UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:11 pm
If I am the Pac, I just walk into Amazon, Hulu, Sling, Netflix, etc. and say lets do a deal. Let's get creative. Lets use highly educated alums from the P12 to make it happen.
Cable is dead and there are so many other ways of viewing games now than just a deal with a network.
We're talking about who features our tier 1 games which are currently split between Fox and ESPN. We need one of those two, or Comcast/NBC or CBS, as a distribution platform. Clearly we can't just have those games on the Pac-12 Network, streaming (poorly) via Sling or Hulu Live.
I think we all understand after this decade of DirecTV-less media rights and "Pac-12 after dark" schedules how important it is to be on the right side of this. Walk into any bar in the country and you'll know that "cable" isn't dead. DirecTV is king because of NFL Sunday Ticket, so we need to be on DirecTV. But on what channel?
ESPN is going to prioritize the SEC now that they hold the entirety of the SEC media rights and are adding Texas and OU - so that removes ESPN/ABC. That leaves Fox, CBS, and Comcast/NBC. CBS is smarting after losing out on SEC rights to ESPN, now holding only non-P5 media rights. NBC has the rights to Notre Dame only. And Fox airs both B1G and Pac-12 games currently (though they share it with ESPN).
One of those three is going to want to step up and compete for TV time with the SEC/ESPN juggernaut.
I've got a buddy who works for the NFL Network. He told me the word is that Amazon is getting that Sunday Ticket deal next year away from Direct TV.
I find this incredibly unlikely. How is Amazon going to get Sunday Ticket on to televisions in sports bars across the country? They have to partner with local TV stations to broadcast Thursday Night Football for free over the air.
The world is changing rapidly my man. We've got little fire sticks on every flat screen in our house. The picture quality, audio, and access to games has far exceeded anything I ever had with Cable. The integration with Alexa and me switching games on different TVs is pretty seamless. There are some real smart people working for Amazon, Apple, etc. I'm sure they will come up with a very cheap easy solution for bars who want to show games. Its probably as easy being able to house all games on an iPad and just selecting which TV gets each game. Our Olympic experience on Hulu has been incredible and I can't even imagine trying to go back to cable. Plus I don't have to pay for multiple boxes or have tons of cords any longer.
All business deals are made with strategist forecasting the next 10 years not what is happening right now.
UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:11 pm
If I am the Pac, I just walk into Amazon, Hulu, Sling, Netflix, etc. and say lets do a deal. Let's get creative. Lets use highly educated alums from the P12 to make it happen.
Cable is dead and there are so many other ways of viewing games now than just a deal with a network.
We're talking about who features our tier 1 games which are currently split between Fox and ESPN. We need one of those two, or Comcast/NBC or CBS, as a distribution platform. Clearly we can't just have those games on the Pac-12 Network, streaming (poorly) via Sling or Hulu Live.
I think we all understand after this decade of DirecTV-less media rights and "Pac-12 after dark" schedules how important it is to be on the right side of this. Walk into any bar in the country and you'll know that "cable" isn't dead. DirecTV is king because of NFL Sunday Ticket, so we need to be on DirecTV. But on what channel?
ESPN is going to prioritize the SEC now that they hold the entirety of the SEC media rights and are adding Texas and OU - so that removes ESPN/ABC. That leaves Fox, CBS, and Comcast/NBC. CBS is smarting after losing out on SEC rights to ESPN, now holding only non-P5 media rights. NBC has the rights to Notre Dame only. And Fox airs both B1G and Pac-12 games currently (though they share it with ESPN).
One of those three is going to want to step up and compete for TV time with the SEC/ESPN juggernaut.
I've got a buddy who works for the NFL Network. He told me the word is that Amazon is getting that Sunday Ticket deal next year away from Direct TV.
I find this incredibly unlikely. How is Amazon going to get Sunday Ticket on to televisions in sports bars across the country? They have to partner with local TV stations to broadcast Thursday Night Football for free over the air.
The world is changing rapidly my man. We've got little fire sticks on every flat screen in our house. The picture quality, audio, and access to games has far exceeded anything I ever had with Cable. The integration with Alexa and me switching games on different TVs is pretty seamless. There are some real smart people working for Amazon, Apple, etc. I'm sure they will come up with a very cheap easy solution for bars who want to show games. Its probably as easy being able to house all games on an iPad and just selecting which TV gets each game. Our Olympic experience on Hulu has been incredible and I can't even imagine trying to go back to cable. Plus I don't have to pay for multiple boxes or have tons of cords any longer.
All business deals are made with strategist forecasting the next 10 years not what is happening right now.
I use Hulu Live at this point (after trying out Sling previously) and all of my TVs are connected to Amazon 4k Firesticks, so I'm there with you. I'd just be stunned to see every bar in America switch over their hardware to accommodate the change.
Then again, if anyone company could make it happen (and see a massive benefit for themselves following a huge capital expense and coordinated rollout) - it'd be Amazon.
May be I live in a small community with few OTA channels, but I have not an OTA station at a bar in decades. Usually Dish or Directv at the time I used to go bars, but most streaming now I imagine.
Even the jukebox went streaming 10 years ago or so.
Music in shops now is not radio, but Pandora or whatever.
Well, that is very disappointing. He must have heard from the campus presidents on not accepting any non-AAU schools, along with playing at shithole locations like Lubbock and Waco.
As was well stated earlier, the PAC picked up Utah and Colorado just to get the SLC and Denver markets.
Can't you use an antenna? I have one stuck on my family room wall and can get the NBC station 40 hilly miles away. You get much better resolution OTA than you do from streaming sites, and no buffering!
Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:20 am
Well, that is very disappointing. He must have heard from the campus presidents on not accepting any non-AAU schools, along with playing at shithole locations like Lubbock and Waco.
As was well stated earlier, the PAC picked up Utah and Colorado just to get the SLC and Denver markets.
Colorado is a high level research university and Utah... well they fit.
I'm glad to hear we won't be changing the composition of the Pac-12 by adding the leftovers of the Big XII. Texas Tech and Oklahoma State? Not Pac-12 schools, not by Texas Panhandle mile.
Can't you use an antenna? I have one stuck on my family room wall and can get the NBC station 40 hilly miles away. You get much better resolution OTA than you do from streaming sites, and no buffering!
I can't get any of the stations that broadcast from the Catalinas due to my next door neighbor's two story without putting an antenna on the roof and routing cable, and I'm renting.
I am using AT&T TV streaming for now as it is the only service that has locals and the Fox regionals.
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What’s the difference? The damage has already been done and the league will probably have to fold. I would love to see those member schools hit ESPIN with a Herculean lawsuit and win
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I wonder if the SEC knows that if Texas joins the horribly arrogant Longhorns regents would expect all the SEC schools to begin lining up and answering to them. Good thing for the SEC that a number of schools like Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and Florida wouldn't hesitate telling them to go F off. It's one reason I would NEVER want the Longhorns joining the Pac 12. The market share they would bring wouldn't be worth answering to the outsized egos in Austin.
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That's one thing I'm not sure the Texans would understand in the sec. They'd go from the emperor that tells everyone what to do to one of many rulers and they would not like that.
i was going to put the ua/asu records here...but i forgot what they were.
SEC votes unanimously to invite Texas and Oklahoma.
So I guess aTm, Arkansas, and Mizzou are getting something out of the bargain.
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Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
Hypothetical time. Let's say the big boys from teh PAC do in fact defect to the B1G and the remaining schools merge with the remaining schools of the Big XII. What do we call it?
Gonna be pretty funny when the SEC is a 24 team conference that still only plays 8 conference games.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
Part of the draw of college football is the tradition and connection to your University. At what point does this just become an NFL Minor League? If it is essentially 30 team professional type league why would anyone watch over the NFL?
azgreg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:05 pm
Hypothetical time. Let's say the big boys from teh PAC do in fact defect to the B1G and the remaining schools merge with the remaining schools of the Big XII. What do we call it?
Good thing I won’t have to get used to being in a premiere conference.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
If you want to see USC and Oregon
Leave then you combine and dilute the conference with leftovers.
Better come up with some unique things to stand out that’s for sure
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Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:09 am
Here we go…
PAC-12 and Big12 in talks to combine.
Good thing I won’t have to get used to being in a premiere conference.
Nah, it's more talks about possibly having a schedule alliance. There's no value in pooling with the other 8 Big12 schools. A B1G alliance makes more sense honestly and I think that's what ultimately occurs.
Chicat wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:09 am
Here we go…
PAC-12 and Big12 in talks to combine.
Good thing I won’t have to get used to being in a premiere conference.
Nah, it's more talks about possibly having a schedule alliance. There's no value in pooling with the other 8 Big12 schools. A B1G alliance makes more sense honestly and I think that's what ultimately occurs.
Are you telling me to read the article and not just the headline???
Look buddy, this is America……
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
The remaining Big 12 teams just provide zero value or excitement to me. I think they should join up with the AAC. Then let the P12 and Big 10 work out a partnership agreement.
UofAlum05 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:12 pm
The remaining Big 12 teams just provide zero value or excitement to me. I think they should join up with the AAC. Then let the P12 and Big 10 work out a partnership agreement.
I'm with you on all of this. To me, this is just the rest of the Big 12 trying to save itself.
No to anything that doesn't have Arizona with at least the S. Cal schools in our division. I don't want to trade trips to L.A. and Seattle for trips to Lubbock and Manhattan, KS. No thank you.
I'm not also not sure the USC's and the Oregon's of the world really want to leave. Imagine the Big-10 adding the four California PAC schools, what the schedule for USC would be. One game in LA, either home/away against USC, one game in the Bay Area, then four conference games in the Central Time Zone against current Big-10 schools. Is that really conducive to winning 10+ games on a consistent basis? Sure, The Ohio State would have to travel to California too, but only 2 trips to a completely different time zone versus four. Ask the NFL how much travel factors into games. Home teams win 55% to 60% of the time in the NFL, and travel distance is often a factor.
If the California schools and/or Oregon wants to leave, they are going to want to create a PAC-light version of whatever conference they go to. Keep the inter-time zone travel down to a minimum. Maybe the four Cali schools, Oregon, and UW all leave together? Maybe these six plus Colorado and Arizona? Who knows? Problem is, there are no good answers.
Guess Bill can't call the PAC the Conference of Champions anymore if that happens. Stanford has historically won the most championships in the NCAAs, outside of the 2 revenue sports anyway.
Mountain West would probably make the most sense for the Arizona schools.
Stanford isn’t going anywhere without Cal, and I seriously doubt the Oregon state govt. will allow ntOSU to be left in the lurch.
Of the 12 coaches, Rush picked the one whose fans have the deepest passion, the longest memories, the greatest lung capacity and … did I mention deep passion?
