Bear Down Wildcats

NYCat wrote:Dawn of the end

hopefully

It breaks my heart but it’s time to move on.

NYCat wrote:Dawn of the end

hopefully

It's called "ZONE" defense sean, his hard head doesn't help this team win

Miller is going through a lot right now, and then he coaches a real crap game to boot. Will be an interesting offseason for sure. I'd peg Miller staying at 25%.

We are all done here..

SunnyAZ wrote:

NYCat wrote:Dawn of the end

hopefully

Even if it's not this year, the wheels are already falling apart and it'll be time soon.

he may flatline with that PG he rode two seasons too long.

Gotta think that with this result, the investigation, no recruits coming in next year and losing all 5 starters that he's gone. going to be a completely different program within a month or two.

Yes, I am quoting myself.

97cats wrote:he may flatline with that PG he rode two seasons too long.

Bingo. This is probably the number one problem. A lot of people saying it's not Miller it's the players. Well, he put the team together. He runs a system thats based on playing hard defensively and scoring in transition, yet he recruits 2 guards who can't move their feet on defense. Then when he does recruit a star he's unable to find ways to get them the ball. That's coaching plain and simple. But this team didn't give much effort all year.

But riding PJC when he obviously was not the answer (I don't even blame PJC for his physical limitations, but lack of effort was a problem) was such a huge mistake.

I think they part ways and we are in for a rebuild.

ASUHATER! wrote:Gotta think that with this result, the investigation, no recruits coming in next year and losing all 5 starters that he's gone. going to be a completely different program within a month or two.

Watching that game in the second half sure felt like the end of an era

If I was Miller I would just take a year off to rest up and get your mojo back. It's gone.

This may be the end of Arizona basketball being elite as we know it.

I hate to say it but Miller needs to leave for the good of the program

We just need to move on at this point and start over from scratch

Will suck and the road is dark but I see no other way

Cant play two 7 footers and hope to stop penetration in a man defense. Duke figured that out half way through the season. We still havent.

If this is the end for Miller here, it really was his brutal guard play throughout his entire tenure that kept him out of the final 4.

I hope Miller leaves quickly (assuming he's leaving) so the U of A has a shot at recruiting a viable replacement...

... but, the near future sure looks bleak, doesn't it?

Newportcat wrote:I hate to say it but Miller needs to leave for the good of the program

We just need to move on at this point and start over from scratch

Will suck and the road is dark but I see no other way

I tend to agree. I'd like to keep him, but between all the drama and the investigation and his relationship with the pac 12...it's probably time. Who knows who we'll get to coach and we'll probably be an NIT level team for the next 2-3 seasons at best...but hey maybe in like 2022 we can get back to the tournament.

Abrahamarvel wrote:Miller needs to go.

....NOT

UALoco wrote:

Yes, I am quoting myself.

I dont think it will take 5 years.

But to be honest...I'll take 2 years of hard working players who give it their all over what I watched the last two seasons. If a rebuild is what it takes to get back to being a hard nosed team I'm all for it. We need leaders and guys who will play 3-4 years.

I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

pc in NM wrote:I hope Miller leaves quickly (assuming he's leaving) so the U of A has a shot at recruiting a viable replacement...

... but, the near future sure looks bleak, doesn't it?

It did in '08 too

The fundamentals of the program, that which makes it strong, are still there

Anyone who thinks this team is going to magically be respectable next year is seriously diluted.

We got a dark couple of years ahead of us. The bloom is without question off this programs rose.

This is a hard one to take because we literally imploded and looked hapless against a 13 seed for all the nation to see.

The team and coaching staff may be unrecognizable next year.

Who knows. These NCAA changes are gonna be a big change this offseason, once implemented doubt the NCAA is going to drop the hammer much. But if Miller can't recruit due to ongoing scandal, we may be forced to get someone in here who can, under the assumption we won't be facing any major sanctions. On that last part, it complicates the hiring considerably.

I don't even care about the FBI stuff or no recruits. If I thought he was a good coach I would still want him, but that is not the case.

ZONACAT wrote:I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

Never happening in a million years

Literally never happening

Newportcat wrote:I hate to say it but Miller needs to leave for the good of the program

We just need to move on at this point and start over from scratch

Will suck and the road is dark but I see no other way

I don't think Miller needs to go. But I think he will on his own accord. . Arizona fans are spoiled shits if they think a coach who wins 78 percent of his games needs to go.

SunnyAZ wrote:I don't even care about the FBI stuff or no recruits. If I thought he was a good coach I would still want him, but that is not the case.

He's a good recruiter and an above average coach.
The problem is he doesn't recruit the right players for his system.

Newportcat wrote:I hate to say it but Miller needs to leave for the good of the program

We just need to move on at this point and start over from scratch

Will suck and the road is dark but I see no other way

This is where I'm at.

I don't have much else to say at this point.

SunnyAZ wrote:I don't even care about the FBI stuff or no recruits. If I thought he was a good coach I would still want him, but that is not the case.

Miller is a fucking fantastic coach.

Gladiator Cat wrote:Anyone who thinks this team is going to magically be respectable next year is seriously diluted.

We got a dark couple of years ahead of us. The bloom is without question off this programs rose.

This is a hard one to take because we literally imploded and looked hapless against a 13 seed for all the nation to see.

The team and coaching staff may be unrecognizable next year.

i sadly fully expect the next 2-3 seasons to be ones where an NIT bid and top 6 finish in the Pac 12 would be a wild success.

TheGreatCatsby wrote:Who knows. These NCAA changes are gonna be a big change this offseason, once implemented doubt the NCAA is going to drop the hammer much. But if Miller can't recruit due to ongoing scandal, we may be forced to get someone in here who can, under the assumption we won't be facing any major sanctions. On that last part, it complicates the hiring considerably.

No one is going to be able to recruit here for a couple of years.

jsbowl16 wrote:Cant play two 7 footers and hope to stop penetration in a man defense.

that beat down was all about buffalo abusing az’s guards, specifally Cartwright who was targeted at tip on both ends of the floor.

their plan was to attack him with Clark and it worked. Clark mentioned that he was gonna take it to Cartwright and alluded that he wasn’t able to handle the physical pressure.

it looked just like Xavier and which st ...Miller road PJC and is the one to blame for this, Cartwright was never the horse to ride but Arizona went all in.

and yet here we are again....same story

Newportcat wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

Never happening in a million years

Literally never happening

I find this hard to believe. If this were Duke or UNC, those guys would run back. Why wouldn't they for Lute?

Nothing is as ever as good or as bad it seems. Take a few days...

Reset with Miller or without him but it’s never that bad. We have the baseline as a program. The history the money and the fanbae and facilities.

Anyone saying we should have played zone has taken one too many bong rips tonight. Did you see the way that team shot?

Loss is on our guards poor defense, poor shooting, and poor entry passes. And a big part of that is on Miller because he's the one who chose to go with PJC and other poor defenders in a system that required pressure defense. But let's not sit here and say the refusal to play zone was an issue today...it wasnt.

ZONACAT wrote:

Newportcat wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

Never happening in a million years

Literally never happening

I find this hard to believe. If this were Duke or UNC, those guys would run back. Why wouldn't they for Lute?

because Kerr has vehemently said over and over again for years now that he would never coach in college

Luke is never coaching college. Big pay cut for an vastly more difficult job. Same goes for Steve, plus coaching the greatest team ever assembled.

97cats wrote:

jsbowl16 wrote:Cant play two 7 footers and hope to stop penetration in a man defense.

that beat down was all about buffalo abusing az’s guards, specifally Cartwright who was targeted at tip on both ends of the floor.

their plan was to attack him with Clark and it worked. Clark mentioned that he was gonna take it to Cartwright and alluded that he wasn’t able to handle the physical pressure.

it looked just like Xavier and which st ...Miller road PJC and is the one to blame for this, Cartwright was never the horse to ride but Arizona went all in.

and yet here we are again....same story

So, can you give us some thoughts/insights on the future.

Just feel a little indifferent to Miller right now. Not sure he will ever get it done here but a little afraid to get rid of a coach that constantly wins except in the tournament.

ZONACAT wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:I don't even care about the FBI stuff or no recruits. If I thought he was a good coach I would still want him, but that is not the case.

Miller is a fucking fantastic coach.

Agreed. Man I hope he stays so we can see what he will do with mid major talent that fits his scheme for a while

Also, I find it ironic that it looked like we forgot how to attack man to man defense, since we have been having only zone for what feels like forever. Ironic because we torched zones all year

DrWildcat wrote:Just feel a little indifferent to Miller right now. Not sure he will ever get it done here but a little afraid to get rid of a coach that constantly wins except in the tournament.

I think a lot of people feel the same. But throw in the whole FBI thing and that makes me lean towards moving in a different direction.

dcZONAfan wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:I don't even care about the FBI stuff or no recruits. If I thought he was a good coach I would still want him, but that is not the case.

Miller is a fucking fantastic coach.

Agreed. Man I hope he stays so we can see what he will do with mid major talent that fits his scheme for a while

Also, I find it ironic that it looked like we forgot how to attack man to man defense, since we have been having only zone for what feels like forever. Ironic because we torched zones all year

Im still puzzled why he couldnt recruit guys that fit his scheme. It's U of A.

Feel bad for Miller. Up until last 2 years, did an elite job. Just not the way to go out. Think he retires as he hinted in the past was tired of missing his family, the grind, etc. It was a good run.

billk78 wrote:

DrWildcat wrote:Just feel a little indifferent to Miller right now. Not sure he will ever get it done here but a little afraid to get rid of a coach that constantly wins except in the tournament.

I think a lot of people feel the same. But throw in the whole FBI thing and that makes me lean towards moving in a different direction.

it's not where I want to go really and short term it is going to suck a lot, but long term...we just gotta nuke the entire thing from space and rebuild again like it's 1983.

ZONACAT wrote:

Newportcat wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

Never happening in a million years

Literally never happening

I find this hard to believe. If this were Duke or UNC, those guys would run back. Why wouldn't they for Lute?

Kerr hates college coaching, he's said it so many times. Thinks it's dirty.

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“There’s a reason I coach in the NBA,” said Kerr, whose Golden State Warriors won their second title in three years in June. “I never wanted to be a college coach.”

“I don’t immerse myself in that stuff. The NBA is very pure,” he said. “We don’t want to make apologies or concessions about what we’re doing. We’re just playing basketball. It’s a business. And the NCAA obviously has lots of things to figure out on many levels who they are and what they’re doing.”

ASUHATER! wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:

Newportcat wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

Never happening in a million years

Literally never happening

I find this hard to believe. If this were Duke or UNC, those guys would run back. Why wouldn't they for Lute?

because Kerr has vehemently said over and over again for years now that he would never coach in college

Coaches lie. I find it really hard to believe that they are going to sit and let the program rot under some mid major schmuck. I don't want to believe it. Maybe it is true, and NBA money is all that matters to them, but I don't want to believe it.

billk78 wrote:

DrWildcat wrote:Just feel a little indifferent to Miller right now. Not sure he will ever get it done here but a little afraid to get rid of a coach that constantly wins except in the tournament.

I think a lot of people feel the same. But throw in the whole FBI thing and that makes me lean towards moving in a different direction.

Exactly where I am at.

ZONACAT wrote:

Newportcat wrote:

ZONACAT wrote:I'd be surprised if Miller doesn't walk.

Lute needs to ask, after the Warriors win another title, Kerr to save the program. Or Luke. Play the death card, I don't care. What's the point of having this huge Arizona basketball tree if they won't come back to save the roots. Kerr has nothing to prove in the NBA. Done it all.

Never happening in a million years

Literally never happening

I find this hard to believe. If this were Duke or UNC, those guys would run back. Why wouldn't they for Lute?

Kerr can’t handle it physically. Even when he could, why work that hard when you’ve already been to the mountaintop. Luke? To paraphrase, how you gonna keep him down in the Sonoran Desert when he’s seen the lights of LA?

ZONACAT wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:I don't even care about the FBI stuff or no recruits. If I thought he was a good coach I would still want him, but that is not the case.

Miller is a fucking fantastic coach.

And because he put his faith in a man that many encouraged him to let go we are absolutely fucked on the recruiting trail for who knows how long.

If this FBI stuff didn't happen I'd agree with you, but there's no quick recovery for the situation we're in. It's honestly probably best for both Miller and Arizona to part ways. The next coach is meaningless. If he works out great, if he doesn't then the following coach is the real Miller replacement anyways.