Re: Lonzo Ball
Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:24 am
You keep saying that. What has he done that could be comparative to what Lavar is doing?now it looks like the apple didn't fall far from the tree
If he's at Arizona last season, you guys probably win a national title, so it does for your narrative pretty good.Beachcat97 wrote:Said it before, here goes again: I'm so glad that AZ dodged the Ball bullet. Their most talented son got them a ton of attention and a 3rd place conference finish. Not exactly historic.
Lavar sounds more and more like Trump every time he speaks: thin-skinned, pompous, attention-seeking, entirely unaware of how others see him. And toxic to any environment he inhabits.
MrBug708 wrote:If he's at Arizona last season, you guys probably win a national title, so it does for your narrative pretty good.Beachcat97 wrote:Said it before, here goes again: I'm so glad that AZ dodged the Ball bullet. Their most talented son got them a ton of attention and a 3rd place conference finish. Not exactly historic.
Lavar sounds more and more like Trump every time he speaks: thin-skinned, pompous, attention-seeking, entirely unaware of how others see him. And toxic to any environment he inhabits.
As I've said before, I respect you and value your opinion Bug. Ok, maybe I'm wrong but where has this grown but young man proved otherwise? Where has he actually stood up for himself and either respectfully disagreed with Daddy? Or said something humble?MrBug708 wrote:You keep saying that. What has he done that could be comparative to what Lavar is doing?now it looks like the apple didn't fall far from the tree
BC, for someone who just went through a season ban, bringing up politics (which seriously hurt this board) isn't going to endear you to a lot here.....I'm over here in Cambodia for a few days R&R and I can't even escape the crapstorm that is our country on both sides of the aisle....please keep your political points to the proper threads.....Beachcat97 wrote:......Lavar sounds more and more like Trump every time he speaks: thin-skinned, pompous, attention-seeking, entirely unaware of how others see him. And toxic to any environment he inhabits.
He's only 21. Just sayin that he's got the skill set. His head might be too much into alpha dog scorer mode.spiff said: Ehh, I've never been blown away. 1.72 assist to turnover, only 4.8 apg in 28.7 mpg last year. There's nothing that says he has to be the guy at PG. I think he would benefit from being next to Ball. He took 14 shots per game against 5 assists.
George is a FA. If I was the Lakers GM, plan A if I'm talking about trading the pick would be to sign George as a FA, then try to package Ingram, Randle or Mozgov with the pick for a second star.Puerco wrote:He's only 21. Just sayin that he's got the skill set. His head might be too much into alpha dog scorer mode.spiff said: Ehh, I've never been blown away. 1.72 assist to turnover, only 4.8 apg in 28.7 mpg last year. There's nothing that says he has to be the guy at PG. I think he would benefit from being next to Ball. He took 14 shots per game against 5 assists.
Co-exist with Ball? You're probably right, but I think the Lukers could do better by trading either Russell or the pick. I think they'd get more value out of trading the pick, so I'd keep Russell and trade for a useful veteran. Don't know if they could get George for just that pick...
You sure about George?Spaceman Spiff wrote:George is a FA. If I was the Lakers GM, plan A if I'm talking about trading the pick would be to sign George as a FA, then try to package Ingram, Randle or Mozgov with the pick for a second star.Puerco wrote:He's only 21. Just sayin that he's got the skill set. His head might be too much into alpha dog scorer mode.spiff said: Ehh, I've never been blown away. 1.72 assist to turnover, only 4.8 apg in 28.7 mpg last year. There's nothing that says he has to be the guy at PG. I think he would benefit from being next to Ball. He took 14 shots per game against 5 assists.
Co-exist with Ball? You're probably right, but I think the Lukers could do better by trading either Russell or the pick. I think they'd get more value out of trading the pick, so I'd keep Russell and trade for a useful veteran. Don't know if they could get George for just that pick...
Otherwise, stay pat, pick Ball, try to get George as a FA, and roll out D'Lo/Ball with George/Randle/Mozgov up front and Clarkson and Nance off the bench. That's a legit playoff team with a lot of young guys.
Magic Johnson should work on giving Paul George more than a wink now that his Los Angeles Lakers have the No. 2 pick in the 2017 NBA draft.
George is originally from the Los Angeles area, can become a free agent in 2018 and is rumored to be dreaming about coming home to be a Laker. On April 21, talk show host Jimmy Kimmel asked Johnson what he would do if he saw George on vacation in Los Angeles. In a light form of NBA tampering, the Los Angeles Lakers great and new president of basketball operations winked several times while offering his flirtatious answer about the Indiana Pacers star.
Yah. I don't know if I'd trade #2 for George this year knowing I could sign him next year for free if all the rumors are true.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Damn, I thought George was a FA this year.
Do I have to pay $495 for that?rgdeuce wrote:If getting Lonzo as a freshman and winning a natty was guaranteed, contingent on Lavar grabbing someone from this forum's johnson and holding it for 20 seconds while the poster held the protoype for Lonzo's first sneaker while Lavar pitched the Big Baller Brand, who here would man up and take one for the team? We're gonna find Out real quick who is a ride or die Arizona fan
Ah, nope. One natty's enough for me, thanks.rgdeuce wrote:If getting Lonzo as a freshman and winning a natty was guaranteed, contingent on Lavar grabbing someone from this forum's johnson and holding it for 20 seconds while the poster held the protoype for Lonzo's first sneaker while Lavar pitched the Big Baller Brand, who here would man up and take one for the team? We're gonna find Out real quick who is a ride or die Arizona fan
Er, innocent until proven guilty? Why should anyone have to point out evidence to you in order to refute your opinion, which is based on no evidence? You're the one who seems to be conflicted with strong opinions, so why don't you hunt for evidence yourself?Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Still waiting for the Lonzo Ball defenders to point out material evidence that he is 'such a great kid' and not an asshat like his Dad......sincerely, I would love to see this as I originally thought he was ok. Otherwise I stick by my desire to see him fail and/or underperform in the league.
Of course I would be conflicted if he ends up with the Lakers as I obviously love Luke Walton!
Did anyone else see Reggie Miller's comments about him expecting the kid to have a big target on his back from NBA players due to Daddy?
Ending world hunger and curing cancer would be awesome.....I agree with you on that.MrBug708 wrote:"material evidence" yet you've provided none that he is like his dad. Lonzo isn't going on TV shows and repeating what his dad is saying. He's not the one out there pimping the shoe on every major market and trying to start fights with NBA players.
I mean, he hasn't cured cancer or ended world hunger. It seems like that is what you are looking for.
Last comment on Lonzo because I really don't care that much about him and am wasting too much time talking about it....I think I said it "looks" (i.e. appears) that he's like his Daddy Asshat because I hadn't seen anything contrary....then you and others jumped in saying he was such a great kid, etc.MrBug708 wrote:Why, in your world, do both of them have to either be great people or terrible people? Why can't one be awful and the other good?
I'd rather be talking about my own balls than Bruin Balls but so damned happy Rawle is coming back I'll comment one last time on this.MrBug708 wrote:Looks implied evidence, which is what you were being asked to provide. Sure he could end up like his dad, but that's different than saying he is junior asshat. I dont think people would be surprised if he does end up that way because he is the son, but there is literally nothing that implies that Lonzo looks like he's like his dad. Lonzo doesn't say more than 5 words on his comments, which is literally the exact opposite of Lavar. That pure lack of self hype by Lonzo should be evidence enough that he's different than his dad
Me too but I think the odds on this are extremely low (freezing Dad out). As for being a great guy, I'd be happy if he isn't a complete dbag as with a Dad like Lavar, being a much hyped kid hoops star, and soon to be NBA multi-millionaire it will take a miracle for him to be a great guy IMHO.Puerco wrote:Personally, I hope Lonzo is a great guy and ends up being tremendously successful. But only if he freezes his dad out of the profits.
Why I have no problems with Lavar disrespecting her like that. If some bird without children made subtle accusations about me being a terrible or abusive parent, I probably would have said much worse than "stay in your lane." There are something like 20 million children in the United States living in a home without a father present. That is the case for more than half of the black children in the U.S., and that is a big issue with that demographic in a country that sets up black fathers to not be there. He's over the top, but at least he was there for them and spent countless hours with them and was at all their games. And yes, time in the gym DOES mean a hell of a lot to a kid who loves the game. My dad was an outstanding father, but I'd be lying if I said I did not wish he spent more time playing catch or playing a game of 21 with me. Those were the times that meant the most to me.MrBug708 wrote:She basically called him an abusive parent
But what if you are a shitty and abusive parent and deserve the criticism? Just because someone is saying those things about someone doesn't mean it isn't sometimes warranted. And nice sexist term btw.rgdeuce wrote:Why I have no problems with Lavar disrespecting her like that. If some bird without children made subtle accusations about me being a terrible or abusive parent, I probably would have said much worse than "stay in your lane." There are something like 20 million children in the United States living in a home without a father present. That is the case for more than half of the black children in the U.S., and that is a big issue with that demographic in a country that sets up black fathers to not be there. He's over the top, but at least he was there for them and spent countless hours with them and was at all their games. And yes, time in the gym DOES mean a hell of a lot to a kid who loves the game. My dad was an outstanding father, but I'd be lying if I said I did not wish he spent more time playing catch or playing a game of 21 with me. Those were the times that meant the most to me.MrBug708 wrote:She basically called him an abusive parent
I know you are a cowherd diehard but the point she was trying to make was making your kids play sports at 6 whether they want to or not, is abusive.ASUHATER! wrote:But what if you are a shitty and abusive parent and deserve the criticism? Just because someone is saying those things about someone doesn't mean it isn't sometimes warranted. And nice sexist term btw.rgdeuce wrote:Why I have no problems with Lavar disrespecting her like that. If some bird without children made subtle accusations about me being a terrible or abusive parent, I probably would have said much worse than "stay in your lane." There are something like 20 million children in the United States living in a home without a father present. That is the case for more than half of the black children in the U.S., and that is a big issue with that demographic in a country that sets up black fathers to not be there. He's over the top, but at least he was there for them and spent countless hours with them and was at all their games. And yes, time in the gym DOES mean a hell of a lot to a kid who loves the game. My dad was an outstanding father, but I'd be lying if I said I did not wish he spent more time playing catch or playing a game of 21 with me. Those were the times that meant the most to me.MrBug708 wrote:She basically called him an abusive parent
She have evidence for her assertions? And bird is sexist now?ASUHATER! wrote:But what if you are a shitty and abusive parent and deserve the criticism? Just because someone is saying those things about someone doesn't mean it isn't sometimes warranted. And nice sexist term btw.rgdeuce wrote:Why I have no problems with Lavar disrespecting her like that. If some bird without children made subtle accusations about me being a terrible or abusive parent, I probably would have said much worse than "stay in your lane." There are something like 20 million children in the United States living in a home without a father present. That is the case for more than half of the black children in the U.S., and that is a big issue with that demographic in a country that sets up black fathers to not be there. He's over the top, but at least he was there for them and spent countless hours with them and was at all their games. And yes, time in the gym DOES mean a hell of a lot to a kid who loves the game. My dad was an outstanding father, but I'd be lying if I said I did not wish he spent more time playing catch or playing a game of 21 with me. Those were the times that meant the most to me.MrBug708 wrote:She basically called him an abusive parent
Do you think Lavar Ball is going to mediate his response because he thinks he is a s****y and abusive parent?ASUHATER! wrote:But what if you are a shitty and abusive parent and deserve the criticism? Just because someone is saying those things about someone doesn't mean it isn't sometimes warranted. And nice sexist term btw.rgdeuce wrote:Why I have no problems with Lavar disrespecting her like that. If some bird without children made subtle accusations about me being a terrible or abusive parent, I probably would have said much worse than "stay in your lane." There are something like 20 million children in the United States living in a home without a father present. That is the case for more than half of the black children in the U.S., and that is a big issue with that demographic in a country that sets up black fathers to not be there. He's over the top, but at least he was there for them and spent countless hours with them and was at all their games. And yes, time in the gym DOES mean a hell of a lot to a kid who loves the game. My dad was an outstanding father, but I'd be lying if I said I did not wish he spent more time playing catch or playing a game of 21 with me. Those were the times that meant the most to me.MrBug708 wrote:She basically called him an abusive parent
Yeah I don't buy the sexism thing one bit. It's obvious his treatment of her was due to her words and not due to her gender. With that being said what did she say specifically that gives you the impression she played an aggressive black boogeyman card? I didn't see her whole segment, but the clip that I saw on twitter definitely had zero racial undertones.rgdeuce wrote:She have evidence for her assertions? And bird is sexist now?ASUHATER! wrote:But what if you are a shitty and abusive parent and deserve the criticism? Just because someone is saying those things about someone doesn't mean it isn't sometimes warranted. And nice sexist term btw.rgdeuce wrote:Why I have no problems with Lavar disrespecting her like that. If some bird without children made subtle accusations about me being a terrible or abusive parent, I probably would have said much worse than "stay in your lane." There are something like 20 million children in the United States living in a home without a father present. That is the case for more than half of the black children in the U.S., and that is a big issue with that demographic in a country that sets up black fathers to not be there. He's over the top, but at least he was there for them and spent countless hours with them and was at all their games. And yes, time in the gym DOES mean a hell of a lot to a kid who loves the game. My dad was an outstanding father, but I'd be lying if I said I did not wish he spent more time playing catch or playing a game of 21 with me. Those were the times that meant the most to me.MrBug708 wrote:She basically called him an abusive parent
And this isnt a direct attack at you, but I think it's nuts that people are up in arms about the sexism in all this and are completely ignoring the racial undertones. She played that "big bad scary and aggressive black boogeyman card" so well.
Appreciate the takes, but these two things do not align.rgdeuce wrote:- Her "Are you threatening me?" after Lavar said "If you act like that, something is coming" = Hes black, so it must be a threat, he's probably going to get on the phone with his goons after this and shoot up my house. Clearly "something is coming" could not merely be him explaining the cold shoulder and response he gave her moments before.
- Misconstruing "stay in your lane" as a "know your role woman/get back in the kitchen" when that phrase has always meant mind your business/dont veer into my lane (personal business)/stop talking about things you have no clue about/etc. If there was any confusion, check the context.
It is surprising, because logic and reason are hallmarks of Lavar Ball's life plan.MrBug708 wrote:Why I know it's all Lakers, you think Lavar would be intrigued by having Lonzo as #1. It's a pretty rarified group to be apart of it
Damn Spiff, I had hoped to stop posting in this thread or even giving anyone but my own Balls anymore attention BUT Damn, that was too hilarious! BTFD.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It is surprising, because logic and reason are hallmarks of Lavar Ball's life plan.MrBug708 wrote:Why I know it's all Lakers, you think Lavar would be intrigued by having Lonzo as #1. It's a pretty rarified group to be apart of it