POY, COY, etc.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:33 am

Are coaches picks made public?

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:34 am

The coaches in this conference are some jealous little bitches.

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:34 am

Is it Thursday yet? I'm ready to get this party started! This is going to be a long week.

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:34 am

I would love to see who voted which way.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:34 am

Alieberman wrote:Are coaches picks made public?

no

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:35 am

It's Rondae's fault for not being on a team that zones.

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:35 am

Chicat wrote:The coaches in this conference are some jealous little bitches.

yes

97cats · Post by **97cats** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:35 am

pokinmik wrote:I would love to see who voted which way.

wont

pokinmik · Post by **pokinmik** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:35 am

Damn.

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:36 am

He touched the ball.

'ZONA97 · Post by **'ZONA97** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:38 am

Main Event wrote:

And that's another thing...

How in the fuck do you give DPOY to a freshman guard on a team that plays zone?? Are you kidding me???

RHJ got shafted as bad as TJ IMO.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:38 am

Will we get a presser on this?

I wonder how Alford voted?

And Enfield? lol

84Cat · Post by **84Cat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:38 am

I would love to be a fly on the wall at McKale today and see what's going on over there.

Katzenfreund · Post by **Katzenfreund** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:40 am

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:41 am

97-

Are the coaches tired about hearing how good Arizona is or this personal against Miller?

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:41 am

Not just the Pac-12.

The awards are like fertilizer, apparently. Just spread them around.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:43 am

Chicat wrote:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ell-1.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... ung-1.html

PER is virtually identical as far as offense goes, defense is not a contest.

Whatever. TJ has a chance to lead Arizona to the Final Four and that is a much bigger deal. We can just show our worth on the court. Our continued dominance will be a better calling card than the way we get shafted with awards.

Gilbertcat · Post by **Gilbertcat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:45 am

I almost feel bad for other teams, kinda, well not really.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:46 am

gumby wrote:Not just the Pac-12.

The awards are like fertilizer, apparently. Just spread them around.

It's easy to overlook people. Michael Jordan lost the MVP to a few people (Malone, Barkley) purely based off the fact his greatness was old news. Same thing with Miller.

Olsondogg · Post by **Olsondogg** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:47 am

Coaches don't like other coaches who beat them, whether it be on the recruiting trail or on the court. It's no shock that Miller didn't win COY...as I can think of maybe 1 or 2 coaches who would even vote for him.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:49 am

'ZONA97 wrote:
Main Event wrote:
And that's another thing...

How in the fuck do you give DPOY to a freshman on a team that plays zone?? Are you kidding me???

RHJ got shafted as bad as TJ IMO.

The other coaches decided "Anyone But Arizona" and picked accordingly. I'm honestly surprised they didn't also snub Stanimal but that would have been insanely obvious.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:51 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:Not just the Pac-12.

The awards are like fertilizer, apparently. Just spread them around.
It's easy to overlook people. Michael Jordan lost the MVP to a few people (Malone, Barkley) purely based off the fact his greatness was old news. Same thing with Miller.

I really do think it's a jealousy thing. Bill Self just won the Big12 for the 11th time in a row with a team that lost the #1 and #3 picks in the NBA draft, and yet he didn't win the COY award in that conference either.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:52 am

This is ridiculous. Joseph fucking Young?!

Beachcat97 · Post by **Beachcat97** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:54 am

Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:Not just the Pac-12.

The awards are like fertilizer, apparently. Just spread them around.
It's easy to overlook people. Michael Jordan lost the MVP to a few people (Malone, Barkley) purely based off the fact his greatness was old news. Same thing with Miller.
I really do think it's a jealousy thing. Bill Self just won the Big12 for the 11th time in a row with a team that lost the #1 and #3 picks in the NBA draft, and yet he didn't win the COY award in that conference either.

Exactly.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:55 am

I could understand Wright winning POY. But Joseph Young winning is ridiculous.

AZCatGirl · Post by **AZCatGirl** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:55 am

Main Event wrote:

Vegas is going to be a blood bath. Can't wait.

'ZONA97 · Post by **'ZONA97** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:55 am

Olsondogg wrote:Coaches don't like other coaches who beat them, whether it be on the recruiting trail or on the court. It's no shock that Miller didn't win COY...as I can think of maybe 1 or 2 coaches who would even vote for him.

I know Romar and Miller like each other, and I get the feeling that there is a mutual respect between Miller and K. Tinkle seems like an ok guy, need more time to evaluate.

The rest of the coaches in this conference are bitches.

ZONACAT · Post by **ZONACAT** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:55 am

Pure jealousy, Looney must feel robbed right now.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:57 am

Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:Not just the Pac-12.

The awards are like fertilizer, apparently. Just spread them around.
It's easy to overlook people. Michael Jordan lost the MVP to a few people (Malone, Barkley) purely based off the fact his greatness was old news. Same thing with Miller.
I really do think it's a jealousy thing. Bill Self just won the Big12 for the 11th time in a row with a team that lost the #1 and #3 picks in the NBA draft, and yet he didn't win the COY award in that conference either.

It's just dumb. Krystowiak would have been a better choice than Altman. Altman has that sleazy edge of overperforming after a rape scandal. I don't doubt there's some jealousy, but it's easier to take consistent excellence for granted vs the guy who isn't supposed to win like that.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:57 am

My guess on who is anti Arizona

Alford
Cry Baby from Colorado
Martin
Dawkins
Sendek
Altman

ZONACAT · Post by **ZONACAT** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:59 am

Beachcat97 wrote:Easy, Chi.

Has Self won COY every year in the Big 12? Has KU's best player won POY every year? And they've won how many B-12 titles in a row?

The respect is great, but do you really think Miller and TJ care very much about this? No. They care about winning a national title.

I guarantee you TJ cares, he knew exactly what was riding on this. Every player wants to have their name on a banner at a storied program.

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:59 am

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 10:59 am

Zero wrote:My guess on who is anti Arizona

Alford
Cry Baby from Colorado
Martin
Dawkins
Sendek
Altman

Enfield is on the list. Most definitely.

azcat49 · Post by **azcat49** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:00 am

gumby wrote:It's Rondae's fault for not being on a team that zones.

This is do true allowing Payton to gamble while RHJ plays straight up man yet only allowed less than 35% to the oppositions best player.

Payton had the stats but the scouts know who the leagues best defender was. Can't wait to see Miller's comments and our motivation this week.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:02 am

ZONACAT wrote:
Beachcat97 wrote:Easy, Chi.

Has Self won COY every year in the Big 12? Has KU's best player won POY every year? And they've won how many B-12 titles in a row?

The respect is great, but do you really think Miller and TJ care very much about this? No. They care about winning a national title.
I guarantee you TJ cares, he knew exactly what was riding on this. Every player wants to have their name on a banner at a storied program.

Absolutely. And I KNOW Sean Miller cares about this snub. Losing to Delon would be one thing, but losing out to Joseph Young of all players is a slap in the face to everything that TJ McConnell and Sean Miller stand for on the basketball court.

Frybry02 · Post by **Frybry02** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:05 am

I can't wait to browse other schools forums when I get home

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:08 am

Alieberman wrote:

That should be the list. No doubt about that.

Bosy Billups · Post by **Bosy Billups** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:10 am

Folks, this is the only way coaches can really get at Arizona, because it aint happening where it counts, and it aint happening with Larry Scott, lol.

This is pure flattery at his finest. We're doing something right, even if it's not just. It's lonely at the top, let those chumps take the crumbs, we'll take the titles.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:10 am

Well, since I'm late to the party, most of my initial thoughts/reactions have already been stated.

Chicat wrote:This conference is a joke. Fuck the coaches. Bunch of jealous motherfuckers who didn't like getting their asses handed to them by Arizona.

Yep

Chicat wrote:Sean Miller absolutely cares that his man TJ McConnell just got denied conference player of the year. You think he doesn't? Ha!

Correct

Chicat wrote:Let's not forget that last year Aaron Gordon didn't make the all-defensive team. So it's not like this kind of dumbfuckery is unprecedented.

Not unprecedented, but still putrid.

gumby wrote: Can't believe a guy who plays in a zone gets DPOY.

Possibly believable that an on-ball defender as good as Rondae doesn't win it, but unbelievable to lose it to a guy who plays zone.

Chicat wrote:The coaches in this conference are some jealous little bitches.

Yup

'ZONA97 wrote: RHJ got shafted as bad as TJ IMO.

I'd even say they gave the slightly bigger shaft to Rondae. Hmm, that sounds dirty, but you know what I mean.

Chicat wrote:
ZONACAT wrote: I guarantee you TJ cares, he knew exactly what was riding on this. Every player wants to have their name on a banner at a storied program.
Absolutely. And I KNOW Sean Miller cares about this snub. Losing to Delon would be one thing, but losing out to Joseph Young of all players is a slap in the face to everything that TJ McConnell and Sean Miller stand for on the basketball court.

With how much TJ cares about AZ basketball (hello, he even kissed the A on his last walk off the court!) one would have to believe he wanted to win this and get his name up in the ring of honor.

Such a joke that he didn't get it.

PieceOfMeat · Post by **PieceOfMeat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:10 am

Bosy Billups wrote:Folks, this is the only way coaches can really get at Arizona, because it aint happening where it counts, and it aint happening with Larry Scott, lol.

This is pure flattery at his finest. We're doing something right, even if it's not just. It's lonely at the top, let those chumps take the crumbs, we'll take the titles.

pretty sure I've seen this post before....it's still true

Alieberman · Post by **Alieberman** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:12 am

The COY doesn't bother me that much... that award is always about your actual record compared to the pre-season poll.

But POY and DPOY are a complete joke.

And how are there no centers on all conference team?

scumdevils86 · Post by **scumdevils86** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:14 am

AZCatGirl wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Vegas is going to be a blood bath. Can't wait.

I wouldn't be so sure with that....i'm sure the officials will have something to say about AZ playing how we should be able to.

Spaceman Spiff · Post by **Spaceman Spiff** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:16 am

scumdevils86 wrote:
AZCatGirl wrote:
Main Event wrote:
Vegas is going to be a blood bath. Can't wait.
I wouldn't be so sure with that....i'm sure the officials will have something to say about AZ playing how we should be able to.

Blood bath from teams being brutally screwed by refs is equally likely. Most likely us.

During the awful run of calls vs Furd, I told my friend the refs must have bet the under.

gumby · Post by **gumby** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:17 am

Joseph Young nowhere to be found on these national awards by position. TJ and Stanley are among five finalists. Delon Wright, too.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports. ... announced/

Bob Cousy Award (top point guard)

Tyus Jones, Duke
T.J. McConnell, Arizona
Kevin Pangos, Gonzaga
Fred Van Vleet, Wichita State
Delon Wright, Utah

Jerry West Award (top shooting guard)

Ron Baker, Wichita State
Jerian Grant, Notre Dame
Tyler Haws, BYU
Buddy Hield, Oklahoma
D’Angelo Russell, Ohio State

Julius Erving Award (top small forward)

Justin Anderson, Virginia
Sam Dekker, Wisconsin
LaDontae Henton, Providence
Stanley Johnson, Arizona
Justise Winslow, Duke

Karl Malone Award (top power forward)

Perry Ellis, Kansas
Montrezl Harrell, Louisville
David Laury, Iona
Georges Niang, Iowa State
Kyle Wiltjer, Gonzaga

Wilt Chamberlain Award (top center)

Willie Cauley-Stein, Kentucky
Rakeem Christmas, Syracuse
Frank Kaminsky, Wisconsin
Jahlil Okafor, Duke
Bobby Portis, Arkansas

Daryl Zero · Post by **Daryl Zero** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:19 am

Chicat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
gumby wrote:Not just the Pac-12.

The awards are like fertilizer, apparently. Just spread them around.
It's easy to overlook people. Michael Jordan lost the MVP to a few people (Malone, Barkley) purely based off the fact his greatness was old news. Same thing with Miller.
I really do think it's a jealousy thing. Bill Self just won the Big12 for the 11th time in a row with a team that lost the #1 and #3 picks in the NBA draft, and yet he didn't win the COY award in that conference either.

I do think there is an element of that a coach that gets all the good players isn't necessarily a great coach when he wins with those players. I do think there is some truth to that in that sometimes its the lucky breaks you get in working at a school that brings in great players merely by history or location. UCLA is a great example of this. Now Miller took a program that had been essentially built from the ground by Olson (although Snowden had some good years here) and then had been run back into the ground to an extent and put it back on track quickly. Miller uses the past history of the program to help bring in new players. Of course, Oregon St. has just a shining history as Arizona but has completely been driven into the ground. Both Washington and Oregon have recent successful years but have not been able to keep a consistently good program. Stanford and Cal both have some good recent history but have been unable to keep consistency. Wash St and USC are just black holes. ASU is in a different category of awful all together. Utah has a past and a recent awful past. Colorado thinks it has history but doesn't.

If anyone would have deserved COY over Miller it would be Tinkle at OSU because he got his guys (who were far less talented than anyone) to buy into a defensive scheme. But we've seen this type of play before in our conference from WSU which made life miserable for everyone who played there but basically a crappy team everywhere else. It is cute but ultimately a gimmick to win some games at home. It doesn't get you to the NCAAs and it only gets you a few extra wins at home.

Miller lost some key players and had to fit the squad together. It took about half of the year for guys to get their roles and their acts straight. But through these difficulties, Miller's team ran away with the conference (first time Arizona has gone back to back titles in 21 years) without the best player in the conference and without the best defensive player in the conference. In fact, Miller won the conference with a center and power forward that apparently none of the other coaches would have wanted. I don't think there is any question that Miller was COY.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:20 am

No centers or PF's I believe. Tallest guy is 6'7

salim'sheadband · Post by **salim'sheadband** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:21 am

WildcatStunner · Post by **WildcatStunner** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:25 am

It is shit like this plus our officiating that make our conference the laughing stock of the power conferences. I just hope we run roughshod through everyone in Vegas and Larry himself has to hand us the trophy.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:27 am

salim'sheadband wrote:

Love this shit!

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:30 am

WildcatStunner wrote:It is shit like this plus our officiating that make our conference the laughing stock of the power conferences. I just hope we run roughshod through everyone in Vegas and Larry himself has to hand us the trophy.

I'm sure Larry will have some kind of scheduling conflict with the second round of a women's golf tourney and won't be able to make it.

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