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Ditto!Longhorned wrote:Yeah, I have zero interest in one-and-dones. I don't want the people around them, and I think having these players is bad for the game, bad for programs, and bad for universities. I feel like I've endured enough of them. If they're going to continue in college basketball, I'd rather see them elsewhere than Arizona.
That's what I was thinking. It's okay to have them if you also have great players that stick around a couple years and can contribute at a high level. Those elite 8 teams a couple years ago had a good mix of oads and longer-tenured players like a Nick Johnson. When you're only relying on oads that's when it gets trickyChooChooCat wrote:OADs in moderate consumption are good for your program i.e. to fill a hole on a very good team already (Gordon, Stanley, Lauri). Going heavy on them however...yeah.
Team fit has to be the priority in these cases. Both on and off the court. If either is not there then I think it is more detrimental to team success than helpful. Even if you have minutes for a OAD at a position, if they are not buying into team it may not really be a benefit for that year or following years.ChooChooCat wrote:OADs in moderate consumption are good for your program i.e. to fill a hole on a very good team already (Gordon, Stanley, Lauri). Going heavy on them however...yeah.
There's always guys you have to make room for. For instance we knew taking Ayton would lead to what happened with Comanche, but yeah you don't pass up a talent like that to hold on to what I think was a very solid talent in Comanche. It's all about fit and risk vs. reward for sure.baycat93 wrote:Team fit has to be the priority in these cases. Both on and off the court. If either is not there then I think it is more detrimental to team success than helpful. Even if you have minutes for a OAD at a position, if they are not buying into team it may not really be a benefit for that year or following years.ChooChooCat wrote:OADs in moderate consumption are good for your program i.e. to fill a hole on a very good team already (Gordon, Stanley, Lauri). Going heavy on them however...yeah.
Not commenting in any way on Banchero/Hardy/Brown etc in terms of off the court fit. In general looking at next years roster (assuming everyone is back), not sure Hardy fits as we are pretty deep in the backcourt. Banchero seems to have unique skills that would be a fit.
Agreed on Ayton. Additionally, from all accounts, he was a good fit off the court and as a teammate. WRT Comanche, my recollection was he was not so keen on the academic part of his tenure at Arizona. So he was probably unlikely to stay a year after Ayton, when he would have been the talent I think you (fore)saw.ChooChooCat wrote:There's always guys you have to make room for. For instance we knew taking Ayton would lead to what happened with Comanche, but yeah you don't pass up a talent like that to hold on to what I think was a very solid talent in Comanche. It's all about fit and risk vs. reward for sure.baycat93 wrote:Team fit has to be the priority in these cases. Both on and off the court. If either is not there then I think it is more detrimental to team success than helpful. Even if you have minutes for a OAD at a position, if they are not buying into team it may not really be a benefit for that year or following years.ChooChooCat wrote:OADs in moderate consumption are good for your program i.e. to fill a hole on a very good team already (Gordon, Stanley, Lauri). Going heavy on them however...yeah.
Not commenting in any way on Banchero/Hardy/Brown etc in terms of off the court fit. In general looking at next years roster (assuming everyone is back), not sure Hardy fits as we are pretty deep in the backcourt. Banchero seems to have unique skills that would be a fit.
If we didn't have one of Ayton/Dusan, he would've returned. He wasn't big on school, but returning in a situation where he was very likely a starter was a much better alternative than leaving just cause he didn't like school. The fact that he wasn't going to be a starter as a junior was what led to his decision.baycat93 wrote:Agreed on Ayton. Additionally, from all accounts, he was a good fit off the court and as a teammate. WRT Comanche, my recollection was he was not so keen on the academic part of his tenure at Arizona. So he was probably unlikely to stay a year after Ayton, when he would have been the talent I think you (fore)saw.ChooChooCat wrote:There's always guys you have to make room for. For instance we knew taking Ayton would lead to what happened with Comanche, but yeah you don't pass up a talent like that to hold on to what I think was a very solid talent in Comanche. It's all about fit and risk vs. reward for sure.baycat93 wrote:Team fit has to be the priority in these cases. Both on and off the court. If either is not there then I think it is more detrimental to team success than helpful. Even if you have minutes for a OAD at a position, if they are not buying into team it may not really be a benefit for that year or following years.ChooChooCat wrote:OADs in moderate consumption are good for your program i.e. to fill a hole on a very good team already (Gordon, Stanley, Lauri). Going heavy on them however...yeah.
Not commenting in any way on Banchero/Hardy/Brown etc in terms of off the court fit. In general looking at next years roster (assuming everyone is back), not sure Hardy fits as we are pretty deep in the backcourt. Banchero seems to have unique skills that would be a fit.
He gets PT in the G league lolPostmaster wrote:So he chose to not play at all?
Exactly. He would not have been a starter, but he would have likely received significant minutes on a potentially great team. Very shortsighted decision.Postmaster wrote:So he chose to not play at all?
About 3/4 of St. Mary's roster is from Australia/New Zealand, although they do land a euro or two here and there. As far as the Zags go there's plenty of Euros to go around.azcat49 wrote:I wonder how this foreign recruiting strategy by so many schools now might impact Gonzaga or a St Mary’s? Certainly they now have more competition
Not at the moment, but Zeke wasn't supposed to be either.Beachcat97 wrote:Is Elvis a OAD-type talent?
Good point. Well, Zeke was a heck of a player as a freshman and clearly had strong parenting/mentoring. Would love to have another Nnaji.ChooChooCat wrote:Not at the moment, but Zeke wasn't supposed to be either.Beachcat97 wrote:Is Elvis a OAD-type talent?
Elvis is more potential than anything at the moment, but Arizona Basketball isn't stupid like Arizona Football. If there's a legacy connection and the guy has the potential to pan out you don't jump into.the recruitment late.Beachcat97 wrote:Good point. Well, Zeke was a heck of a player as a freshman and clearly had strong parenting/mentoring. Would love to have another Nnaji.ChooChooCat wrote:Not at the moment, but Zeke wasn't supposed to be either.Beachcat97 wrote:Is Elvis a OAD-type talent?
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Especially since another guy who wore #0 might have wound up a hall of famer if he hadn't tried to rush back from knee surgery.Merkin wrote:dmjcat wrote: https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... -fame-shaq" target="_blank
Not sure why he picked Josh Green of all people though.
Not Arizona.NickyBCats wrote:Zaon Collins announces top 4 of Arizona, ASU, USC AND UNLV tonight. Top 40 PG. watched some highlights. Like his game. Who leads here?
Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
Oregon.
Not likely.luteformayor2 wrote:We getting any 5 stars in 2021 class?
SDSU? No. USC? Still no.Beachcat97 wrote:Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
Say what you want about SDSU, but that program's been strong for a while now. And yeah, USC never seems to advance beyond their lower tier, but recruiting-wise, they always do well.ChooChooCat wrote:SDSU? No. USC? Still no.Beachcat97 wrote:Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
No doubt about it. Yes, SoCal players stay in CA and also head east, but AZ historically has consistently snagged a handful of good players from the region. Not sure what the relative dry spell is a result of, whether it is AAU politics, residual effects from the FBI/ESPN situation, or something else, but AZ does not seem to be a serious consideration for a number of SoCal elite players at the present time. Miller overcame it last year by loading up with highly ranked foreign players, but it is somewhat alarming he doesn't have one elite player from '21 prepared to commit to the program.Beachcat97 wrote:Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
Who are you referring to? Puff Johnson?Beachcat97 wrote:Say what you want about SDSU, but that program's been strong for a while now. And yeah, USC never seems to advance beyond their lower tier, but recruiting-wise, they always do well.ChooChooCat wrote:SDSU? No. USC? Still no.Beachcat97 wrote:Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
Historically, AZ's done well recruiting SoCal, but losing some high level guys to SoCal schools shouldn't be too disturbing. Losing AZ guys to other programs bothers me more.
SDSU doesn't beat Arizona for players even in SoCal.Beachcat97 wrote:Say what you want about SDSU, but that program's been strong for a while now. And yeah, USC never seems to advance beyond their lower tier, but recruiting-wise, they always do well.ChooChooCat wrote:SDSU? No. USC? Still no.Beachcat97 wrote:Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
Historically, AZ's done well recruiting SoCal, but losing some high level guys to SoCal schools shouldn't be too disturbing. Losing AZ guys to other programs bothers me more.
Don't think I said that and didn't mean to imply it either. I'm just recognizing that SDSU has emerged as another strong hoops program in our region of the country, and many of their players are from SoCal. No idea if AZ recruited Franklin or Trey Kell or any of their current SoCal guys.ChooChooCat wrote:SDSU doesn't beat Arizona for players even in SoCal.Beachcat97 wrote:Say what you want about SDSU, but that program's been strong for a while now. And yeah, USC never seems to advance beyond their lower tier, but recruiting-wise, they always do well.ChooChooCat wrote:SDSU? No. USC? Still no.Beachcat97 wrote:Meh. He's from SoCal. UCLA, SDSU and USC should get the best players from SoCal, with an occasional high level player leaving for an elite program out of state. Seems like we've been getting fewer SoCal players lately, no?ChooChooCat wrote:Arguably our top target for this class, Peyton Watson, is going to commit to UCLA tomorrow, so that sucks.
Historically, AZ's done well recruiting SoCal, but losing some high level guys to SoCal schools shouldn't be too disturbing. Losing AZ guys to other programs bothers me more.
I’d feel good about it.BeardownZonaZona wrote:Kenneth Simpson Jr is commiting tomorrow, 4 star kid. We gave him a virtual tour a couple months back. Any shot we land him?
ChooChooCat wrote:I’d feel good about it.BeardownZonaZona wrote:Kenneth Simpson Jr is commiting tomorrow, 4 star kid. We gave him a virtual tour a couple months back. Any shot we land him?