2018 Non-Arizona March Madness Game Thread

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:25 pm

Someone needs to tell Nevada that the halftime layup drills are over.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:43 pm

LofC plays incredible defense. They take EVERTHING to the rack. They have a great chance of getting to the FF

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:58 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:
azgreg wrote:Michigan can't miss.
More evidence (that we don’t need) that the tourney is an absolute crapshoot. They shouldn’t even be on the floor today except for an epic meltdown and a prayer shot.
yet they would probably easily beat any team in the country the way they are playing today

I guess that’s the point. Sometimes you are Michigan, sometimes you are Texas A&M. And nothing to be done about it. It’s a crapshoot.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:07 pm

I do not understand that strategy by Musselman. 6 second difference, down 1 and no foul?

I mean, it's a choice, but it seems like a bad one.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:09 pm

Throw it down the court and let someone touch it.lob it up

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:20 pm

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:29 pm

How great is this?

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:46 pm

For some reason I feel like Kansas State wins this game

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:54 pm

jsbowl16 · Post by **jsbowl16** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:41 pm

Are these pac 12 refs at the Kentucky game?

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:57 pm

Must be, 29 fouls on k state.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:04 pm

Theses refs don't want K State to have 5 guys left to finish this game

Unreal

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:06 pm

Dean Wade has barely played, Sneed fouled out, and yet...

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:09 pm

K-State is infinity times tougher than our team. So weird seeing impassioned leaders in the huddle. And they win

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:10 pm

guards guards guards

I loved listening to Chris Webber, btw

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:11 pm

So either Kansas goddamn State or Loyola of goddamn Chicago will be in the final 4

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:13 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:So either Kansas goddamn State or Loyola of goddamn Chicago will be in the final 4

They both have something we didn't have this year

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:14 pm

prh wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:So either Kansas goddamn State or Loyola of goddamn Chicago will be in the final 4
They both have something we didn't have this year

guards?

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:15 pm

97cats wrote:
prh wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:So either Kansas goddamn State or Loyola of goddamn Chicago will be in the final 4
They both have something we didn't have this year
guards?

tenacious ones

Even the Loyola guards would have wreaked havoc with ours

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:19 pm

preach

Florida St too

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:21 pm

One day Arizona will have all the lucky things and right things happen to it that seemingly every other program gets.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:22 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:One day Arizona will have all the lucky things and right things happen to it that seemingly every other program gets.

like tough, consistent, smart, guard play?

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:25 pm

Congrats to Mark Few on his sixth S16 exit

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:26 pm

97cats wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:One day Arizona will have all the lucky things and right things happen to it that seemingly every other program gets.
like tough, consistent, smart, guard play?

Or that one game where you can't miss ala Wisconsin

prh · Post by **prh** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:27 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:Congrats to Mark Few on his sixth S16 exit

And they got smoked by a program that is basically collect long athletes and roll the ball out

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:27 pm

ASUHATER! wrote: Or that one game where you can't miss ala Wisconsin

well said

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:28 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:Congrats to Mark Few on his sixth S16 exit

That is actually a very good accomplishment for small school like Gonzaga. Not many coaches have accomplished that much from a power 5 school.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:28 pm

prh wrote: And they got smoked by a program that is basically collect long athletes and roll the ball out

guards - lots of capable ones

jajoyce · Post by **jajoyce** » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:35 pm

97cats wrote:
prh wrote: And they got smoked by a program that is basically collect long athletes and roll the ball out
guards - lots of capable ones

97, you got any eligibility left?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:45 am

Offense and defense both win championships. But guard play wins them most of all.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:41 am

Watching yesterday’s games, and comparing to our own this season, it’s clear we would’ve had a s16 ceiling if we even got past Kentucky.

Our guard play was atrocious and it took specifically and objectively focusing on the guard play of the s16 teams to see/acknowledge that.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:02 am

jajoyce wrote:
97, you got any eligibility left?

lol -- weeeeeeeeeeeellll...

dont you know im fresh out!!?!?!?!

i needed a little Kentucky Fried Movie in my life

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:14 am

2010-Millers first year, but gave a lot of heart
2011-Toughest teams survive, nastiness is required
2012-Shit show because of thatever that fucks name was
2013-Toughness
2014-Nasty team that played together and smart
2015-Nasty team that played together and smart
2016-Started getting soft
2017-Semi tough team but Lauri didnt want the ball and the one guy that was everything you wanted out of PG outside of talent was in foul trouble
2018-Got punked

My suggestion, get tough smart guys who want the damn ball, not punks who a mental midgets that crumble under pressure

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:08 am

PHXCATS wrote:2010-Millers first year, but gave a lot of heart
2011-Toughest teams survive, nastiness is required
2012-Shit show because of thatever that fucks name was
2013-Toughness
2014-Nasty team that played together and smart
2015-Nasty team that played together and smart
2016-Started getting soft
2017-Semi tough team but Lauri didnt want the ball and the one guy that was everything you wanted out of PG outside of talent was in foul trouble
2018-Got punked

My suggestion, get tough smart guys who want the damn ball, not punks who a mental midgets that crumble under pressure

What's interesting to me about this, in hindsight, is looking at which recruits we prioritized (and maybe even landed) versus the ones we passed on. Which guys that we passed on turned out to be tough and smart college players?

Bigger issue, though: our prep evaluation needs to be tighter. As much as I love Trier, was there someone else in his class -- maybe even a 4 year guy -- who would've been a more valuable player in March? I'd ask the same about Rawle. I love those two, but what do we have to show for their time at AZ?

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:40 am

It's depressing watching these teams that are less talented make it so far in the tournament. I can't decide if I should keep watching or not.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:55 am

DrWildcat wrote:It's depressing watching these teams that are less talented make it so far in the tournament. I can't decide if I should keep watching or not.

It's crazy, isn't it? It makes the notion of "talent" seem silly or irrelevant. I mean, Duke is still around, so there's that. They've arguably supplanted UK as the nation's leader in one-and-done-ism. I really hope Cuse beats them tonight.

But yeah, I wonder how many guys on Loyola, K-State or Nevada were recruited by Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, or UNC. Coaches who can do more with "less" are really something. How did Brad Stevens take Butler to back to back FFs?

catgrad97 · Post by **catgrad97** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:01 pm

97cats wrote:
jajoyce wrote:
97, you got any eligibility left?
lol -- weeeeeeeeeeeellll...

dont you know im fresh out!!?!?!?!

i needed a little Kentucky Fried Movie in my life

97cats and Samuel L. Bronkowitz present:

"That's Millergeddon"?

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:22 pm

catgrad97 wrote:
97cats wrote:
jajoyce wrote:
97, you got any eligibility left?
lol -- weeeeeeeeeeeellll...

dont you know im fresh out!!?!?!?!

i needed a little Kentucky Fried Movie in my life
97cats and Samuel L. Bronkowitz present:

"That's Millergeddon"?

Or "Catholic High School Recruiting in trouble"

DrWildcat · Post by **DrWildcat** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:36 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:It's depressing watching these teams that are less talented make it so far in the tournament. I can't decide if I should keep watching or not.
It's crazy, isn't it? It makes the notion of "talent" seem silly or irrelevant. I mean, Duke is still around, so there's that. They've arguably supplanted UK as the nation's leader in one-and-done-ism. I really hope Cuse beats them tonight.

But yeah, I wonder how many guys on Loyola, K-State or Nevada were recruited by Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, or UNC. Coaches who can do more with "less" are really something. How did Brad Stevens take Butler to back to back FFs?

Talent is important as the probability of winning definitely goes up when you have more talent than the other team. We just didn't have the right talent at the guard spots. All our guards had pretty much the same weakness, can't defend and can't create for others off the dribble. Trier was the only one who could create but in isolation. This effectively eliminated our advantage on the inside.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 4:46 pm

catgrad97 wrote:
97cats and Samuel L. Bronkowitz present:

"That's Millergeddon"?

well played....well, well played

threenumberones · Post by **threenumberones** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:18 pm

catgrad97 wrote:
97cats wrote:
jajoyce wrote:
97, you got any eligibility left?
lol -- weeeeeeeeeeeellll...

dont you know im fresh out!!?!?!?!

i needed a little Kentucky Fried Movie in my life
97cats and Samuel L. Bronkowitz present:

"That's Millergeddon"?

I just spit my beer all over the bar well done

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:28 pm

Beachcat97 wrote:
DrWildcat wrote:It's depressing watching these teams that are less talented make it so far in the tournament. I can't decide if I should keep watching or not.
It's crazy, isn't it? It makes the notion of "talent" seem silly or irrelevant. I mean, Duke is still around, so there's that. They've arguably supplanted UK as the nation's leader in one-and-done-ism. I really hope Cuse beats them tonight.

But yeah, I wonder how many guys on Loyola, K-State or Nevada were recruited by Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, or UNC. Coaches who can do more with "less" are really something. How did Brad Stevens take Butler to back to back FFs?

Stevens had some talent. Gordon Hayward is an NBA all star and Shelvin Mack has had a legit NBA career. Butler was a midmajor who scored some really legit talent. Their NC game against UConn was also probably the worst NC game of all time.

Butler is an anomaly. Most Cinderellas hit one year and disappear. Gonzaga is basically the only midmajor that has legit turned into a consistent contender.

prh · Post by **prh** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:48 pm

2 minutes left in first half of Duke game. Duke in double bonus and has shot something like 16 FTs. Syracuse has shot 2 FTs, since Duke has only been whistled for 4 team fouls.

Earlier, in the Nova-WVU game, Nova was in double bonus with 10 ish minutes left, and had only been whistled for 4 fouls with about 6 minutes left.

You can't keep telling me that college officiating is not biased

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:41 pm

West Virginia fouls a lot. Duke is duke and refs have posters of coach k on their ceilings. College officiating is biased, I'm not sure it's possible to be human and unbiased, even if you are trying not to be.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:55 pm

About Loyola, I think they are here to stay, they have some nice upperclassmen that will be back.
They have a good coach.
They have some history (a natty in 63?)
They have a good local recruiting base and are gonna be cool for a few years after this.
They play in a decent league (multiple bids in years past) that has a power vacuum since Wichita st left.
They have sister Jean.

Calling it. The next gonzaga/butler/wichita st. Is Loyola Chicago.
I was expecting it to be northern Iowa but I hadn't called it yet so....

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:57 pm

These commentators are definitely one sided. Allen is 3/14 from three and they keep hyping every shot he takes. "That's a good shot for him, though." One of Jay Bilas, Grant Hill, or Dookie V are calling every fucking Duke game.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:06 pm

This Duke team is going to play someone half way decent, miss all these open jumpers and be out of the tournament.

Not tonight, but soon.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:30 pm

The only good news here is that either Duke or Kansas won’t be going to the Final Four. On the other hand one of them will.

zonagrad · Post by **zonagrad** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:07 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:The only good news here is that either Duke or Kansas won’t be going to the Final Four. On the other hand one of them will.

I can stomach Kansas in the Final Four much more than Duke.

RichardCranium · Post by **RichardCranium** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 12:45 am

zonagrad wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:The only good news here is that either Duke or Kansas won’t be going to the Final Four. On the other hand one of them will.
I can stomach Kansas in the Final Four much more than Duke.

Yeah, but it's sorta like saying you would rather have your eyes poked out by Saddam Hussein's amputated toes instead of a red hot poker shoved up your ass by Robert Mugabe's pet chimpanzee.

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