Game 8, at UNLV (2017-2018)

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:25 pm

This is on Miller. He is not coaching well. Stubborn and not making adjustments. He is digging his own grave.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:26 pm

Not trying to hate on any Cats but I've just never seen what Miller loves so much about Ristic. He's a backup/sub at best. He really hasn't improved much at all over the years. And he's just not aggressive enough for what we need right now. Looking at this game alone when he's been on the court we look bad...when he comes out we look way better. Im not pinning our struggles on one guy, it's more than that, but Ristic really hurts us on both ends right now.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:28 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:This is on Miller. He is not coaching well. Stubborn and not making adjustments. He is digging his own grave.

I miss Lute.

Lute didn't have an awful tie knot for one.

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:29 pm

Here comes yet another blowout. Is this what it's like to be an asu fan? Down 7 and we'll fold

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 pm

scumdevils86 wrote:Here comes yet another blowout. Is this what it's like to be an asu fan? Down 7 and we'll fold

I think you have to be more of a d-bag to be an ASU fan. And possibly have Herpes.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 pm

Susan (autocorrect for Dusan, but it works better) playing his patented ole defense.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:30 pm

luteformayor2 wrote:This is on Miller. He is not coaching well. Stubborn and not making adjustments. He is digging his own grave.

I think he dug his own grave when he failed to recruit a Division 1 point guard in the last 3 years.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:32 pm

Nice put back Pindah

AZMoon · Post by **AZMoon** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:32 pm

We have average to below average guards.

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:33 pm

Trier’s defense is

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:33 pm

84Cat wrote:Nice put back Pindah

Energy guys, with Lee and Barcello saving the day.

SunnyAZ wrote:Susan (autocorrect for Dusan, but it works better) playing his patented ole defense.

Genius.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:33 pm

Am I a bad fan if I am glad when the Deuce gets in early foul trouble?

luteformayor2 · Post by **luteformayor2** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:33 pm

dmjcat wrote:
luteformayor2 wrote:This is on Miller. He is not coaching well. Stubborn and not making adjustments. He is digging his own grave.
I think he dug his own grave when he failed to recruit a Division 1 point guard in the last 3 years.

Pretty inexplicable. Regardless if PJC's camp pressured him, the fact that he has brought in such amazing wing players and centers and NO point guards is fucking ridiculous.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:34 pm

AZMoon wrote:We have average to below average guards.

It's the Ayton and Trier show. We have no one else. Rawle will give us a third solid player. We need a few freshmen to develop. I see flashes from Lee and Randolph and even Barcello. My biggest concern is our Seniors...Ristic and PJC. They need to be more consistent, better on defense, and just give us something.

U.P. Zona Fan · Post by **U.P. Zona Fan** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:35 pm

More of that ayton walking it in

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:37 pm

Hard to win when our opponent shoots 65% consistently

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:39 pm

When RA gets back and if we go with the 4 upper class men and DA they would have no one to blame but themselves if we didn't get things done. Bring Pinder off the bench first and then play the 2 freshman who show the most on defense

AZMoon · Post by **AZMoon** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:40 pm

Trier has no desire to play defense.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:41 pm

legallykenny wrote:Trier’s defense is

And again

I mean it's always been bad, but still gets a laugh when we get a solid reminder or two of how bad it really is

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:41 pm

We just can't compete with any semi decent teams. That is so embarrassing when we have consistent top 5 classes.

Captain Obvious · Post by **Captain Obvious** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:42 pm

A zone might be the only defense this team can play. Risky but worth a shot.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:42 pm

Both PJC and Trier are being eaten alive by dribble penetration.

One of our guards is a midget and not particularly athletic and the other is a ball hog with little interest in defense (and he's not the most athletic player either).

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Have to go zone with no D offense only guys like Trier and Ristic.

Not so sure about Ayton either. He is going to be eaten up big time in the league.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:43 pm

On the bright side Im impressed with Barcello tonight (he missed a few looks but they were good shots). Also feel some more energy from Ayton and I love what Ira Lee brings.

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Ayton is a god. The rest of our team are the homeless people littering his creation.

Maybe Trier is a teacher or something.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:44 pm

Merkin wrote:Have to go zone with no D offense only guys like Trier and Ristic.

Not so sure about Ayton either. He is going to be eaten up big time in the league.

I don't even see offense from Ristic. Trier makes up for the bad defense with his offense at least.

AZMoon · Post by **AZMoon** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:44 pm

Everyone loves to pick on Dusan, but it's the guard play that is below average on this team.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:45 pm

Trier SO BAD again damn

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:47 pm

Clank

Don't recall so many missed open shots by Arizona

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:47 pm

Trier's court vision just isn't good enough to be running the offense. He missed a wide open lee there for a cross court pass.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:47 pm

Merkin wrote:Have to go zone with no D offense only guys like Trier and Ristic.

Man just does not seem to be an option with this team when you look at the bad defenders and the indifferent defenders and try to mix that into a scheme that can win

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:48 pm

3 things we miss

Kadeem Allen
Rawle Alkins
Lauri Markkanen

We have no replacement for those 3......although we do get Rawle back.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:48 pm

Merkin wrote:Clank

Don't recall so many missed open shots by Arizona

Was thinking the same thing. The shooting is bad tonight

legallykenny · Post by **legallykenny** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:48 pm

Dylan Smith isn’t a high major D-1 basketball player. What the fuck is he doing on this roster much less on the floor?

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:48 pm

We don't have any players that know how to play and also play hard.

TatetheGreat · Post by **TatetheGreat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:48 pm

We'd still be a top-25 team if we just had decent pieces around Ayton. Fortunately, the PAC-12 looks weaker than everyone thought in the preseason so maybe we'll be able to compete once Rawle gets back.

dovecanyoncat · Post by **dovecanyoncat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:49 pm

We'll be down by 10 at the half at best.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:49 pm

Did anyone see Sean Miller punch the score board?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:50 pm

This is the first time in 7+ years I've had the feeling that a 5+ point lead is insurmountable by our team in any given game.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 pm

McCoy is a beast

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 pm

Well that sucked.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 pm

TatetheGreat wrote:We'd still be a top-25 team if we just had decent pieces around Ayton. Fortunately, the PAC-12 looks weaker than everyone thought in the preseason so maybe we'll be able to compete once Rawle gets back.

Have to wonder if we will get out of the non conference above .500? By Tuesday we might have 5 losses already

SunnyAZ · Post by **SunnyAZ** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 pm

Akot is definitely our 2nd best perimeter player until Rawle gets back and he never plays.

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 pm

Captain Obvious wrote:A zone might be the only defense this team can play. Risky but worth a shot.

More chance of Arizona using the rare 6 player defense.

dmjcat · Post by **dmjcat** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:51 pm

Question: Does anyone still think we should "Win and Vacate" and sacrifice future recruiting classes/Tourney eligibility???

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:52 pm

How embarrassing for Miller. His players don't even care.

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:52 pm

I can't believe how bad this team is compared to what the expectations were. I guess I understand it now. We knew PJC would be a problem. We miss Kadeem. We miss Rawle. Our freshmen aren't ready.

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:52 pm

I can't even say we don't deserve to be down these points

"Coach, how were you able to penetrate that Arizona defense?"

"Well you see, they suck at defense. So we just went right at them."

billk78 · Post by **billk78** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:52 pm

dmjcat wrote:Question: Does anyone still think we should "Win and Vacate" and sacrifice future recruiting classes/Tourney eligibility???

Would we have to vacate an NIT title?

SCCats · Post by **SCCats** » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:53 pm

Postmaster wrote:
Captain Obvious wrote:A zone might be the only defense this team can play. Risky but worth a shot.
More chance of Arizona using the rare 6 player defense.

I'm willing to try it.

And yes I mean trying to get six guys on the floor.

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