Bear Down Wildcats

NYCat wrote:

ezinaz wrote:SI piles on ESPN:

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... spn-report" target="_blank

As Arizona coach Sean Miller forcibly professed his innocence on Thursday in a statement that affirmed his status with the team, a source familiar with the college hoops corruption investigation confirmed with SI that the details of a wiretapped phone call involving Miller were inaccurately reported in a story by ESPN that said Miller “discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats.”

According to the source, relevant FBI wiretaps in the investigation did not begin until 2017—months after five-star recruit Deandre Ayton had already committed to Arizona in Sept. 2016. This account is consistent with reporting by Evan Daniels of 247Sports. The recruitment of Ayton, therefore, would have not been at issue in an intercepted phone call that occurred in 2017. To that end, the source told SI what Miller clarified for the first time Thursday: Ayton is not the player on whose behalf former ASM Sports employee Christian Dawkins allegedly sought a payment from Miller, and Miller never pursued or made any payments to a recruit associated with Dawkins.

This account depicts Miller as complying with both the law and NCAA recruiting rules. The same holds true of Ayton, whose compliance with NCAA rules would ensure that he remains eligible to play for the final month of his freshman year.

For his part, Miller made clear on Thursday that he will fight the allegations. In a press conference held at the university, Miller stressed that he had “never paid a recruit or a prospect” and would never do so. He also asserted that he and Ayton have suffered “defamation” by the manner in which the media has reported the allegations. The possibility of Miller and Ayton filing defamation lawsuits is examined more closely below.

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NYCat wrote:BTW the reporter for Sports Illustrated is Michael McCann

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YoDeFoe wrote:

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SunnyAZ wrote:

catgrad97 wrote:We don't know how much of the ESPN report is accurate. And that network has done zilch to merit any benefit of doubt on the Miller story to date.

Miller did mention he talked to Dawkins in the press conference. I doubt he talked to him about how his day was going.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Here's the direct quote:

"I also want you to know that the one time someone suggested to me paying a player to come to the University of Arizona I did not agree to it. It never happened and that player did not come to the University of Arizona. Out of respect for this ongoing investigation and the privacy of the student-athlete and his family, I'm not going to share further details concerning this matter."

Assuming ESPN didn't completely fabricate their story and Miller's comment is a response, this has to be a reference about what does exist on a wire. He acknowledged knowing Dawkins, so it's a fair assumption the wire is with Dawkins. Given that Dawkins was involved in the 100k negotiations with Dawkins...I feel pretty confident that Miller pretty much laid out a Dawkins discussion that it would be 100k for Bowen.

84Cat wrote:

EVCat wrote:Miller pretty clearly said the discussion with Dawkins was not related to a current Arizona player

"...and the player did not come to the University of Arizona".

I mean...you could technically say he never said this and that and this but the intent was pretty clear.

Bosy Billups wrote:PS - even worse, the TIMING of the story, dropped a couple hours after the Yahoo! article.

Q: WHY NOT WAIT A WEEK FOR THE YAHOO REPORT TO PLAY OUT?

Q: DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY JUST GOT THE INFO THAT DAY?

Maybe they did, and it was someone leaking that in order to DEFLECT from the Yahoo! article while taking down another big fish.

This is how it works folks. WAKE UP. Fuck

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Here's the direct quote:

"I also want you to know that the one time someone suggested to me paying a player to come to the University of Arizona I did not agree to it. It never happened and that player did not come to the University of Arizona. Out of respect for this ongoing investigation and the privacy of the student-athlete and his family, I'm not going to share further details concerning this matter."

Assuming ESPN didn't completely fabricate their story and Miller's comment is a response, this has to be a reference about what does exist on a wire. He acknowledged knowing Dawkins, so it's a fair assumption the wire is with Dawkins. Given that Dawkins was involved in the 100k negotiations with Dawkins...I feel pretty confident that Miller pretty much laid out a Dawkins discussion that it would be 100k for Bowen.

You are kinda missing the whole point of this situation. Why would Dawkins care if a player came to UA? His only job is to get players to sign with his agency. He came to Miller to try to get Ayton to sign with his agency. Hence why the initial report said the convo happened in 2017, which Miller kinda confirmed.

I'm not saying Miller did anything wrong, but I don't think the ESPN report did either. ESPN messed up because they thought it was about getting Ayton to come to UA and that ruined whole story for them. If they had a CBB guy that followed recruiting and the whole FBI scandal report it they might have put two and two together. Unfortunately, for them Schablah got the info.

As far as that Miller quote, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about recruiting in general. That only one time in his career did anyone ever mention to him about paying a player and he turned it down.

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Here's the direct quote:

"I also want you to know that the one time someone suggested to me paying a player to come to the University of Arizona I did not agree to it. It never happened and that player did not come to the University of Arizona. Out of respect for this ongoing investigation and the privacy of the student-athlete and his family, I'm not going to share further details concerning this matter."

Assuming ESPN didn't completely fabricate their story and Miller's comment is a response, this has to be a reference about what does exist on a wire. He acknowledged knowing Dawkins, so it's a fair assumption the wire is with Dawkins. Given that Dawkins was involved in the 100k negotiations with Dawkins...I feel pretty confident that Miller pretty much laid out a Dawkins discussion that it would be 100k for Bowen.

You are kinda missing the whole point of this situation. Why would Dawkins care if a player came to UA? His only job is to get players to sign with his agency. He came to Miller to try to get Ayton to sign with his agency. Hence why the initial report said the convo happened in 2017, which Miller kinda confirmed.

I'm not saying Miller did anything wrong, but I don't think the ESPN report did either. ESPN messed up because they thought it was about getting Ayton to come to UA and that ruined whole story for them. If they had a CBB guy that followed recruiting and the whole FBI scandal report it they might have put two and two together. Unfortunately, for them Schablah got the info.

As far as that Miller quote, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about recruiting in general. That only one time in his career did anyone ever mention to him about paying a player and he turned it down.

SunnyAZ wrote:

EVCat wrote:Miller pretty clearly said the discussion with Dawkins was not related to a current Arizona player

"...and the player did not come to the University of Arizona".

I mean...you could technically say he never said this and that and this but the intent was pretty clear.

I don't see how you guys are connecting the two things. The thing he said about the one player was to his 'I never have... and never will' point. He wasn't talking about Dawkins in that instance.

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Here's the direct quote:

"I also want you to know that the one time someone suggested to me paying a player to come to the University of Arizona I did not agree to it. It never happened and that player did not come to the University of Arizona. Out of respect for this ongoing investigation and the privacy of the student-athlete and his family, I'm not going to share further details concerning this matter."

Assuming ESPN didn't completely fabricate their story and Miller's comment is a response, this has to be a reference about what does exist on a wire. He acknowledged knowing Dawkins, so it's a fair assumption the wire is with Dawkins. Given that Dawkins was involved in the 100k negotiations with Dawkins...I feel pretty confident that Miller pretty much laid out a Dawkins discussion that it would be 100k for Bowen.

You are kinda missing the whole point of this situation. Why would Dawkins care if a player came to UA? His only job is to get players to sign with his agency. He came to Miller to try to get Ayton to sign with his agency. Hence why the initial report said the convo happened in 2017, which Miller kinda confirmed.

I'm not saying Miller did anything wrong, but I don't think the ESPN report did either. ESPN messed up because they thought it was about getting Ayton to come to UA and that ruined whole story for them. If they had a CBB guy that followed recruiting and the whole FBI scandal report it they might have put two and two together. Unfortunately, for them Schablah got the info.

As far as that Miller quote, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about recruiting in general. That only one time in his career did anyone ever mention to him about paying a player and he turned it down.

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Here's the direct quote:

"I also want you to know that the one time someone suggested to me paying a player to come to the University of Arizona I did not agree to it. It never happened and that player did not come to the University of Arizona. Out of respect for this ongoing investigation and the privacy of the student-athlete and his family, I'm not going to share further details concerning this matter."

Assuming ESPN didn't completely fabricate their story and Miller's comment is a response, this has to be a reference about what does exist on a wire. He acknowledged knowing Dawkins, so it's a fair assumption the wire is with Dawkins. Given that Dawkins was involved in the 100k negotiations with Dawkins...I feel pretty confident that Miller pretty much laid out a Dawkins discussion that it would be 100k for Bowen.

You are kinda missing the whole point of this situation. Why would Dawkins care if a player came to UA? His only job is to get players to sign with his agency. He came to Miller to try to get Ayton to sign with his agency. Hence why the initial report said the convo happened in 2017, which Miller kinda confirmed.

I'm not saying Miller did anything wrong, but I don't think the ESPN report did either. ESPN messed up because they thought it was about getting Ayton to come to UA and that ruined whole story for them. If they had a CBB guy that followed recruiting and the whole FBI scandal report it they might have put two and two together. Unfortunately, for them Schablah got the info.

As far as that Miller quote, I'm pretty sure he was just talking about recruiting in general. That only one time in his career did anyone ever mention to him about paying a player and he turned it down.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Dawkins was trying to leverage a quid pro quo situation. Book got nailed because he accepted a bribe intended to obtain Quinerly in exchange for Book steering current players to Dawkins.

Miller is describing Dawkins offering him the same deal. Dawkins gives 100k to Miller to land Bowen, he asks for players to be steered to him in exchange. Maybe he asks about Ayton at that point, but the money wasn't for Miller in the way the Book payment ostensibly wasn't intended for Book.

Gladiator Cat wrote:That was as serious and profound a presser statement as could possibly be produced.

The university and Sean Miller laid down the gauntlet. I'm also confident that you will never hear a public retraction from them scumbags at ESPN because the financial liability would be enormous.

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Dawkins was trying to leverage a quid pro quo situation. Book got nailed because he accepted a bribe intended to obtain Quinerly in exchange for Book steering current players to Dawkins.

Miller is describing Dawkins offering him the same deal. Dawkins gives 100k to Miller to land Bowen, he asks for players to be steered to him in exchange. Maybe he asks about Ayton at that point, but the money wasn't for Miller in the way the Book payment ostensibly wasn't intended for Book.

ok, that makes more sense to me.

These agents seem to be wasting money tho, if I recall the NBA guys that got mentioned that they paid didn't even sign with them. I don't see why they just wouldn't use the money to convince their parents or the players themselves to sign.

Agent: "I'll give you 100K to sign with us"

18 year old: "OK"

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Dawkins was trying to leverage a quid pro quo situation. Book got nailed because he accepted a bribe intended to obtain Quinerly in exchange for Book steering current players to Dawkins.

Miller is describing Dawkins offering him the same deal. Dawkins gives 100k to Miller to land Bowen, he asks for players to be steered to him in exchange. Maybe he asks about Ayton at that point, but the money wasn't for Miller in the way the Book payment ostensibly wasn't intended for Book.

ok, that makes more sense to me.

These agents seem to be wasting money tho, if I recall the NBA guys that got mentioned that they paid didn't even sign with them. I don't see why they just wouldn't use the money to convince their parents or the players themselves to sign.

Agent: "I'll give you 100K to sign with us"

18 year old: "OK"

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Dawkins was trying to leverage a quid pro quo situation. Book got nailed because he accepted a bribe intended to obtain Quinerly in exchange for Book steering current players to Dawkins.

Miller is describing Dawkins offering him the same deal. Dawkins gives 100k to Miller to land Bowen, he asks for players to be steered to him in exchange. Maybe he asks about Ayton at that point, but the money wasn't for Miller in the way the Book payment ostensibly wasn't intended for Book.

ok, that makes more sense to me.

These agents seem to be wasting money tho, if I recall the NBA guys that got mentioned that they paid didn't even sign with them. I don't see why they just wouldn't use the money to convince their parents or the players themselves to sign.

Agent: "I'll give you 100K to sign with us"

18 year old: "OK"

Lofty wrote: ESPN did nothing wrong? Good Lord. Are you serious?

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Dawkins was trying to leverage a quid pro quo situation. Book got nailed because he accepted a bribe intended to obtain Quinerly in exchange for Book steering current players to Dawkins.

Miller is describing Dawkins offering him the same deal. Dawkins gives 100k to Miller to land Bowen, he asks for players to be steered to him in exchange. Maybe he asks about Ayton at that point, but the money wasn't for Miller in the way the Book payment ostensibly wasn't intended for Book.

ok, that makes more sense to me.

These agents seem to be wasting money tho, if I recall the NBA guys that got mentioned that they paid didn't even sign with them. I don't see why they just wouldn't use the money to convince their parents or the players themselves to sign.

Agent: "I'll give you 100K to sign with us"

18 year old: "OK"

NBA contracts average 10-15 mil a year and an agent get 7% (at least generally). So, each NBA signee is about a million a year.

It's a numbers game. If you drop $100,000 on 10 guys, you can recoup it with a single signee in a single year.

YoDeFoe wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Dawkins was trying to leverage a quid pro quo situation. Book got nailed because he accepted a bribe intended to obtain Quinerly in exchange for Book steering current players to Dawkins.

Miller is describing Dawkins offering him the same deal. Dawkins gives 100k to Miller to land Bowen, he asks for players to be steered to him in exchange. Maybe he asks about Ayton at that point, but the money wasn't for Miller in the way the Book payment ostensibly wasn't intended for Book.

ok, that makes more sense to me.

These agents seem to be wasting money tho, if I recall the NBA guys that got mentioned that they paid didn't even sign with them. I don't see why they just wouldn't use the money to convince their parents or the players themselves to sign.

Agent: "I'll give you 100K to sign with us"

18 year old: "OK"

The agents are trying to buy access to a pipeline of players, not an individual player. If they could get access to Arizona players via the single $100k payment, that's better than paying one player $100k.

It's like... my wife is a mortgage loan officer but she doesn't wine and dine people looking to buy homes. She wines and dines the best realtors in the market, because that money pays for a pipeline and not a single one time deal.

CalStateTempe wrote:ABOR keeping Miller officially!

CalStateTempe wrote:ABOR keeping Miller officially!

EVCat wrote:

cpt wrote:

scumdevils86 wrote:

Bosy Billups wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Also, ESPN is standing by this reporting:

Someone told our reporter something.

Sure, that could be true. Now is it good journalism to print salacious and career ending allegations without evidence or confirmation? No - it's fucking not.

They aint in the game for good journalism, they are in for "reputation-making stories" for reporters, and eyeballs, add revenue, etc.

YOU MSM FAKE NEWS DENIERS, where art thou? This is how it works! Destroy a man with little recourse. Fuck

lol.

What we learned is ESPN is a far cry from The New York Times, Washington Post and, hell, even Yahoo.

Plus...it stands out because MSM does not make these kind of mistakes often.

Same cannot be said about web -only outlets that cater to one side or the other.

rgdeuce wrote: Not sure about that my dude. Hate that my links had to involve politics in this glorious thread at this glorious time; nothing else came to mind when I was trying to find something that was even close to the same level of what CSM is going through. Just for reference, I wont be engaging in the political stuff in here.

(NYT) http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/15/media/n ... index.html" target="_blank
(CNN) https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/busi ... mucci.html" target="_blank
(6 More CNN) http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-tim ... s-in-2017/" target="_blank
(Washington Post) https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleeta ... 3bc5827ad5" target="_blank
(ABC) http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/01/media/a ... index.html" target="_blank

NYCat wrote: