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The rumor was definitely real. Tho that is a different thing from the $$$ being real. From day 1 I have wondered if Lloyd would let Love come back. The money is one thing, but you have to have the ok of the head coach as well. If you believe the messaging on why Ballo was cut loose (“more seasons than 1”), unless you think a reclassed Sanon is a 1&D, the same holds here.
Going into the end of the season Lloyd was definitely under the impression that Caleb Love was done with college basketball no matter what, hence the timing of Sanon's commitment on March 20th. Since the season ended though that stance changed. Love was still going to go through the process no matter what, but the door was definitely more than open for him return, especially with the $$$ offer supposedly on the table for him. Sanon is a 1&D though if he is starting, hence the rumors of him backing off his commitment if Love were to return. I guess it's not impossible that his camp decides he can play one year as a weapon off the bench and go from there, but there's definitely another school or 30 out there that could offer him starter minutes and a whole lot of shots immediately. We'll see soon enough. That Love decision is a week or so away.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:31 amThe rumor was definitely real. Tho that is a different thing from the $$$ being real. From day 1 I have wondered if Lloyd would let Love come back. The money is one thing, but you have to have the ok of the head coach as well. If you believe the messaging on why Ballo was cut loose (“more seasons than 1”), unless you think a reclassed Sanon is a 1&D, the same holds here.
As much as I am ready to move on from Love, if you give me the choice of 1 season of Love vs 1 season of Sanon, I am choosing the former. When the person I trust most in the world tells me that Sanon is a “poor man’s Caleb Love” I listen. Plus, Love was my favorite dude in an Arizona uniform this past season. When he is good Caleb Love he is really fun for me to watch.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:21 amGoing into the end of the season Lloyd was definitely under the impression that Caleb Love was done with college basketball no matter what, hence the timing of Sanon's commitment on March 20th. Since the season ended though that stance changed. Love was still going to go through the process no matter what, but the door was definitely more than open for him return, especially with the $$$ offer supposedly on the table for him. Sanon is a 1&D though if he is starting, hence the rumors of him backing off his commitment if Love were to return. I guess it's not impossible that his camp decides he can play one year as a weapon off the bench and go from there, but there's definitely another school or 30 out there that could offer him starter minutes and a whole lot of shots immediately. We'll see soon enough. That Love decision is a week or so away.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:31 amThe rumor was definitely real. Tho that is a different thing from the $$$ being real. From day 1 I have wondered if Lloyd would let Love come back. The money is one thing, but you have to have the ok of the head coach as well. If you believe the messaging on why Ballo was cut loose (“more seasons than 1”), unless you think a reclassed Sanon is a 1&D, the same holds here.
Yeah rumor was 100% out there. I asked Scheer and Wing if they heard about it. Then saw Wing post it here.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:31 amThe rumor was definitely real. Tho that is a different thing from the $$$ being real. From day 1 I have wondered if Lloyd would let Love come back. The money is one thing, but you have to have the ok of the head coach as well. If you believe the messaging on why Ballo was cut loose (“more seasons than 1”), unless you think a reclassed Sanon is a 1&D, the same holds here.
I would rather have another season of Love than one of Sanon. We're talking about a guy who'd be in his 5th year of college basketball, who has already played in Lloyd's system for a year. I know Love's game needs work and that he takes a number of ill-advised shots, but he's an excellent teammate and competitor. He'd be a strong, positive presence on next year's team, especially with so many new guys.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:50 amAs much as I am ready to move on from Love, if you give me the choice of 1 season of Love vs 1 season of Sanon, I am choosing the former. When the person I trust most in the world tells me that Sanon is a “poor man’s Caleb Love” I listen. Plus, Love was my favorite dude in an Arizona uniform this past season. When he is good Caleb Love he is really fun for me to watch.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:21 amGoing into the end of the season Lloyd was definitely under the impression that Caleb Love was done with college basketball no matter what, hence the timing of Sanon's commitment on March 20th. Since the season ended though that stance changed. Love was still going to go through the process no matter what, but the door was definitely more than open for him return, especially with the $$$ offer supposedly on the table for him. Sanon is a 1&D though if he is starting, hence the rumors of him backing off his commitment if Love were to return. I guess it's not impossible that his camp decides he can play one year as a weapon off the bench and go from there, but there's definitely another school or 30 out there that could offer him starter minutes and a whole lot of shots immediately. We'll see soon enough. That Love decision is a week or so away.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:31 amThe rumor was definitely real. Tho that is a different thing from the $$$ being real. From day 1 I have wondered if Lloyd would let Love come back. The money is one thing, but you have to have the ok of the head coach as well. If you believe the messaging on why Ballo was cut loose (“more seasons than 1”), unless you think a reclassed Sanon is a 1&D, the same holds here.
When I posted the Love-$$$ rumor here I believe I included that it was one or the other. Love or Sanon. If Love, no Sanon. Maybe, against all odds, Love believes that there is a chance that once the scouts see him live, his play will change their minds. And maybe Lloyd will take him back if not. Typically when you hear off season messaging regarding a player who might be coming back after everyone thought he was gone it is homer-feel good-BS.
But that was prior to NIL so I dunno on this one.
AgreeBeachcat97 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:50 pmI would rather have another season of Love than one of Sanon. We're talking about a guy who'd be in his 5th year of college basketball, who has already played in Lloyd's system for a year. I know Love's game needs work and that he takes a number of ill-advised shots, but he's an excellent teammate and competitor. He'd be a strong, positive presence on next year's team, especially with so many new guys.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:50 amAs much as I am ready to move on from Love, if you give me the choice of 1 season of Love vs 1 season of Sanon, I am choosing the former. When the person I trust most in the world tells me that Sanon is a “poor man’s Caleb Love” I listen. Plus, Love was my favorite dude in an Arizona uniform this past season. When he is good Caleb Love he is really fun for me to watch.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 7:21 amGoing into the end of the season Lloyd was definitely under the impression that Caleb Love was done with college basketball no matter what, hence the timing of Sanon's commitment on March 20th. Since the season ended though that stance changed. Love was still going to go through the process no matter what, but the door was definitely more than open for him return, especially with the $$$ offer supposedly on the table for him. Sanon is a 1&D though if he is starting, hence the rumors of him backing off his commitment if Love were to return. I guess it's not impossible that his camp decides he can play one year as a weapon off the bench and go from there, but there's definitely another school or 30 out there that could offer him starter minutes and a whole lot of shots immediately. We'll see soon enough. That Love decision is a week or so away.Winger wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2024 6:31 amThe rumor was definitely real. Tho that is a different thing from the $$$ being real. From day 1 I have wondered if Lloyd would let Love come back. The money is one thing, but you have to have the ok of the head coach as well. If you believe the messaging on why Ballo was cut loose (“more seasons than 1”), unless you think a reclassed Sanon is a 1&D, the same holds here.
When I posted the Love-$$$ rumor here I believe I included that it was one or the other. Love or Sanon. If Love, no Sanon. Maybe, against all odds, Love believes that there is a chance that once the scouts see him live, his play will change their minds. And maybe Lloyd will take him back if not. Typically when you hear off season messaging regarding a player who might be coming back after everyone thought he was gone it is homer-feel good-BS.
But that was prior to NIL so I dunno on this one.
This is no knock on Sanon, who I'm sure is a fine player. But the reality is that freshmen rarely impact a team as much as older guys, especially older guys who can do what Love can.
….unless Sanon was a generational Carmelo Anthony type of College Freshman, then absolutely choose Love if forced to. BTFD.I understand your reasoning. Still, the reason I lean towards Love is because we’re going to be very young next season. No Ballo, no Larsson, no Keshad. We do return some key guys like Lewis and Bradley, and we also bring in some nice transfers, all of whom are experienced. But none of these guys has the swag and leadership potential that Love does.Abrahamarvel wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 2:41 am Love is what he is. Not going to be much different than what he was in our system in year 1.
So come to March, if we are still relying on Love for go-to plays, it will be the same next year, complete russian roulette in playoffs. When Love is off and having 5-18 games, we shoot ourself in the head and exit.
With Sanon, a talented shotmaker that might improve vastly during the year. We might have our Stephen Castle in March. Our team is pretty stacked right now, we will probably be dancing without Love, and with/without matured Sanon.
Hence if we want to go far in March, I probably would take Sanon and gamble a bit.
His percentage on spot up 3s was excellent fwiw. It's when he shot off the dribble that he was utter dogshit from 3.Merkin wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:05 am Not a fan of Love as noted above, but he did account for 22.3% off all UA scoring. That is really going to be hard to replace with the crew we have right now.
If he does come back, nothing will change. Lloyd will give him the green light to chuck at will, and he can't control himself. And just break our hearts again next March. Love is a 50% 2PT shooter, and 60% at the rim. That should tell you where he should be shooting from.
And, IMNSHO, those shots off the dribble mostly were a result of an already stalled offense and lack of ball/player movement. That occurred far too often last season.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:51 amHis percentage on spot up 3s was excellent fwiw. It's when he shot off the dribble that he was utter dogshit from 3.Merkin wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 9:05 am Not a fan of Love as noted above, but he did account for 22.3% off all UA scoring. That is really going to be hard to replace with the crew we have right now.
If he does come back, nothing will change. Lloyd will give him the green light to chuck at will, and he can't control himself. And just break our hearts again next March. Love is a 50% 2PT shooter, and 60% at the rim. That should tell you where he should be shooting from.
Seemed Boswell lost interest end of last season, or at least his demeanor looked like it. If your only true PG (outside of Martinez) isn't giving 100%, then do what every team did. Pack the paint and force the Cats to beat you from the outside.
Townsend has more outside game than he's shown at Oakland, primarily due to necessity. The staff expects him to shoot from deep and shoot it fairly well next year. Probably similar to the production Keshad gave us from there.
Part of his coming here is to play the 3 and shoot 3s.ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 5:16 amTownsend has more outside game than he's shown at Oakland, primarily due to necessity. The staff expects him to shoot from deep and shoot it fairly well next year. Probably similar to the production Keshad gave us from there.
Lloyd actually came up in the post-game analysis of Hurley's decision, in terms of coaches who could make the move to the NBA.
Think your wrong. He might only get 5 minutes at Oregon because they are very deep at the guard position (think Altman is going to change to a four guard offense) but he would have gotten/earned more here. Guy is built like KJ and shoots a really good shot. No downplaying his talent from me. Hurt losing him. He will be a plus defender also.gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:50 am We did not lose Jamari Phillips because of money, we lost him because of the fact he probably would not be playing more than 5 minutes per game this season for us.
We will have to agree to disagree then. Everything I had heard was it was much more us moving on from Philips than him spurning us for more money. He has had quite a bit of issues in performance and off court actions since he committed to us last summer. He would have at best been the 5th guard behind three guys getting 25 - 30 minutes and a 4th getting around 20 minutes but all signs point to us still adding another guard this class and that was before he decommitted which is a clear sign where the staff saw him.TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:36 amThink your wrong. He might only get 5 minutes at Oregon because they are very deep at the guard position (think Altman is going to change to a four guard offense) but he would have gotten/earned more here. Guy is built like KJ and shoots a really good shot. No downplaying his talent from me. Hurt losing him. He will be a plus defender also.gronk4heisman wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:50 am We did not lose Jamari Phillips because of money, we lost him because of the fact he probably would not be playing more than 5 minutes per game this season for us.