Bear Down Wildcats

splitsecond wrote:

CatFanOneMil wrote:Azcentral starts questioning eSpin

https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/ ... 382372002/

These new AZcentral writers are such absolute knobs. That entire publication has gone to shit since Gannett took over. If I wanted to read the USA Today I would read the USA Today.

97cats wrote:

midnightx wrote:97, any idea of what kind of sanctions AZ may be facing? One wonders if AZ will ever fully recover.

no idea - but there is a theory (not sure how relevant it is) that if the onus is put on the university to handle initially (which it was to AZ) and that said university takes the proactive proper steps to clean or expose the issue on its own, than the NCAA will look more favorably on their investigation once thats concluded -- versus ignoring or arguing the opposite side or in some cases doing nothing and then being found guilty which directly results in more severe sanctions.

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:
But maybe they’ve already opened the door to that. I mean when 247 came out earlier this week and stated that there are sources who can vouch that what is on that tape will surely exonerate CSM. Someone on this board, I believe 97, (and forgive me 97 if it wasn’t you) stated that the timing of this release was calculated. Maybe I’m grasping at straws

midnightx wrote:97, any idea of what kind of sanctions AZ may be facing? One wonders if AZ will ever fully recover.

azcat34 wrote:

NYCat wrote:No mention of Ayton

Unbelievable, have they updated the corrections page for the 3rd time?

97cats wrote:

azcat49 wrote:How about mutually agree to separate but he coaches to the seasons conclusion? Seems like not a whole lot of risk there

that was secretly on the table pretty much the entire season - hence why i kept being vague but pointing out that this was Miller's last season in Tucson.

"sometimes a fresh start is the best for everyone."

NYCat wrote:No mention of Ayton

Olsondogg wrote:With all that 97 said I still roll out Miller as one last fuck you. Give me all those sanctions and let miller describe it all to 60 mins after winning the natty.

Olsondogg wrote:With all that 97 said I still roll out Miller as one last fuck you. Give me all those sanctions and let miller describe it all to 60 mins after winning the natty.

midnightx wrote:

NYCat wrote:No mention of Ayton

After it became clear that Ayton could not be verified as the 5-Star recruit, ESPN changed the details of the story.

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:With all that 97 said I still roll out Miller as one last fuck you. Give me all those sanctions and let miller describe it all to 60 mins after winning the natty.

a big part of me feels this way too

Olsondogg wrote: Byrne would do it. No fucking doubt.

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

97cats wrote:

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Yeah.. seriously.. How much more are future allegations going to damage our program?

i agree if this was the first sign, or even second, but Arizona is under a tremendous amount of scrutiny behind the scenes with many people frothing at the mouth for their pound of flesh.

keeping Miller on through the season is what i want, but i 100% understand being scared to do so if more fallout or detail is released at a more high profile time, especially given that Arizona was perceived to be dead in the water at the end of February.

if in fact they do move on as business as usual and fight the claim and then there is a substantiated report that is not based on speculation i believe that would hurt Arizona, the president of the university, and it AD far more than if they cut bait now.

but its not a perfect world, they have people to answer to including the fans boosters players and university who want a winner and the money and the notarity but dont want to know how.

its been going on at AZ for decades and when Lute Olson was here things were handled just a weeeeeee bit different...im telling you Sean Miller took the power and resources of Arizona Basketball to another level doing things on the recruiting trail that most thought never imaginable. he was careless sometimes mostly being loyal and trusting a man who has a tough time making good choices.

dont let it fall on def ears that many o folks who care about AZ had told Sean to get rid of Book as he would be his demise and Coach Miller, like he so often does, chose to do his own thing and ignore the pleas.

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote: Byrne would do it. No fucking doubt.

yep -- and Byrne is one of the pieces in this who was complicit and supportive...make no mistake, the former AD was involved and made things happen for Miller.

Olsondogg wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote:With all that 97 said I still roll out Miller as one last fuck you. Give me all those sanctions and let miller describe it all to 60 mins after winning the natty.

a big part of me feels this way too

Byrne would do it. No fucking doubt.

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

midnightx wrote:

NYCat wrote:No mention of Ayton

After it became clear that Ayton could not be verified as the 5-Star recruit, ESPN changed the details of the story.

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

Olsondogg wrote:

97cats wrote:

Olsondogg wrote: Byrne would do it. No fucking doubt.

yep -- and Byrne is one of the pieces in this who was complicit and supportive...make no mistake, the former AD was involved and made things happen for Miller.

I remember Greg in Vegas. schmoooozing.

Vegas is really sin city. No damn doubt.

97cats wrote:

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

youve always been one of my fav posters on any Arizona board -- dont ever change got nothin but luv for ya, BibbysTowelDude

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

azcat34 wrote:

midnightx wrote:

NYCat wrote:No mention of Ayton

After it became clear that Ayton could not be verified as the 5-Star recruit, ESPN changed the details of the story.

Which 5-star recruit could they be referring to though?

247sports' article says the calls took place 6/19/17 - 9/25/17 and Bowen committed on 6/3/2017.

Was it a 2018 5-star recruit? Still so many unanswered questions.

Olsondogg wrote:This is between team Miller and the University guys.

g32knights wrote:Halftime of Kentucky vs. Ole Miss, and the mentioned the meeting deciding CSM's fate tomorrow, and interestingly they mentioned Ayton.

Botton line info and telecast not matching up?

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

97cats wrote:

Gladiator Cat wrote:... is that the optics clearly show me that Robbins and Heeke very likely do not believe Miller

i believe they believe Coach Miller in his refute to the report from ESPN - what i think scares the living daylights out of them about the long term situation is anyone close to this entire situation is aware and has been made aware that the FBI is sitting on a huge pile of evidence scanning ALL of college bball and Arizona and Sean Miller allegedly have a large part in that.

does it ever get released? who knows?

will it ever result in sanctions or further the scandal? who knows?

however, as see over the last six days, in todays environment of the court of public opinion and internet journalism there are leaks and fabrications and manipulations that spurn chaos -- would Arizona be in a position to feel the heat from this avenue again and god for bid it was attacked during the NCAA Tournament or a Final Four by someone who sitting on information (baseless or not) that could further damage the program far beyond whats already transpired????

to use the optics reference, that then would fall back on the AD for not being proactive and putting the university's best interest at mind when speculation and accusation arose in February after initial representation in September.

that has been the discussion and the heads of Arizona are in a tough spot, keep him and risk the above which has the potential to be far worse than the former, or part ways now and pay a huge number to get out.

520in480 wrote:97, two questions for you. 1. Given the amount of people involved in the recruitment and payment of players - coaches, players, families, agents, shoe companies, etc. - surely there are bound to be individuals who feel they have been wronged and seek revenge by blowing the whistle on the whole operation. Any idea why this hasn't happened? And 2., I heard from a friend who spoke with the mother of a former player over a year ago. According to him, she said some former players were not high on Miller because they felt there were shady deals going down. Have you heard anything like this?

legallykenny wrote:

97cats wrote:

Gladiator Cat wrote:... is that the optics clearly show me that Robbins and Heeke very likely do not believe Miller

i believe they believe Coach Miller in his refute to the report from ESPN - what i think scares the living daylights out of them about the long term situation is anyone close to this entire situation is aware and has been made aware that the FBI is sitting on a huge pile of evidence scanning ALL of college bball and Arizona and Sean Miller allegedly have a large part in that.

does it ever get released? who knows?

will it ever result in sanctions or further the scandal? who knows?

however, as see over the last six days, in todays environment of the court of public opinion and internet journalism there are leaks and fabrications and manipulations that spurn chaos -- would Arizona be in a position to feel the heat from this avenue again and god for bid it was attacked during the NCAA Tournament or a Final Four by someone who sitting on information (baseless or not) that could further damage the program far beyond whats already transpired????

to use the optics reference, that then would fall back on the AD for not being proactive and putting the university's best interest at mind when speculation and accusation arose in February after initial representation in September.

that has been the discussion and the heads of Arizona are in a tough spot, keep him and risk the above which has the potential to be far worse than the former, or part ways now and pay a huge number to get out.

I’ve always assumed that Sean comes off poorly to people outside the family and he obviously doesn’t get along with Alford and K but who else that really matters has he pissed off to that extent?

BE4RDOWN21 wrote:

legallykenny wrote:

97cats wrote:

Gladiator Cat wrote:... is that the optics clearly show me that Robbins and Heeke very likely do not believe Miller

i believe they believe Coach Miller in his refute to the report from ESPN - what i think scares the living daylights out of them about the long term situation is anyone close to this entire situation is aware and has been made aware that the FBI is sitting on a huge pile of evidence scanning ALL of college bball and Arizona and Sean Miller allegedly have a large part in that.

does it ever get released? who knows?

will it ever result in sanctions or further the scandal? who knows?

however, as see over the last six days, in todays environment of the court of public opinion and internet journalism there are leaks and fabrications and manipulations that spurn chaos -- would Arizona be in a position to feel the heat from this avenue again and god for bid it was attacked during the NCAA Tournament or a Final Four by someone who sitting on information (baseless or not) that could further damage the program far beyond whats already transpired????

to use the optics reference, that then would fall back on the AD for not being proactive and putting the university's best interest at mind when speculation and accusation arose in February after initial representation in September.

that has been the discussion and the heads of Arizona are in a tough spot, keep him and risk the above which has the potential to be far worse than the former, or part ways now and pay a huge number to get out.

I’ve always assumed that Sean comes off poorly to people outside the family and he obviously doesn’t get along with Alford and K but who else that really matters has he pissed off to that extent?

Aren’t him and Cal pretty good friends?

legallykenny wrote:

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.

Wasn’t the real reason USC football got hammered by the NCAA that their AD and football staff just told the NCAA to fuck off and kept everyone in place?

BibbysTowelDude wrote:I don’t get why people are so freaked out by NCAA sanctions... That organization is a limp dick.

At worse you’re getting 1 year ban, a couple of lost scholarships, and some vacated W’s.

You suck it up, then start buying your way to the top again.