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Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:16 am
by Merkin
Katzenfreund wrote:Well, they think that we're not that good and that they'll beat us.
It's all how you play that day. Sean Miller can't get it done. Arizona's defense is amazing and they have a lot of height, but that same amazing team lost of Oregon State and UNLV on the road. UA has not lost at home, but they're not at home. It may be Pac 12 country, but it's not Tuscon.
How did UNLV win? Poor shooting, out-rebounded them, second chance points, clogging the lanes to take the charges, foul trouble, and poor FT shooting. UNLV also has good length.
How did Oregon State win? Poor shooting & turnovers.
The coaches know the recipe to get it done, but it's all dependent on how the kids play that day. No doubt Arizona is a good team, but they're not all they're hyped up to be. They're big, they're athletic, they play good defense (they held the Beavers to 34 points in the rematch), but they don't block very much.
Tell that to Michigan State and Kansas State! No one thought we could beat them two traditional basketball powers at their home court. Trust me, Arizona could never beat MSU in Lansing.
Need to find this Tuscon place they keep talking about.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:19 am
by Longhorned
gumby wrote:So how do jinxes work if both fan bases look ahead? Does the Jinx Committee use the eye test?
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:28 am
by Longhorned
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Wisky is good enough to beat us if we aren't having an off game. No one else in our region is.
Baylor is good enough to beat Arizona on a neutral court on a given day. It wouldn't be the biggest upset in recent memory. None of this year's 2-seeds are safe against their 3-seeds. We talk about how good the 2-seeds are this year in particular, but the same goes for all four of the 3-seeds. Baylor will be a tough out. To disagree with Salim while stealing his own phrase, that game could be one anus-puckering dogfight that Arizona has to win by fighting its way into the paint and sticking like glue to their man on the perimeter to prevent the shot (rather than trying to close in on shooters in the act).
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:34 am
by Chicat
Obama went straight chalk on his Final Four picks . . . . . . except for Arizona.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:37 am
by azgreg
Chicat wrote:Obama went straight chalk on his Final Four picks . . . . . . except for Arizona.
http://games.espn.go.com/tournament-cha ... ID=6674346
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:43 am
by Spaceman Spiff
Longhorned wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Wisky is good enough to beat us if we aren't having an off game. No one else in our region is.
Baylor is good enough to beat Arizona on a neutral court on a given day. It wouldn't be the biggest upset in recent memory. None of this year's 2-seeds are safe against their 3-seeds. We talk about how good the 2-seeds are this year in particular, but the same goes for all four of the 3-seeds. Baylor will be a tough out. To disagree with Salim while stealing his own phrase, that game could be one anus-puckering dogfight that Arizona has to win by fighting its way into the paint and sticking like glue to their man on the perimeter to prevent the shot (rather than trying to close in on shooters in the act).
I'm not saying Baylor can't beat us, just that if we play a good game, they can't. Baylor needs us to play an average or poor game, Wisky can beat us if we play a good game and they play a really good game.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:00 am
by rgdeuce
Obama's bracket looks like a woman's. So vanilla.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:03 am
by Longhorned
rgdeuce wrote:
Obama's bracket looks like a woman's. So vanilla.
He doesn't follow college basketball, but his bracket does reflect the popular perception that Arizona is scary good for a 2-seed.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:03 am
by Chicat
rgdeuce wrote:
Obama's bracket looks like a woman's. So vanilla.
Picking underdogs in previous years hasn't worked out for him either.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:04 am
by Katzenfreund
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Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:04 am
by azgreg
Longhorned wrote:rgdeuce wrote:
Obama's bracket looks like a woman's. So vanilla.
He doesn't follow college basketball, but his bracket does reflect the popular perception that Arizona is scary good for a 2-seed.
It's a pick against Scott Walker.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:17 am
by gumby
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Katzenfreund wrote:Well, they think that we're not that good and that they'll beat us.
It's all how you play that day. Sean Miller can't get it done. Arizona's defense is amazing and they have a lot of height, but that same amazing team lost of Oregon State and UNLV on the road. UA has not lost at home, but they're not at home. It may be Pac 12 country, but it's not Tuscon.
How did UNLV win? Poor shooting, out-rebounded them, second chance points, clogging the lanes to take the charges, foul trouble, and poor FT shooting. UNLV also has good length.
How did Oregon State win? Poor shooting & turnovers.
The coaches know the recipe to get it done, but it's all dependent on how the kids play that day. No doubt Arizona is a good team, but they're not all they're hyped up to be. They're big, they're athletic, they play good defense (they held the Beavers to 34 points in the rematch), but they don't block very much.
Tell that to Michigan State and Kansas State! No one thought we could beat them two traditional basketball powers at their home court. Trust me, Arizona could never beat MSU in Lansing.
R
Uh, what team's board is that from? If it isn't Wisconsin, I'll have some of whatever they're smoking.
One of the great fallacies is that there's a blueprint to beat a team because someone did. Most all teams lose, and it's usually because they got outplayed in some facet of the game. If everything went peachy @ UNLV, OSU and ASU, we wouldn't have lost those games. We crushed a number of other teams with that profile.
Wisky is good enough to beat us if we aren't having an off game. No one else in our region is.
Right, but some fan will always post, "they got exposed!" Then that same team will run off a winning streak.
You play like crap, you lose. There's the expose (with the accent).
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:20 am
by gumby
Chicat wrote:Obama went straight chalk on his Final Four picks . . . . . . except for Arizona.
Thanks, Jan Brewer! All the candidates will pick the Iowa teams to go far.
Here's Jeb's.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/18/upsho ... 0002&abg=0
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:29 am
by Spaceman Spiff
gumby wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Katzenfreund wrote:Well, they think that we're not that good and that they'll beat us.
It's all how you play that day. Sean Miller can't get it done. Arizona's defense is amazing and they have a lot of height, but that same amazing team lost of Oregon State and UNLV on the road. UA has not lost at home, but they're not at home. It may be Pac 12 country, but it's not Tuscon.
How did UNLV win? Poor shooting, out-rebounded them, second chance points, clogging the lanes to take the charges, foul trouble, and poor FT shooting. UNLV also has good length.
How did Oregon State win? Poor shooting & turnovers.
The coaches know the recipe to get it done, but it's all dependent on how the kids play that day. No doubt Arizona is a good team, but they're not all they're hyped up to be. They're big, they're athletic, they play good defense (they held the Beavers to 34 points in the rematch), but they don't block very much.
Tell that to Michigan State and Kansas State! No one thought we could beat them two traditional basketball powers at their home court. Trust me, Arizona could never beat MSU in Lansing.
R
Uh, what team's board is that from? If it isn't Wisconsin, I'll have some of whatever they're smoking.
One of the great fallacies is that there's a blueprint to beat a team because someone did. Most all teams lose, and it's usually because they got outplayed in some facet of the game. If everything went peachy @ UNLV, OSU and ASU, we wouldn't have lost those games. We crushed a number of other teams with that profile.
Wisky is good enough to beat us if we aren't having an off game. No one else in our region is.
Right, but some fan will always post, "they got exposed!" Then that same team will run off a winning streak.
You play like crap, you lose. There's the expose (with the accent).
Yeah, when you consider the 1996 Bulls got exposed 10 times, it's a miracle they won the championship. After all, if you stopped Michael Jordan and made all your shots, they really struggled. The blueprint was pretty simple.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:15 pm
by Merkin
Guess we don't need to worry about Wisconsin:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/ ... O#image=11
10 Upsets That Will Happen In The 2015 NCAA Tournament
1. NO. 15 TEXAS SOUTHERN OVER NO. 2 ARIZONA
Look out! There will be a No. 15 beating a No. 2 once again. Texas Southern has already slain the Michigan State Spartans and the Kansas State Wildcats, and they've done so on the road. Believe the unbelievable, and expect the Texas Southern Tigers to best the Arizona Wildcats in dramatic upset fashion this Thursday.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:18 pm
by Chicat
At least now I don't have to set my DVR and I can just move on with my life...
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:34 pm
by gumby
Bulletin bored material.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:09 am
by Puerco
Katzenfreund wrote:Well, they think that we're not that good and that they'll beat us.
It's all how you play that day. Sean Miller can't get it done. Arizona's defense is amazing and they have a lot of height, but that same amazing team lost of Oregon State and UNLV on the road. UA has not lost at home, but they're not at home. It may be Pac 12 country, but it's not Tuscon.
How did UNLV win? Poor shooting, out-rebounded them, second chance points, clogging the lanes to take the charges, foul trouble, and poor FT shooting. UNLV also has good length.
How did Oregon State win? Poor shooting & turnovers.
The coaches know the recipe to get it done, but it's all dependent on how the kids play that day. No doubt Arizona is a good team, but they're not all they're hyped up to be. They're big, they're athletic, they play good defense (they held the Beavers to 34 points in the rematch), but they don't block very much.
Tell that to Michigan State and Kansas State! No one thought we could beat them two traditional basketball powers at their home court. Trust me, Arizona could never beat MSU in Lansing.
So the recipe to beat Arizona is to hope they shoot poor from the field and from the stripe? Yeah, okay. Can't argue that.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:34 am
by Spaceman Spiff
You forgot making more points than we do. That is always the most underrated strategy, and it works almost all the time.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:39 am
by Frybry02
"So you're telling me there's a chance?"
if arizona has a piss poor outing like the 3 losses . . . Yes there is a chance.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:51 pm
by ASUHATER!
Well I guess I don't have to worry about Baylor
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:53 pm
by azcat34
ASUHATER! wrote:Well I guess I don't have to worry about Baylor
LOL, who is up next for you to freak out about for no discernible reason?
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:54 pm
by ASUHATER!
azcat34 wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:Well I guess I don't have to worry about Baylor
LOL, who is up next for you to freak out about for no discernible reason?
There was a very valid reason to worry about Baylor. Beyond extremely valid reason. But now we don't.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:03 pm
by threenumberones
ASUHATER! wrote:azcat34 wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:Well I guess I don't have to worry about Baylor
LOL, who is up next for you to freak out about for no discernible reason?
There was a very valid reason to worry about Baylor. Beyond extremely valid reason. But now we don't.
Thank god I'm not you. I bet you can find a way to hate a blowjob.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:07 pm
by ASUHATER!
Your posts makes no sense. Why would I hate us getting an easier road with our toughest obstacle to the elite 8 removed? You people and you nonexistent reading skills...
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:24 pm
by AZCatGirl
Merkin wrote:Guess we don't need to worry about Wisconsin:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/ ... O#image=11
10 Upsets That Will Happen In The 2015 NCAA Tournament
1. NO. 15 TEXAS SOUTHERN OVER NO. 2 ARIZONA
Look out! There will be a No. 15 beating a No. 2 once again. Texas Southern has already slain the Michigan State Spartans and the Kansas State Wildcats, and they've done so on the road. Believe the unbelievable, and expect the Texas Southern Tigers to best the Arizona Wildcats in dramatic upset fashion this Thursday.
21 point win. Great call.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:29 pm
by Main Event
1 game at a time
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:37 pm
by thenewazcats
ASUHATER! wrote:azcat34 wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:Well I guess I don't have to worry about Baylor
LOL, who is up next for you to freak out about for no discernible reason?
There was a very valid reason to worry about Baylor. Beyond extremely valid reason. But now we don't.
I don't know about that. They play a zone. Did UNLV and ASU play a zone? I know OSU did. We crushed them the second time around. We've gotten better and better against zones. That's not a weakness as much as some think.
And offensive rebounding? We are the best defensive rebounding team in at least 18 years. We take their greatest strength and minimize it. Just because you were wary doesn't mean there was a valid reason. No one else was freaking about a team that lost its first round matchup. That should tell you something.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:38 pm
by thenewazcats
Watching this game, I think we clearly want to play OSU. Russell is overrated. VCU plays really quick. I think we win but they would be the tougher opponent.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:41 pm
by threenumberones
Watching this game - OSU or VCU, don't even give a crap. We are going to beat either by double digits. Respect Shaka more but it doesn't even matter.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:41 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
ASUHATER! wrote:azcat34 wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:Well I guess I don't have to worry about Baylor
LOL, who is up next for you to freak out about for no discernible reason?
There was a very valid reason to worry about Baylor. Beyond extremely valid reason. But now we don't.
I have posted this at least 4 times but: Scott Drew.
That invalidates any reasoning you have. Scott Drew.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:19 pm
by rgdeuce
thenewazcats wrote:Watching this game, I think we clearly want to play OSU. Russell is overrated. VCU plays really quick. I think we win but they would be the tougher opponent.
Come on man, Russell is not overrated
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:21 pm
by azgreg
rgdeuce wrote:thenewazcats wrote:Watching this game, I think we clearly want to play OSU. Russell is overrated. VCU plays really quick. I think we win but they would be the tougher opponent.
Come on man, Russell is not overrated
He's fun to watch.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:25 pm
by rgdeuce
We got answers for Russell, not worried about OSU
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:34 pm
by Chicat
rgdeuce wrote:We got answers for Russell, not worried about OSU
Not overrated.
Also not unstoppable.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:41 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Russell is a good player, but we set up perfectly to stop him.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:55 pm
by Harvey Specter
ASUHATER! wrote:Insanely tough road. Just brutal
Georgia State must not have gotten the memo; they clearly were not as petrified as you were of they offensive rebounding, zone defense running juggernaut from Waco. Who lost their 10th game of the season today after coming from a conference that was clearly overrated...
So we have Ohio State, and then (God willing) Georgia State or Xavier. Not exactly my definition of "brutal". We get that far and Wiscy is tough, but not any more so than 2-3 other teams.
We could lose any game, but this bracket set up well for us from the start... And even better now.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 4:57 pm
by ASUHATER!
What does my opinion of 4 days have to do with a Georgia state team I've never met? Talk about strange tangents.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:06 pm
by gumby
It means it wasn't "insanely brutal " to begin with.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:10 pm
by 97cats
Arizona should beat the shit out of Ohio State
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:13 pm
by CBCat
Harvey Specter wrote:ASUHATER! wrote:Insanely tough road. Just brutal
Georgia State must not have gotten the memo; they clearly were not as petrified as you were of they offensive rebounding, zone defense running juggernaut from Waco. Who lost their 10th game of the season today after coming from a conference that was clearly overrated...
So we have Ohio State, and then (God willing) Georgia State or Xavier. Not exactly my definition of "brutal". We get that far and Wiscy is tough, but not any more so than 2-3 other teams.
We could lose any game, but this bracket set up well for us from the start... And even better now.
I had Georgia St.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:15 pm
by threenumberones
97cats wrote:Arizona should beat the shit out of Ohio State
Yes
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:24 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
97cats wrote:Arizona should beat the shit out of Ohio State
My major area of concern is how utterly confident I feel vs OSU.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:36 pm
by Longhorned
threenumberones wrote:97cats wrote:Arizona should beat the shit out of Ohio State
Yes
Some asshole somewhere disagrees.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:40 pm
by 84Cat
AZ is 8 pt favorite.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:50 pm
by SCCats
84Cat wrote:AZ is 8 pt favorite.
8 is interesting
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:57 pm
by WildHolcs
We'll sick Rondae and even Stanley sometimes on Russell and make this game a living hell for him. F OSU, paybacks coming for that bs a few years ago...
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:01 pm
by Longhorned
WildHolcs wrote:We'll sick Rondae and even Stanley sometimes on Russell and make this game a living hell for him. F OSU, paybacks coming for that bs a few years ago...
My guess is that Rondae only sits when Russell sits. If Russel plays 40 minutes, so does Rondae.
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:10 pm
by WildHolcs
Longhorned wrote:WildHolcs wrote:We'll sick Rondae and even Stanley sometimes on Russell and make this game a living hell for him. F OSU, paybacks coming for that bs a few years ago...
My guess is that Rondae only sits when Russell sits. If Russel plays 40 minutes, so does Rondae.
Yup, I agree. Nice knowing tho if rondae picks up a few quick bs fouls we can put stan on him. Either way, he's going to have to WORK for his pts - more than he has all year
Re: Wisconsin and the West
Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:12 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Longhorned wrote:WildHolcs wrote:We'll sick Rondae and even Stanley sometimes on Russell and make this game a living hell for him. F OSU, paybacks coming for that bs a few years ago...
My guess is that Rondae only sits when Russell sits. If Russel plays 40 minutes, so does Rondae.
TJ can shoulder some of the load too. Having a fresh guy now and again has its benefits.