2023 NCAA Tournament Thread

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:11 pm

That KSU MSU game was fantastic.

Nowell was HUGE!!!!

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:12 pm

That was some performance!

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:18 pm

We needed a Nowell

KaibabKat · Post by **KaibabKat** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:19 pm

Meanwhile, Arkansas appears to be going down. Maybe MuscleMan will rip off his pants and moon the crowd tonight.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:19 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:01 pm
84Cat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:57 pm Uconn looks to be moving on
Just shoot me please…

Isn't that what happens? If there isn't a dominant team, UConn wins it?

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:34 pm

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:19 pm
EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:01 pm
84Cat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:57 pm Uconn looks to be moving on
Just shoot me please…
Isn't that what happens? If there isn't a dominant team, UConn wins it?

They don’t do jack shit for a few years and boom, another ‘ship.

Pisses me off as their fan base here makes me want to puke.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:36 pm

I like Jerome tang, hope he wins it, I don't look ke Dan hurley that much.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:28 pm

Tenn in a bit of trouble

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:41 pm

FAU to the Elite Eight. Wow.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:43 pm

Peace out UT

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:11 pm

Gonzaga is playing stupid.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:07 pm

Can Miami do it? Magic 8 Ball says: Not likely.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:20 pm

Miami? Gotta check what San Diego State is doing.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:31 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:20 pm Miami? Gotta check what San Diego State is doing.

I looked away for a second!

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:33 pm

SDSU with momentum. Let's see if they can pull off the upset.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:38 pm

I remember when we beat SD State…

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:41 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:38 pm I remember when we beat SD State…

Just stop please…

And I’m sure Creighton will win too.

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:42 pm

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:38 pm I remember when we beat SD State…

We peaked in November. Ballo was unstoppable. 21/11 shooting 79%.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:43 pm

San Diego St is officially the best basketball team in the PAC 12

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:43 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:41 pm
Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:38 pm I remember when we beat SD State…
Just stop please…

And I’m sure Creighton will win too.

We have an endless supply of boards and nails.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:48 pm

SDSU couging it?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:49 pm

Mick must be in the immediate orbit cause those FTs ain't goin'.

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:54 pm

WTG, Aztecs!

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Man, no #1’s in the elite 8?

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Bye, Tide

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:55 pm

Fuck Alabama and Quinerly.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:57 pm

I've hated Bama longer than most of you have been alive, although football based, but this is fantastic.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:57 pm

And Houston getting killed!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 pm

Just proof the best teams rarely win this thing

Regular season matters

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:16 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 pm Just proof the best teams rarely win this thing

Regular season matters

Shouldn’t this mean regular season doesn’t mean shit?

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:16 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:02 pm Just proof the best teams rarely win this thing

Regular season matters

The best team in March always wins this thing.

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:21 pm

wyo-cat · Post by **wyo-cat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:27 pm

Down goes Houston.

arizonawildcats · Post by **arizonawildcats** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:29 pm

Catintheheat · Post by **Catintheheat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:32 pm

If Texas loses there will be no 1 or 2 seed remaining.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:00 pm

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:08 pm

So it makes me feel a little better that we gave Princeton their toughest game.

It's like one of those things that you say when you are a dad that you think should never come out of anyone's mouth like, "don't dump the sand out of your shoes into your brothers eyes"

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:56 pm

Texas: crushing ALL the passing lanes on defense; wide open in the lane on offense.

Xavier: the closer to the basket the less likely the ball is going in.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:27 pm

Vintage SM tourney ball.

Still can’t beat a zone

CardiacCats97 · Post by **CardiacCats97** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 5:10 am

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:27 pm Vintage SM tourney ball.

Still can’t beat a zone

Didn’t you say his teams were built for March?

Anyway, it wasn’t a typical tourney for CSM. He played a bunch of zone and his offense was wide open. This year he just ran into a much more talented team with a bunch of players that were holdovers from last year when they finished 7th in the Big East and missed the tourney for the fourth year in a row.

Not sure what he did to hurt you so bad but it may be time to let it go.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:20 am

Macho Grande · Post by **Macho Grande** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:13 am

CalStateTempe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:27 pm Vintage SM tourney ball.

Still can’t beat a zone

Works for me. It was already bad enough to lose in the first round. Sean getting to a FF this soon after failing to ever take us there might've been enough to make me sick.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:30 am

Merkin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:20 am

And, that significantly increasing parity actually makes a one-and-done tourney less and less likely to reward the best team!

Like most live TV, money buys viewers for advertisers, and rewards spectacle rather than true value!

TheCatInTheHat · Post by **TheCatInTheHat** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:50 am

People always seem to go "wow...look at the upsets", or "hey...what a Cinderalla story", but they never seem to discuss what a piss-poor seeding job the committee does. Everybody loves Cinderella, and everybody loves feeling smart picking the annual 12/5 upset. But it seems to me (and I'm not going to invest hours of research when it requires much more than that) that the process is unnecessarily flawed. 12 members on the selection committee, including conference commissioners and school athletic directors. Only 5 from P5 schools, so no conspiracy theory there. But none of them know shit about anything outside their own conferences, and they've got no basis for comparison. They inherit the methodology that didn't work from the previous committee and plug teams into it; the classic definition of insanity. It should be driven by (different) statistics. I don't have the answers to what should be a years-long detailed analysis; I'm just posing the problem statement. Maybe it involves historical success of a certain finish in a certain conference over the last five years, maybe it's heights and weights of starting players, maybe it's bank balances of certain referees. Who knows? But I'm sure there's more and better statistical correlation than just "somebody got hot", "somebody got motivated to win for a dying fan", or "somebody just decided to start playing defense." Maybe you hire somebody who sets odds with real money on the line. But I think sports books are structured to make plenty of money, regardless, so they're not necessarily motivated to spend more money to be more accurate. Maybe fewer people would gamble. And likewise, the NCAA is making plenty of TV revenue, so why bother? (The bad news is that upsets are a crowd-pleasing ratings-grabber, so there may actually be a motivation for poor seeding.) In any event, I'd like to see different people, a different process, and different data used.

pc in NM · Post by **pc in NM** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:00 pm

TheCatInTheHat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 11:50 am People always seem to go "wow...look at the upsets", or "hey...what a Cinderalla story", but they never seem to discuss what a piss-poor seeding job the committee does. Everybody loves Cinderella, and everybody loves feeling smart picking the annual 12/5 upset. But it seems to me (and I'm not going to invest hours of research when it requires much more than that) that the process is unnecessarily flawed. 12 members on the selection committee, including conference commissioners and school athletic directors. Only 5 from P5 schools, so no conspiracy theory there. But none of them know shit about anything outside their own conferences, and they've got no basis for comparison. They inherit the methodology that didn't work from the previous committee and plug teams into it; the classic definition of insanity. It should be driven by (different) statistics. I don't have the answers to what should be a years-long detailed analysis; I'm just posing the problem statement. Maybe it involves historical success of a certain finish in a certain conference over the last five years, maybe it's heights and weights of starting players, maybe it's bank balances of certain referees. Who knows? But I'm sure there's more and better statistical correlation than just "somebody got hot", "somebody got motivated to win for a dying fan", or "somebody just decided to start playing defense." Maybe you hire somebody who sets odds with real money on the line. But I think sports books are structured to make plenty of money, regardless, so they're not necessarily motivated to spend more money to be more accurate. Maybe fewer people would gamble. And likewise, the NCAA is making plenty of TV revenue, so why bother? (The bad news is that upsets are a crowd-pleasing ratings-grabber, so there may actually be a motivation for poor seeding.) In any event, I'd like to see different people, a different process, and different data used.

All one has to do to expose the deeply flawed reasoning involved here is to look back at multiple playoff series in the NBA where the eventual series winner has LOST the first game - many times in a blowout - to demonstrate that the inherent problem in the college playoff is the one-and-done format.

Period!

RondaeShimmy · Post by **RondaeShimmy** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:02 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:00 pm

This might be the last tough team Arizona has had.

There have been tough mf'er players that have played after, but no team collectively was as tough as that team, or has even come close to being tough.

EastCoastCat · Post by **EastCoastCat** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:21 pm

Top 8 seeds should get a first round bye or maybe like Baseball does and have double elimination and get to play at home. If you really want to crown the best team.

With even more parity than ever before because of the transfer portal and having good players staying 2 years at the most if you are lucky, what real advantage do the top seeds have on neutral courts? The answer is not much.

But it won't change because the NCAA wants to preserve the "Madness" because it means buku ratings and buku bucks.

Carcassdragger · Post by **Carcassdragger** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:29 pm

If KSU wins it, what does this do to Kansa s's recruiting and program?

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 1:30 pm

March Madness has always been the most exciting sporting event and worst way to actually crown a champion

Nothing has changed

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Mar 25, 2023 2:07 pm

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 12:21 pm Top 8 seeds should get a first round bye or maybe like Baseball does and have double elimination and get to play at home.

I recall in all of their infinite wisdom, one year the NCAA decided to make the softball championship a single game. Even though UA had the better team, and would have won 2 out of 3 they lost the one game. Can't remember if it was FSU, or UCLA. Maybe the Tanya Harding year?

But UA softball was really fucked over.

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