2019/2020 Non PAC-12 Game Thread

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:50 am

GCU lost to Davenport last night. Ouch.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:50 pm

Gotta love those Virginia games. Beat Syracuse 48-34 tonight

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:08 am

ASUHATER! wrote:Gotta love those Virginia games. Beat Syracuse 48-34 tonight

UVA scored 0.81 points per possession... that is NOT GREAT

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:17 am

YoDeFoe wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Gotta love those Virginia games. Beat Syracuse 48-34 tonight
UVA scored 0.81 points per possession... that is NOT GREAT

What is the metric for an efficient team?

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:22 am

azgreg wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:Gotta love those Virginia games. Beat Syracuse 48-34 tonight
UVA scored 0.81 points per possession... that is NOT GREAT
What is the metric for an efficient team?

1.0 is average-ish - below that and you're struggling. Even 1.0 usually isn't enough to win a game. 1.2 would be exceptional (so on the flip side, 0.8 is exceptionally bad).

They held Syracuse to 0.6, which is absurdly bad.

Edit: A top 100 offense should score 1.05 ppp... a top 50, 1.10 ppp... a top 10, 1.15 ppp. The lowest avg ppp last season was 0.85. So let's call 1.10 average for a quality team.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:48 am

Illinois plays at GCU tonight in Glendale. Guess they blew a 20 point lead before beating Nicholls St on OT at home

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:17 pm

azcat49 wrote:Illinois plays at GCU tonight in Glendale. Guess they blew a 20 point lead before beating Nicholls St on OT at home

I'm chomping at the bit for this game.

Two players to watch on Illinois: soph guard Ayo Dosunmu who has gotten All American chatter and frosh monster center Kofi Cockburn.

Dosunmu plays well in transition, has an elite first step (making him great on hand-offs and cuts), and is an excellent three point shooter off the catch or single dribble. His quickness and size make him a threat to jump passing lanes on the other side. However, he's not a good decision maker in the half court and can't create his own shot (beyond running past his guy).

Cockburn is 7'0" 290lbs - guy is a brick wall.... but also, he moves like a brick wall. Not a leaper or a lateral movement guy, but he's a big wide body that is tough to get around. Kind of a Zeus-like defender if Zeus was a fifty pounds heavier and moved at three quarter speed - won't get many blocks but will alter shots / drives at the rim. Nice touch around the rim but no range and questionable free throw shooting.

Illinois should smoke GCU (who lost to a D2 team to tip off the season).

But I really like what we can do against their guards with Baker, Green, Smith, Doutrive (??). We should have the athletes and length to keep up with their speed, and the discipline (god willing) to force them into their habit of turnovers.

And I like what we can do against their bigs who are relatively limited athletically on defense and in skill on the offensive side. Cockburn may be a mountain but he'll have his hands full keeping up with our more nimble bigs.

Can't wait.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:27 pm

They run 3 guards and got 50+ from them in that first game. They feel they are an upper level BIG 10 team and think this road trip will cement their tourney status

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:35 pm

azcat49 wrote:They run 3 guards and got 50+ from them in that first game. They feel they are an upper level BIG 10 team and think this road trip will cement their tourney status

Three guards and none of them are real playmaking PGs, despite being 6'2", 6'2" and 6'5". 12 assists and 23 turnovers in that game, total, with 8 assists and 9 TO's for those three guards.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:40 pm

Woe those turnovers are Kansas-esque

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:55 pm

James Wiseman declared ineligible??

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:59 pm

Chicat wrote:James Wiseman declared ineligible??

Yep although the incident happened in 2018, not 2008

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:02 pm

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:04 pm

So something that happened 11 years ago when the kid was like in 2nd grade makes him ineligible?

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 pm

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:14 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:So something that happened 11 years ago when the kid was like in 2nd grade makes him ineligible?

2018 bro

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:22 pm

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:27 pm

84Cat wrote:
2018 bro

if thats the case - not lame

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:29 pm

84Cat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:So something that happened 11 years ago when the kid was like in 2nd grade makes him ineligible?
2018 bro

Ah everything online about it said 2008

prh · Post by **prh** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:30 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
84Cat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:So something that happened 11 years ago when the kid was like in 2nd grade makes him ineligible?
2018 bro
Ah everything online about it said 2008

Everyone keeps writing 2008, but it occurred was when he was in high school

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:41 pm

prh wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:
84Cat wrote:
ASUHATER! wrote:So something that happened 11 years ago when the kid was like in 2nd grade makes him ineligible?
2018 bro
Ah everything online about it said 2008
Everyone keeps writing 2008, but it occurred was when he was in high school

CatMG · Post by **CatMG** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:15 pm

Dumb question. How could a court issue a stay and allow him to play? NCAA sets its rules. Usually teams appeal BUT are afraid to play a player that could be deemed ineligible. Is Memphis taking a risk here? Not that I am siding with the NCAA and their ridiculous rules.

Post by **UAdevil** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 6:44 pm

Seems odd that a local court would have any say in the matter. If this is OK what would stop potentially biased city courts in Durham, Lawrence, Lexington, etc from having their city's bball team's back in all matter of NCAA actions?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:09 pm

Illinois killing the Lopes on the O glass and getting to the FT line, but only up 4 at half.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:19 pm

Who is better, NAU or GCU?

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:37 pm

Since this is technically a non conference game i guess it goes here. Can someone explain to me why Colorado and ASSu agreed to play a non conference game in China?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:39 pm

Don't know about Buffy, but the Shitshovels just wanted someone, anyone to watch them play.

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:22 pm

azgreg wrote:Since this is technically a non conference game i guess it goes here. Can someone explain to me why Colorado and ASSu agreed to play a non conference game in China?

I'm guessing douchebag Larry Scott has something to do with it.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:27 pm

Dear lord....

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:57 pm

I mean..I know northwestern is historically the worst power 5 basketball program in the country but damn. Merrimack?

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:12 pm

Oregon St with a very nice road win at Iowa St. So far the conference has done very well in OOC games

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:26 pm

KenPom shows it was a hpme game for Oregon State.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:16 pm

Maybe it was? I saw the score and the way they had it listed I assumed OSU was the road team. Still a nice win by the conference

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:59 pm

St. Marys in trouble against Winthrop.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:54 pm

Evansville leads Kentucky at the half 34-30.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:02 pm

Down goes Kentucky.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:03 pm

Wow. Did not see that coming.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:06 pm

Whoops!

How long will Kentucky stay atop the rankings? The Wildcats don't have any true tests on their schedule until late December, when they face Ohio State in Las Vegas and then host Louisville. So get used to Calipari's Cats at No. 1.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-baske ... tucky-no-1" target="_blank

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:06 pm

That’s a terrible loss. Both for Kentucky and for Michigan State.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:06 pm

But we're the team Seth needs to wait and see on?

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 6:22 pm

Ohio State vs Villanova

Villanova are chuckers and Ohio State is trying to force everything inside. It's not a good game, but OSU is still winning big. I can't believe Nova is ranked #10.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Nov 13, 2019 7:39 pm

No team is transcendently good this year. Going to be a bunch of 4-6 loss teams vying for 1 seeds.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:51 pm

No way Pac 12 refs swallow the whistle like that in this Michigan State game.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:49 pm

Seth’s Pac-12 Final Four team is down by 12 and scored 28 points in the first half—Tennessee 40-28 over Washington.

YoDeFoe · Post by **YoDeFoe** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:15 pm

ByJoveByJingle wrote:Seth’s Pac-12 Final Four team is down by 12 and scored 28 points in the first half—Tennessee 40-28 over Washington.

Yeah this UW team hasn't figured out how to score yet. Defense was keeping them in games so far but they're allowing 50% from the field and 50% from three right now.

Phylek · Post by **Phylek** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:50 pm

Anyone have a stream for the Washington game?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:52 pm

YoDeFoe wrote:
ByJoveByJingle wrote:Seth’s Pac-12 Final Four team is down by 12 and scored 28 points in the first half—Tennessee 40-28 over Washington.
Yeah this UW team hasn't figured out how to score yet. Defense was keeping them in games so far but they're allowing 50% from the field and 50% from three right now.

They're out boarding the Vols 35-24!

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:40 pm

Anybody sad we didn't get blackshear?

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 7:57 pm

Is Kentucky going to be like us last year? I saw Utah Valley played them pretty close today. Keep in mind I'm only going off scores, as I haven't seen them play yet.

ByJoveByJingle · Post by **ByJoveByJingle** » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:26 pm

AZCatGirl wrote:Is Kentucky going to be like us last year? I saw Utah Valley played them pretty close today. Keep in mind I'm only going off scores, as I haven't seen them play yet.

It was a 4 point game most of the last 8 minutes in the game. They couldn’t really stop penetration and were generally poor on defense. They definitely need a lot of work.

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