Bear Down Wildcats

zonagrad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:44 pm https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith ... f7805d3225

Arizona is top ten when it comes to revenue & profit among men's college basketball programs. We should be paying our head coach and assistants top 10 money. Arizona is the only program in the Mountain or Pacific time zones that's even in the top 20!!!
Gonzaga isn't there. Nor is UCLA or Oregon.

So I don't want to hear any bullshit talk from the athletic department about money being tight. If it's tight, it's because of mismanagement and poor allocation of resources. The hoops program turns a $14 million/year profit off of $26 million in revenue. Men's basketball does the heavy lifting in the athletic department. All the spoils the other non-revenue programs enjoy comes in large part from basketball. Men's basketball!

Tommy Lloyd is a first-time head coach, but he’s getting paid like one that’s been doing this a long time.

Arizona has released the terms of Lloyd’s 5-year contract, which will pay him $15.5 million over the life of the deal. He’s set to make $2.9 million for the 2021-22 season, with $1.8 million in base salary and $1.1 million from supplemental duties as well as compensation from IMG and Nike.

Lloyd’s first year salary is exactly what Sean Miller made in his final season. Miller, who was fired on April 7 after 12 seasons, was also set to make $2.9 million in 2021-22, the final year of his contract.

The final year of Lloyd’s contract, 2025-26, would see him earn $3.3 million.

While Lloyd’s initial deal is for five seasons, there is a clause included that adds one or two more years depending on how hard Arizona is hit by pending NCAA sanctions. If the program is given an additional postseason ban—it self-imposed one for the 2020-21 season—or has either scholarship reductions or restrictions on recruiting days or visits, the school will request the Arizona Board of Regents adds more years to the deal.

If the penalties only cover one season, Lloyd would get a sixth year at $3.4 million. If those penalties cover two or more seasons, he’d get a seventh year at $3.5 million.

Lloyd’s buyout, if he were to be terminated without cause, is 65 percent of his remaining contract. If he were to leave for another job he’d owe Arizona $5 million at any point during his first two seasons, $2.5 million if during the third year, $1.5 million during the fourth year and $1 million if during the fifth year. He also cannot coach within the Pac-12 for one year if he leaves Arizona voluntarily.

ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:56 pm

zonagrad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:44 pm https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith ... f7805d3225

Arizona is top ten when it comes to revenue & profit among men's college basketball programs. We should be paying our head coach and assistants top 10 money. Arizona is the only program in the Mountain or Pacific time zones that's even in the top 20!!!
Gonzaga isn't there. Nor is UCLA or Oregon.

So I don't want to hear any bullshit talk from the athletic department about money being tight. If it's tight, it's because of mismanagement and poor allocation of resources. The hoops program turns a $14 million/year profit off of $26 million in revenue. Men's basketball does the heavy lifting in the athletic department. All the spoils the other non-revenue programs enjoy comes in large part from basketball. Men's basketball!

That article was written two years ago. A lot has changed since then, most significantly a global pandemic that eliminated any revenue stream this past year. Yes, there’s been tremendous mismanagement, but that’s not the only reason there was no money in the coffers.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:14 pm

ekat wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:56 pm

zonagrad wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:44 pm https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith ... f7805d3225

Arizona is top ten when it comes to revenue & profit among men's college basketball programs. We should be paying our head coach and assistants top 10 money. Arizona is the only program in the Mountain or Pacific time zones that's even in the top 20!!!
Gonzaga isn't there. Nor is UCLA or Oregon.

So I don't want to hear any bullshit talk from the athletic department about money being tight. If it's tight, it's because of mismanagement and poor allocation of resources. The hoops program turns a $14 million/year profit off of $26 million in revenue. Men's basketball does the heavy lifting in the athletic department. All the spoils the other non-revenue programs enjoy comes in large part from basketball. Men's basketball!

That article was written two years ago. A lot has changed since then, most significantly a global pandemic that eliminated any revenue stream this past year. Yes, there’s been tremendous mismanagement, but that’s not the only reason there was no money in the coffers.

Yeah, although for me, the Covid crunch makes the Miller firing even more incomprehensible.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:32 pm When was that? I thought Miller always had at least one non-white assistant, and has had two at multiple points.

I mean, Book getting federally indicted did hurt our diversity a bit, but you can't budget for that.

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:30 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:32 pm When was that? I thought Miller always had at least one non-white assistant, and has had two at multiple points.

I mean, Book getting federally indicted did hurt our diversity a bit, but you can't budget for that.

Book was the only African American assistant for several years. Did anyone have less than one?

Although Miller was certainly not a racist, just hired some very qualified people. Pasternack and Whitford now head coaches in their own right.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:58 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:30 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:32 pm When was that? I thought Miller always had at least one non-white assistant, and has had two at multiple points.

I mean, Book getting federally indicted did hurt our diversity a bit, but you can't budget for that.

Book was the only African American assistant for several years. Did anyone have less than one?

Although Miller was certainly not a racist, just hired some very qualified people. Pasternack and Whitford now head coaches in their own right.

I wouldn't say 1 or 2 non-white coaches in every year would be one of the whitest staffs, that's all I'm saying.

When you say Miller had one of the whitest staffs...dunno, it's hard to look at all Pac staffs, but I'd say 1 or 2 white coaches of 3 is probably pretty close to average.

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:46 pm I could really like him, I really thought mark few was probably a great guy, but the way lloyd talked about him, I almost started crying!! I didn't watch the bozo the clowns show, just lloyd's shpeel. Seemed very genuine and humble.

Still mad they fired miller and that that crap went down the way that it did.

But I can't fault CTL for that.

U.P. Zona Fan wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:49 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:58 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:30 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:32 pm When was that? I thought Miller always had at least one non-white assistant, and has had two at multiple points.

I mean, Book getting federally indicted did hurt our diversity a bit, but you can't budget for that.

Book was the only African American assistant for several years. Did anyone have less than one?

Although Miller was certainly not a racist, just hired some very qualified people. Pasternack and Whitford now head coaches in their own right.

I wouldn't say 1 or 2 non-white coaches in every year would be one of the whitest staffs, that's all I'm saying.

When you say Miller had one of the whitest staffs...dunno, it's hard to look at all Pac staffs, but I'd say 1 or 2 white coaches of 3 is probably pretty close to average.

Book is probably the only one of them to go to jail too! Justice system is racist!

TucsonClip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:44 pm I am so pumped for this fall. I know a lot of you love Miller, and I dont have anything bad to say about him personally. But this feels like a revitalization of the program. Everything I have read, everyone who speaks about Lloyd, and the little ive herd myself, have all been overwhelmingly positive. From style of play, to teaching guys HOW to play the game, making reads on the floor, space, pace and analytics, and adaptation, ect.

Watching the team the last few years felt more like a chore than enjoyment. I think people are going to be very happy with what the product looks like, even in the early stages if the roster needs to be rebuilt. Ive been waiting for this type of transition, even if it was from Miller (which we somewhat saw at the end of this season). Its here. Its now.

Lloyd definitely has a lot to prove, but, again, I am fully on board.

Postmaster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:48 pm Doug Gotlieb said a few minutes interesting things on his show today.

First he felt both Damon and Miles were ready and capable.
He did say that Miles is his best friend.
He added that to a 17 year old , it’s kinda cool that you have Lebrons number on you phone.

He also said he thought, based on social things, that we should have hired a black coach.
He pointed out that no HC In pac12 is black.

He also said that Stevens offered continued $$ if Lloyd was the choice.
Said this in one sentence and didn’t elaborate.

TucsonClip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:44 pm I am so pumped for this fall. I know a lot of you love Miller, and I dont have anything bad to say about him personally. But this feels like a revitalization of the program. Everything I have read, everyone who speaks about Lloyd, and the little ive herd myself, have all been overwhelmingly positive. From style of play, to teaching guys HOW to play the game, making reads on the floor, space, pace and analytics, and adaptation, ect.

Watching the team the last few years felt more like a chore than enjoyment. I think people are going to be very happy with what the product looks like, even in the early stages if the roster needs to be rebuilt. Ive been waiting for this type of transition, even if it was from Miller (which we somewhat saw at the end of this season). Its here. Its now.

Lloyd definitely has a lot to prove, but, again, I am fully on board.

Longhorned wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:17 am

TucsonClip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:44 pm I am so pumped for this fall. I know a lot of you love Miller, and I dont have anything bad to say about him personally. But this feels like a revitalization of the program. Everything I have read, everyone who speaks about Lloyd, and the little ive herd myself, have all been overwhelmingly positive. From style of play, to teaching guys HOW to play the game, making reads on the floor, space, pace and analytics, and adaptation, ect.

Watching the team the last few years felt more like a chore than enjoyment. I think people are going to be very happy with what the product looks like, even in the early stages if the roster needs to be rebuilt. Ive been waiting for this type of transition, even if it was from Miller (which we somewhat saw at the end of this season). Its here. Its now.

Lloyd definitely has a lot to prove, but, again, I am fully on board.

I love this post.

I thought to myself I wish we had rep, and it looks like there's rep now? I was gone a while.

Longhorned wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:17 am I thought to myself I wish we had rep, and it looks like there's rep now? I was gone a while.

azgreg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:41 am

Longhorned wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:17 am I thought to myself I wish we had rep, and it looks like there's rep now? I was gone a while.

Once you get to 75 points you can neg rep Chicat all you want.

TucsonClip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:44 pm I am so pumped for this fall. I know a lot of you love Miller, and I dont have anything bad to say about him personally. But this feels like a revitalization of the program. Everything I have read, everyone who speaks about Lloyd, and the little ive herd myself, have all been overwhelmingly positive. From style of play, to teaching guys HOW to play the game, making reads on the floor, space, pace and analytics, and adaptation, ect.

Watching the team the last few years felt more like a chore than enjoyment. I think people are going to be very happy with what the product looks like, even in the early stages if the roster needs to be rebuilt. Ive been waiting for this type of transition, even if it was from Miller (which we somewhat saw at the end of this season). Its here. Its now.

Lloyd definitely has a lot to prove, but, again, I am fully on board.

TheGreatCatsby wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 am I will say since Dec. 12th as a long time fan craving change for the past few years, I have been HIGHLY ENTERTAINED by UA athletics. At times on VOX media, AZ has been the most trending and read about program in all of college sports. I can't wait for both football and basketball this fall.

Let's face it, in Sumlin and Miller we had 2 introvert coaches that had to go. Administration rightly brought in two new coaches the opposite, which is how these things go. Both are strong interpersonal relationship, people persons, who enjoy being around people as part of their personality. Neither Sumlin or Miller were that way, it wasn't their personalities, right or wrong. The department had to reconnect both programs back to the community. The past few years all we've gotten were a few bad Hughes Federal Credit Union Sean Miller commercials and that was it. Fisch has already lapped both of them in about 2 months.

I also go to games and simply could not take one more in person Sean Miller offensive display...at the end, I was leaving McKale in mental pain. I still have flashbacks of watching us run our offense initially in the shot clock for two years through Chase Jeter in the post when he couldn't dribble or pass because Miller still believed basketball offense worked like it was 1987.

zonagrad wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:45 am

TheGreatCatsby wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 am I will say since Dec. 12th as a long time fan craving change for the past few years, I have been HIGHLY ENTERTAINED by UA athletics. At times on VOX media, AZ has been the most trending and read about program in all of college sports. I can't wait for both football and basketball this fall.

Let's face it, in Sumlin and Miller we had 2 introvert coaches that had to go. Administration rightly brought in two new coaches the opposite, which is how these things go. Both are strong interpersonal relationship, people persons, who enjoy being around people as part of their personality. Neither Sumlin or Miller were that way, it wasn't their personalities, right or wrong. The department had to reconnect both programs back to the community. The past few years all we've gotten were a few bad Hughes Federal Credit Union Sean Miller commercials and that was it. Fisch has already lapped both of them in about 2 months.

I also go to games and simply could not take one more in person Sean Miller offensive display...at the end, I was leaving McKale in mental pain. I still have flashbacks of watching us run our offense initially in the shot clock for two years through Chase Jeter in the post when he couldn't dribble or pass because Miller still believed basketball offense worked like it was 1987.

Sumlin had to go because he was a disaster on the field and off the field. And he was hired by Robbins & Heeke.

Miller wasn't an introvert -- he just had to navigate the Tucson media the same way Lute had to navigate the Tucson media. A lot of the criticism was nit-picky and petty. And Miller had no patience for that, especially when subjected to inane questions from media types like Bruce Pascoe and Greg Hansen on a regular basis. The media run-in with this Ari Alexander looked petty on Miller's part. But the fact that Miller didn't even know who the fuck the guy was says all you need to know about the sportscasters place in the media hierarchy. He was a nobody and certainly didn't have the respect of the athletic department. Someone more experienced and garnering respect would've been treated much differently. Lute had numerous run-ins with the Daily Star over the years, not just Hansen. And if you're a coach -- you have a long memory of those petty slights in the press.

TheGreatCatsby wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:29 am I will say since Dec. 12th as a long time fan craving change for the past few years, I have been HIGHLY ENTERTAINED by UA athletics. At times on VOX media, AZ has been the most trending and read about program in all of college sports. I can't wait for both football and basketball this fall.

Let's face it, in Sumlin and Miller we had 2 introvert coaches that had to go. Administration rightly brought in two new coaches the opposite, which is how these things go. Both are strong interpersonal relationship, people persons, who enjoy being around people as part of their personality. Neither Sumlin or Miller were that way, it wasn't their personalities, right or wrong. The department had to reconnect both programs back to the community. The past few years all we've gotten were a few bad Hughes Federal Credit Union Sean Miller commercials and that was it. Fisch has already lapped both of them in about 2 months.

I also go to games and simply could not take one more in person Sean Miller offensive display...at the end, I was leaving McKale in mental pain. I still have flashbacks of watching us run our offense initially in the shot clock for two years through Chase Jeter in the post when he couldn't dribble or pass because Miller still believed basketball offense worked like it was 1987.

Olsondogg wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 am

Postmaster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:48 pm Doug Gotlieb said a few minutes interesting things on his show today.

First he felt both Damon and Miles were ready and capable.
He did say that Miles is his best friend.
He added that to a 17 year old , it’s kinda cool that you have Lebrons number on you phone.

He also said he thought, based on social things, that we should have hired a black coach.
He pointed out that no HC In pac12 is black.

He also said that Stevens offered continued $$ if Lloyd was the choice.
Said this in one sentence and didn’t elaborate.

Dougie is a breath of fresh bullshit.

He’s like a poor man’s Colin cowherd (is he still on the air). Sports talk is maybe a step below political commentary, and I’m just dying to hear Bickley’s thoughts.

About the only thing relevant he said is the lack of black head coaches, but framing it as a PAC problem is disingenuous—it’s a larger issue than that. But if he thinks that’s the reason his best friend missed out, then he’s dumber than he was when he stole his roommates wallet.

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 am Let’s be honest about the Tucson media... if you can’t handle the Tucson media, you wouldn’t be able to handle the media anywhere

They aren’t exactly hard hitting

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 am Let’s be honest about the Tucson media... if you can’t handle the Tucson media, you wouldn’t be able to handle the media anywhere

They aren’t exactly hard hitting

SCCats wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:46 am Apparently was considering Gonzaga, Kansas, Michigan and North Carolina

His game sounds really interesting

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:15 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 am Let’s be honest about the Tucson media... if you can’t handle the Tucson media, you wouldn’t be able to handle the media anywhere

They aren’t exactly hard hitting

I don't know man. Big markets, stuff has priorities and matters.

What drives me nuts about Tucson media is the outsized sense of its own importance because there aren't the bigger real stories there are in major markets. So you get guys like Alexander or the dude who was super offended Oregon State didn't get more practice time trying to make controvery and conflict happen.

azpatnca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:19 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:15 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 am Let’s be honest about the Tucson media... if you can’t handle the Tucson media, you wouldn’t be able to handle the media anywhere

They aren’t exactly hard hitting

I don't know man. Big markets, stuff has priorities and matters.

What drives me nuts about Tucson media is the outsized sense of its own importance because there aren't the bigger real stories there are in major markets. So you get guys like Alexander or the dude who was super offended Oregon State didn't get more practice time trying to make controvery and conflict happen.

Tucson sports media has a "high school drama" feel to it, for sure.

YoDeFoe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:32 am

TucsonClip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:44 pm I am so pumped for this fall. I know a lot of you love Miller, and I dont have anything bad to say about him personally. But this feels like a revitalization of the program. Everything I have read, everyone who speaks about Lloyd, and the little ive herd myself, have all been overwhelmingly positive. From style of play, to teaching guys HOW to play the game, making reads on the floor, space, pace and analytics, and adaptation, ect.

Watching the team the last few years felt more like a chore than enjoyment. I think people are going to be very happy with what the product looks like, even in the early stages if the roster needs to be rebuilt. Ive been waiting for this type of transition, even if it was from Miller (which we somewhat saw at the end of this season). Its here. Its now.

Lloyd definitely has a lot to prove, but, again, I am fully on board.

I figured you’d be excited about the change in offensive philosophy.

It’s just better, more intelligent and more fluid offensive play.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:15 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:56 am Let’s be honest about the Tucson media... if you can’t handle the Tucson media, you wouldn’t be able to handle the media anywhere

They aren’t exactly hard hitting

I don't know man. Big markets, stuff has priorities and matters.

What drives me nuts about Tucson media is the outsized sense of its own importance because there aren't the bigger real stories there are in major markets. So you get guys like Alexander or the dude who was super offended Oregon State didn't get more practice time trying to make controvery and conflict happen.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:54 am Man, the quality of posts in the wake of big news is always spectacular here. Greatly enjoying takes in this thread from zg, Chi, O-dogg, TGC, azpat, TClip, and UPZF. You don't leave much more to say!

TGIF, and BTFD!

1stNGrant Frys wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:48 am

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:54 am Man, the quality of posts in the wake of big news is always spectacular here. Greatly enjoying takes in this thread from zg, Chi, O-dogg, TGC, azpat, TClip, and UPZF. You don't leave much more to say!

TGIF, and BTFD!

TucsonClip wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:42 am Get me Tyty and bring back Kerr and I am on cloud 9 already.