie!

Archie at Florida would be awesome. I feel like he would kill it there.

Billy Donovan to OKC talk is heating up again. "Formal discussions."

That is a BIG domino if it falls.

Archie! Archie! Archie!

Man I would LOVE to see Archie at FL schooling the SEC. It would even better if we played them regularly. I know the brothers don't want to play each other but if they are both top 15 programs then it would only help both of them with tourney seeding.

Jefe wrote:Archie! Archie! Archie!

My money is on Capel

If Donovan goes won't this impact the USA both he and Miller coach and if so how ?

azcat49 wrote:If Donovan goes won't this impact the USA both he and Miller coach and if so how ?

Scheer was on 1290 this afternoon and he thinks Donovan will have to step down and there is a good chance Miller would get the head coaching job.

FLA is gonna really miss Donovan if this happens. He won NCs at a football school. Not easy to do.

UAEebs86 wrote:

azcat49 wrote:If Donovan goes won't this impact the USA both he and Miller coach and if so how ?

Scheer was on 1290 this afternoon and he thinks Donovan will have to step down and there is a good chance Miller would get the head coaching job.

Wow

Miller leading USA basketball would be awesome.

the real dill wrote:

Jefe wrote:Archie! Archie! Archie!

My money is on Capel

As with all things we will see what happens, but I can't imagine what it would be like for Florida basketball fan to go from Donovan to Capel.

UAEebs86 wrote:

azcat49 wrote:If Donovan goes won't this impact the USA both he and Miller coach and if so how ?

Scheer was on 1290 this afternoon and he thinks Donovan will have to step down and there is a good chance Miller would get the head coaching job.

Isn't USA's new training facility supposed to be at ASU? Miller coaching team USA at ASU would be really be a fun demonstration of superiority.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Isn't USA's new training facility supposed to be at ASU? Miller coaching team USA at ASU would be really be a fun demonstration of superiority.

That was the plan

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/ ... f887a.html

http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/re ... /15114029/

But it died apparently

http://kjzz.org/content/88248/plans-die ... town-tempe

Bring it down South!

Two names mentioned most often that I have read to replace Donovan are Archie Miller and Chris Mack.....interesting.

Well, it had to happen sooner or later. Multiple NBA teams have tried to lure BD, and this is arguably the best opportunity he's had. Even if he fails, he'll be young enough to come back to succeed K at Duke or Roy at UNC or Izzo at MSU. Donovan and Stevens will eventually coach college teams again. You can count on it.

Beachcat97 wrote: Donovan and Stevens will eventually coach college teams again. You can count on it.

Just reading where the last 2 under age 50 coaches to take multiple teams to the Final Four are:

Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan.

Forgot who wrote it, but he was lamenting the poor condition of the future of the college game. Average age of the Final Four coaches this year was 63.

Merkin wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote: Donovan and Stevens will eventually coach college teams again. You can count on it.

Just reading where the last 2 under age 50 coaches to take multiple teams to the Final Four are:

Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan.

Forgot who wrote it, but he was lamenting the poor condition of the future of the college game. Average age of the Final Four coaches this year was 63.

I can think of a young coach who's been knocking on the door for a bit who could take the reins.

Miller doesn't strike me as an NBA guy.

Jefe wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:Isn't USA's new training facility supposed to be at ASU? Miller coaching team USA at ASU would be really be a fun demonstration of superiority.

That was the plan

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/local/ ... f887a.html

http://www.azcentral.com/story/money/re ... /15114029/

But it died apparently

http://kjzz.org/content/88248/plans-die ... town-tempe

Bring it down South!

They should leave it in Tempe. I can't think of a better metaphor for the state of state basketball than Sean Miller running Team USA from ASU's facilities.

Coop Cat wrote:Two names mentioned most often that I have read to replace Donovan are Archie Miller and Chris Mack.....interesting.

for selfish reasons, i hope arch doesn't end up at florida. would much rather see him land in the acc.

Great hire IMO

Coop Cat wrote:

Now that's a great hire for ISU.

Coop Cat wrote:

I wonder how that will work out. It seems that coaches in waiting often get tired of waiting and find other jobs.

Hopkins is just a younger version of Bill Guthridge or Jimmy Anderson.

Good! I want Wisky to just fade away like Illinois did.

Barry Alvarez drives another coach out of Madison. Here's to another one of his underwhelming coaching searches. Maybe he'll coach the Badgers in the tournament if they make it next year.

az91 wrote:

Frybry02 wrote:

Main Event wrote:

Good for Howland. Talk about a no pressure job.

For what it is worth, Hansen does not seem to think it will work out for him.

Gary Parrish disagrees.