Problems at Texas A&M

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:09 pm

Second Scottsdale QB in last 4 years to go to a big Texas school and then to transfer.

Wonder if he's headed to ASSU.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:00 pm

Chicat wrote:Second Scottsdale QB in last 4 years to go to a big Texas school and then to transfer.

Wonder if he's headed to ASSU.

Highly unlikely. If he goes anywhere in the PAC i think Cal is his best bet

cordera89 · Post by **cordera89** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:00 pm

So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:14 pm

My first instinct when I heard he was transferring was . . .Michigan

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:19 pm

cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.

No, it does not mean that at all - unless you want to make sweeping generalization based on 2 data points. Brewer was pretty much a bust, but I am not sure I would classify Allen that way, certainly not yet. He played and started a lot his first 2 years, and had moments both good & bad - he just happens to see the writing on the wall with an exceptionally talented player a class behind him.

There have been a number of AZ kids that went out of state for college and ended up pretty high draft picks over the last several years. Not sure if your angle was "AZ HS talent does not pan out", but it's not accurate. Some highly rated kids just don't turn out as expected - no matter where they are from.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:20 pm

Frybry02 wrote:My first instinct when I heard he was transferring was . . .Michigan

Interesting thought... Would not be a bad move.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:40 pm

cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.

Allen has all the tools. A&M couldn't keep him upright and healthy as well as running an offense totally unsuited to his skills. He's athletic but rolling him out and run/pass option just isn't his deal.

Brewer got caught in a dumpster fire, but isn't close to the same type of prospect.

Would love to see him at Texas but I'm guessing 100% chance A&M blocks that.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:44 pm

the real dill wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
Allen has all the tools. A&M couldn't keep him upright and healthy as well as running an offense totally unsuited to his skills. He's athletic but rolling him out and run/pass option just isn't his deal.

Brewer got caught in a dumpster fire, but isn't close to the same type of prospect.

You think there is any chance Allen considers Texas?

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:50 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
the real dill wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
Allen has all the tools. A&M couldn't keep him upright and healthy as well as running an offense totally unsuited to his skills. He's athletic but rolling him out and run/pass option just isn't his deal.

Brewer got caught in a dumpster fire, but isn't close to the same type of prospect.
You think there is any chance Allen considers Texas?

I think I edited my above post while you were posting.

Trevor Knight transferring too, but likely also blocked from Texas.

Feldman is saying OU for Allen. Weak.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:56 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
No, it does not mean that at all - unless you want to make sweeping generalization based on 2 data points. Brewer was pretty much a bust, but I am not sure I would classify Allen that way, certainly not yet. He played and started a lot his first 2 years, and had moments both good & bad - he just happens to see the writing on the wall with an exceptionally talented player a class behind him.

There have been a number of AZ kids that went out of state for college and ended up pretty high draft picks over the last several years. Not sure if your angle was "AZ HS talent does not pan out", but it's not accurate. Some highly rated kids just don't turn out as expected - no matter where they are from.

Allen likely would have been the starter again next year. He isn't transferring because of another incoming QB. He is transferring because Sumlin has created an absolute shit show. Don't be surprised if this is just the start. The locker room is fractured, particularly on offense.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:07 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
No, it does not mean that at all - unless you want to make sweeping generalization based on 2 data points. Brewer was pretty much a bust, but I am not sure I would classify Allen that way, certainly not yet. He played and started a lot his first 2 years, and had moments both good & bad - he just happens to see the writing on the wall with an exceptionally talented player a class behind him.

There have been a number of AZ kids that went out of state for college and ended up pretty high draft picks over the last several years. Not sure if your angle was "AZ HS talent does not pan out", but it's not accurate. Some highly rated kids just don't turn out as expected - no matter where they are from.
Allen likely would have been the starter again next year. He isn't transferring because of another incoming QB. He is transferring because Sumlin has created an absolute shit show. Don't be surprised if this is just the start. The locker room is fractured, particularly on offense.

Right or wrong, Murray is starting next year. That is the biggest part of the shitshow, Allen is s better but wasn't going to get a chance.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:14 pm

the real dill wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
No, it does not mean that at all - unless you want to make sweeping generalization based on 2 data points. Brewer was pretty much a bust, but I am not sure I would classify Allen that way, certainly not yet. He played and started a lot his first 2 years, and had moments both good & bad - he just happens to see the writing on the wall with an exceptionally talented player a class behind him.

There have been a number of AZ kids that went out of state for college and ended up pretty high draft picks over the last several years. Not sure if your angle was "AZ HS talent does not pan out", but it's not accurate. Some highly rated kids just don't turn out as expected - no matter where they are from.
Allen likely would have been the starter again next year. He isn't transferring because of another incoming QB. He is transferring because Sumlin has created an absolute shit show. Don't be surprised if this is just the start. The locker room is fractured, particularly on offense.
Right or wrong, Murray is starting next year. That is the biggest part of the shitshow, Allen is s better but wasn't going to get a chance.

Allen would have started next year. Murray is playing baseball all spring and into the summer on a squad that should get to the CWS. (Baseball is his better sport).

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:51 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
the real dill wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
No, it does not mean that at all - unless you want to make sweeping generalization based on 2 data points. Brewer was pretty much a bust, but I am not sure I would classify Allen that way, certainly not yet. He played and started a lot his first 2 years, and had moments both good & bad - he just happens to see the writing on the wall with an exceptionally talented player a class behind him.

There have been a number of AZ kids that went out of state for college and ended up pretty high draft picks over the last several years. Not sure if your angle was "AZ HS talent does not pan out", but it's not accurate. Some highly rated kids just don't turn out as expected - no matter where they are from.
Allen likely would have been the starter again next year. He isn't transferring because of another incoming QB. He is transferring because Sumlin has created an absolute shit show. Don't be surprised if this is just the start. The locker room is fractured, particularly on offense.
Right or wrong, Murray is starting next year. That is the biggest part of the shitshow, Allen is s better but wasn't going to get a chance.
Allen would have started next year. Murray is playing baseball all spring and into the summer on a squad that should get to the CWS. (Baseball is his better sport).

Correct on baseball. Incorrect on football. Murray has been promised some things. Fact. I have a pretty good guy on this. However, same guy says if said promise isn't reiterated, Murray may leave. As of now, Murray has been promised the start game 1 next year, and the A&M staff was open with Allen about it.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:27 pm

That's why Trent Dilfer is an ass

Main Event · Post by **Main Event** » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:35 pm

Saw that coming

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:53 pm

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 2:48 pm

RR sure loves collecting QBs.

azpenguin · Post by **azpenguin** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:12 pm

I doubt Arizona would have a shot at him but there's no harm in RichRod making the call. Assuming Solomon is healthy and goes into 2017 as the starter then it's Solomon, Dawkins, Tate, Modster, Werlinger. Allen would have to fight to break that rotation.

MrBug708 · Post by **MrBug708** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:16 pm

Unless he really doesnt fit into the system, he'd be the guy after Anu

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:37 pm

Apparently he is a sit in the pocket pro style passer which is not RR's system, so maybe it's just a courtesy call.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:59 pm

MrBug708 wrote:Unless he really doesnt fit into the system, he'd be the guy after Anu

Or the guy Anu's senior season...

Does not seem like a fit for us, and could raise eyebrows from Modster/ Tate. I just don't see that happening for either party.

If we start collecting QB's again I hope we can keep a few. All the highly rated transfers in we snagged never amounted to much, if anything.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 2:38 pm

Harvey Specter wrote:All the highly rated transfers in we snagged never amounted to much, if anything.

Seriously. Jerrard Randall demoted to 3rd string. Connor Brewer ended up transferring out after transferring in. Jesse Scroggins got more action from running into the team bus door than he did on the field, and couldn't even beat out zero star BJ Denker.

Randall, Brewer and Scroggins all top rated QBs that transferred in and really didn't make an impact. Randall did have some great runs though.

Not even sure if Tom Savage the Rutgers transfer should be listed.

Irish27 · Post by **Irish27** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:19 pm

Merkin wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:All the highly rated transfers in we snagged never amounted to much, if anything.
Seriously. Jerrard Randall demoted to 3rd string. Connor Brewer ended up transferring out after transferring in. Jesse Scroggins got more action from running into the team bus door than he did on the field, and couldn't even beat out zero star BJ Denker.

Randall, Brewer and Scroggins all top rated QBs that transferred in and really didn't make an impact. Randall did have some great runs though.

Not even sure if Tom Savage the Rutgers transfer should be listed.

John Rattay

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:27 pm

Denker sighting at TAMU.

http://www.12thman.com/coaches.aspx?rc= ... h=football" target="_blank

Fishclamps · Post by **Fishclamps** » Tue Dec 15, 2015 11:38 am

Merkin wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:All the highly rated transfers in we snagged never amounted to much, if anything.
Seriously. Jerrard Randall demoted to 3rd string. Connor Brewer ended up transferring out after transferring in. Jesse Scroggins got more action from running into the team bus door than he did on the field, and couldn't even beat out zero star BJ Denker.

Randall, Brewer and Scroggins all top rated QBs that transferred in and really didn't make an impact. Randall did have some great runs though.

Not even sure if Tom Savage the Rutgers transfer should be listed.

Cayleb Jones has done alright

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:29 pm

Wow. Murray is out too. Nothing like losing and causing a lockerroom divide by promising a kid a starting job only to have him bolt after 1 year.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:48 pm

the real dill wrote:Wow. Murray is out too. Nothing like losing and causing a lockerroom divide by promising a kid a starting job only to have him bolt after 1 year.

So when you said you have a "pretty good guy on this", you really meant you went to texags.com?

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:54 pm

Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
the real dill wrote:Wow. Murray is out too. Nothing like losing and causing a lockerroom divide by promising a kid a starting job only to have him bolt after 1 year.

So when you said you have a "pretty good guy on this", you really meant you went to texags.com?

No. The guy in the office next to mine has a son starting on their OL. I consider that pretty close to the program. It's not a big secret. It's been reported by Orangebloods, Texags, Gigem, etc. Allen was told he was competing for the back-up spot and everyone on the team knew about it. I'm not claiming I'm some inside reporter. I just happen to work with the dad of a player.

FWIW, Gigem is saying Christian Kirk and Speedy Noil may be gone too, but my buddy said that would be knews to him.

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:04 pm

the real dill wrote:
Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:
the real dill wrote:Wow. Murray is out too. Nothing like losing and causing a lockerroom divide by promising a kid a starting job only to have him bolt after 1 year.

So when you said you have a "pretty good guy on this", you really meant you went to texags.com?
No. The guy in the office next to mine has a son starting on their OL. I consider that pretty close to the program. It's not a big secret. It's been reported by Orangebloods, Texags, Gigem, etc. Allen was told he was competing for the back-up spot and everyone on the team knew about it. I'm not claiming I'm some inside reporter. I just happen to work with the dad of a player.

FWIW, Gigem is saying Christian Kirk and Speedy Noil may be gone too, but my buddy said that would be knews to him.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/LopezOnSports/statu ... 0688[tweet]

i have been hearing Speedy is gonna leave, but Kirk would be shocking. Kid just won SEC Freshman of the year honors. I guess having both your QB's bounce will encourage second thoughts though

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:07 pm

Fishclamps wrote:
Merkin wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:All the highly rated transfers in we snagged never amounted to much, if anything.
Seriously. Jerrard Randall demoted to 3rd string. Connor Brewer ended up transferring out after transferring in. Jesse Scroggins got more action from running into the team bus door than he did on the field, and couldn't even beat out zero star BJ Denker.

Randall, Brewer and Scroggins all top rated QBs that transferred in and really didn't make an impact. Randall did have some great runs though.

Not even sure if Tom Savage the Rutgers transfer should be listed.
Cayleb Jones has done alright

#NotAQuarterback

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:15 pm

[IMG] Originally Posted by nope [IMG]
kevin murray just followed the twitter accts of ou, ttech, texas, tcu, and oregon football

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:27 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:31 pm

So anyone know what the issue is? "Sumlin lost the team" is a little vague.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:40 pm

Chicat wrote:So anyone know what the issue is? "Sumlin lost the team" is a little vague.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/10/25/ ... ams-trust/" target="_blank

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:45 pm

the real dill wrote:
Chicat wrote:So anyone know what the issue is? "Sumlin lost the team" is a little vague.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/10/25/ ... ams-trust/" target="_blank

Yikes! What a mess.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:37 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:03 pm

the real dill wrote:
Chicat wrote:So anyone know what the issue is? "Sumlin lost the team" is a little vague.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/10/25/ ... ams-trust/" target="_blank

Ahhhhh.....

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:42 pm

UAEebs86 · Post by **UAEebs86** » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:47 pm

the real dill wrote:
Harvey Specter wrote:
the real dill wrote:
cordera89 wrote:So what that suppose to really mean that most of the top Arizona prospect don't pan out at a bigger school but to turn down an Arizona schools because their not better quality enough to attract.
Allen has all the tools. A&M couldn't keep him upright and healthy as well as running an offense totally unsuited to his skills. He's athletic but rolling him out and run/pass option just isn't his deal.

Brewer got caught in a dumpster fire, but isn't close to the same type of prospect.
You think there is any chance Allen considers Texas?
I think I edited my above post while you were posting.

Trevor Knight transferring too, but likely also blocked from Texas.

Feldman is saying OU for Allen. Weak.

My son's team was at a passing league tournament in Flagstaff when Allen was playing for Desert Mountain. I asked him how he looked, and he
said he was overrated, that the big 6'5" WR Mark Andrews made him look better than he was. He's at OU now.

Guess they are getting the band back together.

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:27 am

the real dill · Post by **the real dill** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:28 am

Merkin wrote:

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:58 pm

Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fanbase. Ass To Mouth fans are like ASSU fans on megaroids. Just absolutely clueless and obnoxious.

ASUHATER! · Post by **ASUHATER!** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 4:15 pm

splitsecond wrote:Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fanbase. Ass To Mouth fans are like ASSU fans on megaroids. Just absolutely clueless and obnoxious.

AZarchery · Post by **AZarchery** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:37 pm

Do we want Murray?

Scummy Dick Douglas · Post by **Scummy Dick Douglas** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:48 pm

AZarchery wrote:Do we want Murray?

I wouldn't. Kid is 5'8 and fragile. There is no way he is making it through a whole season healthy playing D1 football. If he is smart he is going to focus on baseball where his ceiling is much, much higher.

DaddyO'Cat · Post by **DaddyO'Cat** » Thu Dec 17, 2015 7:56 pm

ASUHATER! wrote:
splitsecond wrote:Couldn't have happened to a more deserving fanbase. Ass To Mouth fans are like ASSU fans on megaroids. Just absolutely clueless and obnoxious.

Coop Cat · Post by **Coop Cat** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:10 am

AZarchery wrote:Do we want Murray?

You get Murray, you get his awesome dad as well. Plus, read a lot about him going to JC and then in the MLB Draft. Kyle Allen, well that is a whole other story.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 12:39 pm

Good thing we don't want him, cuz we are not getting him anyway.

splitsecond · Post by **splitsecond** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:36 pm

Didn't we offer Kyle Allen?

I could see him ending up at Memphis with Mike Norvell.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:56 pm

splitsecond wrote:Didn't we offer Kyle Allen?

He was offered, but read (maybe here?) that the UA offer was just to answer the question: Why didn't you offer AZ player Kyle Allen?

although there was no mutual interest due to different styles of QBs.

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