Bear Down Wildcats

ChooChooCat wrote:

EVCat wrote:ChooChoo...any talk at all about Williams or, to a crazier extent, Brown?

It seems the chatter has started to subside, but that might just be because there is nothing to talk about. Again, I don't begrudge BW doing this...he was with us even with a 5* Quinnerly, and was with us early, and all of this of course caused him to consider looking, and that looking will be 4 months, maybe, when most recruits are much longer for the game. Timing sucks, but I still think we have the most attractive situation for him. We can win with one or two pieces, we have no established PG in front of him for 1 (zags) or 2 (ducks) years...but how much has his relationship with Sean been hurt, if at all, and was he close to Book at all?

Brown? That seems like a longshot, but so did fielding a team of more than 7 this year.

I have to think that maybe a humble Sean Miller, or at least a Sean Miller who already could close who can now sell a "humble" narrative...is a more potent Sean Miller?

The read I'm getting on Williams is that Arizona sold him and his family so damn well on playing alongside another PG that he pretty much prefers it at this point. He will have that situation at Oregon, Gonzaga, and from what it looks like Arizona as well. I'm not sure any school has a perceived edge at this point regardless whatever Oregon insiders believe. We'll know soon enough thankfully.

On Brown, Arizona has done very well here, but I don't know if it's enough. It looks like Stanford is out at the moment and it's probably a 3 school race. Arizona has to get him on campus with that last official visit and if it does it probably has a great shot. This will go into May before it's done.

EVCat wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:An update in the Brandon Williams saga...

Gonzaga starting PG Josh Perkins just had shoulder surgery last week... which means that for the next six months there's a wide open hole at starting PG for the Zags. Official practice begins around September 25, 2018 for the coming season... which is about five months from now.

Perkins should be back at full strength by the time the season starts, but the risk that he might not return to 100% and the opportunity for Williams to run the team over the summer and in early practices without Perkins breathing down his neck might make Gonzaga an even more appealing option than before.

I'd previously stated that I liked Gonzaga as an option for Williams given that he'd play off ball in his first season and would move to PG as a sophomore following the graduation of Perkins. Now there is an opportunity for Williams to step in as the day one starting PG for the Zags.

Just another wrinkle in a complicated decision.

This seems more like wishful thinking. Even if there is some time early, Perkins is a 3 year starter and will be taking the offense back from a freshman, even BW. BW is a very good freshman, but he is not a superstar One and Done lock who is going to unseat the best player with 3 years experience. And off ball speculation is the whole point of why BW might re-commit here...he wants to be the point. Like there were much better suitors for Khalil Tate in football, but we got him because...QB. BW wants...PG. He can play SG a lot of places.

He may go to Gonzaga. But I really think it is a battle between the lure of the super-class and Oregon and knowing he might sit vs the issues at Arizona but likely playing time in bunches/starter minutes and, in the end, little actual sanction that affects him. This reads like a writer trying to talk him into coming to Gonzaga, not an actual prognostication. The "opportunity to step in from day 1 at PG" is fools gold, because it might be over on day 20 or whenever Perkins comes back. "Step in from Day 1" generally infers finishing...

RichardCranium wrote:Sorry to pick at a scab, but WTF is "SJW"?

ASUHATER! wrote:

RichardCranium wrote:Sorry to pick at a scab, but WTF is "SJW"?

"Social Justice Warrior"

For some reason right wing nut jobs think it is some sort of derogatory term they can use to sneer at liberals and progressives for caring about other people. It is part of the alpha/beta/cuck language group. I personally don't see how being called a warrior for social justice is a bad thing at all.

SunnyAZ wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

RichardCranium wrote:Sorry to pick at a scab, but WTF is "SJW"?

"Social Justice Warrior"

For some reason right wing nut jobs think it is some sort of derogatory term they can use to sneer at liberals and progressives for caring about other people. It is part of the alpha/beta/cuck language group. I personally don't see how being called a warrior for social justice is a bad thing at all.

well it's pretty obvious that they use it as a way to say that certain people are making a cause/conflict out of something that doesn't deserve it.

Alieberman wrote:Fellas.... let's get this discussion back on topic please.

When is BW announcing that he will become a Wildcat?

ASUHATER! wrote:

SunnyAZ wrote:

ASUHATER! wrote:

RichardCranium wrote:Sorry to pick at a scab, but WTF is "SJW"?

"Social Justice Warrior"

For some reason right wing nut jobs think it is some sort of derogatory term they can use to sneer at liberals and progressives for caring about other people. It is part of the alpha/beta/cuck language group. I personally don't see how being called a warrior for social justice is a bad thing at all.

well it's pretty obvious that they use it as a way to say that certain people are making a cause/conflict out of something that doesn't deserve it.

Yeah causes like equal rights for women and LGBT people and minorities and advocating for less racism and similar things. They can't stand things like that.

Alieberman wrote:Fellas.... let's get this discussion back on topic please.

When is BW announcing that he will become a Wildcat?

Alieberman wrote:Fellas.... let's get this discussion back on topic please.

When is BW announcing that he will become a Wildcat?

SunnyAZ wrote:

Alieberman wrote:Fellas.... let's get this discussion back on topic please.

When is BW announcing that he will become a Wildcat?

30th

Book it.

ChooChooCat wrote:Justin Coleman is on campus today btw.

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Justin Coleman is on campus today btw.

Coleman is visiting Arizona and also considering Saint Louis, UAB, Texas Southern, Northern Kentucky and SMU. One of those things is not like the others.

Beachcat97 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Justin Coleman is on campus today btw.

Coleman is visiting Arizona and also considering Saint Louis, UAB, Texas Southern, Northern Kentucky and SMU. One of those things is not like the others.

How favorably does JC compare to other transfer PGs we've had?

YoDeFoe wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:and Coleman is very much a poor man's PJC.

Based on what exactly?

Basically the exact same shooting splits and scoring style, with PJC being a 5 percentage point better three point shooter and Coleman being a 5 percentage point better finisher at the rim and at the line.

Same size, both 5'10" 170lbs.

Both posted about .90 points per possession scoring and 1.4ppp scoring + assists, both with ~2.4 A:TO. Similar offensive rating (Coleman v PJC). Coleman was a higher usage offensive player, for what its worth.

But oh boy - defensive rating.

PJC held opponents to a decent 0.869ppp, good for about 50th percentile. Coleman gave up 1.051ppp - which is in the bottom 10% of players in division 1 basketball. In man to man defensive sets, Coleman ranked in the bottom 5%.

All of the above is with PJC playing for Arizona with a top 50 strength of schedule and Coleman playing for Samford - just outside the top 200 in SOS.

Samford was one of the worst defensive teams in the country last year (346th of 351) and defense is a team effort. But when Coleman was isolated, he ranked in the bottom 4%. When Coleman was tasked with defending catch and shoot jumpers, he ranked in the bottom 15%. Those are individual defensive plays.

So he's PJC on offense and probably a shadow of PJC on defense. Is that the solution we're looking for?

ChooChooCat wrote:So to sum it up Coleman is better in the P&R, Isolation, and Hand off. They both suck in transition i.e. they're both short, and Parker was a better spot up shooter (the only thing he ever did good on offense). As far as defense goes Samford obviously gave zero shits about playing any, so I don't take it too seriously. Regardless our defense is in the hands of our wings and that goes for even if we land Williams. If the wings can't play D effectively then we're screwed already, so I couldn't care less about his defense at a program who had zero interest in playing any. The same size argument is crap, Parker was never 5'10. Hell the way Arizona lists heights I bet we list Coleman at 6'0 if he were to come here.

Either way we need him or Williams. You don't go into next season with Alex Barcello who played sparingly being your sole option at the 1. I'm in agreement with you overall on Johnson, but we need somebody to handle the rock.

Merkin wrote:Spiff, being that the last 2 transfers TJ McConnell and Kadeem Allen are in the NBA, would you say that Coleman is Arizona good?

CatHoops wrote:Coleman is ours

Beachcat97 wrote:By this time next week, BW could be committed to AZ. And our prospects for '19 will rise considerably.

TatetheGreat wrote:We'll need Coleman in case Barcello and Akot can't handle the ball and/or run the offense effectively. Right now BW is mostly a scorer. He averaged 2.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers this HS season.

ChooChooCat wrote:

TatetheGreat wrote:We'll need Coleman in case Barcello and Akot can't handle the ball and/or run the offense effectively. Right now BW is mostly a scorer. He averaged 2.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers this HS season.

I wouldn't look too much into this past year's HS stats. His team didn't have anybody else that could really score, so he was pretty much demanded to be the team's offense. I will concede that he's probably more of a shoot first PG at this point.

Either way fwiw with or without BW I'd expect Arizona to take two point guards this class.

ChooChooCat wrote:

TatetheGreat wrote:We'll need Coleman in case Barcello and Akot can't handle the ball and/or run the offense effectively. Right now BW is mostly a scorer. He averaged 2.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers this HS season.

I wouldn't look too much into this past year's HS stats. His team didn't have anybody else that could really score, so he was pretty much demanded to be the team's offense. I will concede that he's probably more of a shoot first PG at this point.

Either way fwiw with or without BW I'd expect Arizona to take two point guards this class.

ChooChooCat wrote:

TatetheGreat wrote:We'll need Coleman in case Barcello and Akot can't handle the ball and/or run the offense effectively. Right now BW is mostly a scorer. He averaged 2.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers this HS season.

I wouldn't look too much into this past year's HS stats. His team didn't have anybody else that could really score, so he was pretty much demanded to be the team's offense. I will concede that he's probably more of a shoot first PG at this point.

Either way fwiw with or without BW I'd expect Arizona to take two point guards this class.

goslingswagg wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

TatetheGreat wrote:We'll need Coleman in case Barcello and Akot can't handle the ball and/or run the offense effectively. Right now BW is mostly a scorer. He averaged 2.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers this HS season.

I wouldn't look too much into this past year's HS stats. His team didn't have anybody else that could really score, so he was pretty much demanded to be the team's offense. I will concede that he's probably more of a shoot first PG at this point.

Either way fwiw with or without BW I'd expect Arizona to take two point guards this class.

Interesting. If not Bwill, who could the 2nd PG be (assuming Coleman commits)? Looking international maybe? Grad transfer obviously a possibility but doesn't seem to be a ton of options that we're linked to.

ChooChooCat wrote:

goslingswagg wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

TatetheGreat wrote:We'll need Coleman in case Barcello and Akot can't handle the ball and/or run the offense effectively. Right now BW is mostly a scorer. He averaged 2.9 assists to 2.7 turnovers this HS season.

I wouldn't look too much into this past year's HS stats. His team didn't have anybody else that could really score, so he was pretty much demanded to be the team's offense. I will concede that he's probably more of a shoot first PG at this point.

Either way fwiw with or without BW I'd expect Arizona to take two point guards this class.

Interesting. If not Bwill, who could the 2nd PG be (assuming Coleman commits)? Looking international maybe? Grad transfer obviously a possibility but doesn't seem to be a ton of options that we're linked to.

I can't name names and you will only hear of the guy if Williams goes elsewhere. Even if I told you his name you very very likely never would've heard of him and that's certainly not a shot at you my man. He's not a grad transfer though.

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Irish27 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Miller will most likely be at Williams home on Sunday after his Gonzaga visit.

Irish27 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Miller will most likely be at Williams home on Sunday after his Gonzaga visit.

azgreg wrote:

Irish27 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Miller will most likely be at Williams home on Sunday after his Gonzaga visit.

Miller should go on the Gonzaga visit with him and point out everything that's better at Arizona.

Irish27 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Miller will most likely be at Williams home on Sunday after his Gonzaga visit.

azgreg wrote:

Irish27 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Miller will most likely be at Williams home on Sunday after his Gonzaga visit.

Miller should go on the Gonzaga visit with him and point out everything that's better at Arizona.

Merkin wrote:

azgreg wrote:

Irish27 wrote:

YoDeFoe wrote:Williams is likely packing for Spokane tonight. Last official visit on Saturday... Hopefully we get an answer next week (that's me hoping, not me speculating).

Miller will most likely be at Williams home on Sunday after his Gonzaga visit.

Miller should go on the Gonzaga visit with him and point out everything that's better at Arizona.

75 in Spokane right now and 84 tomorrow.

Too bad it wasn't snowing.

ChooChooCat wrote:Nevada is the one that worries me here. Gotta get that last visit.

KaibabKat wrote:Really cheap all you can eat buffet breakfasts may be tough to compete with.

3goggles wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:Nevada is the one that worries me here. Gotta get that last visit.

FBI invest be damned we can’t lose a kid to Neveda!

zonagrad wrote:Nevada's Caleb Martin is testing the NBA waters. I think he stays in the draft. He's a top 20 pick. Certainly more draftable than Alkins or Trier who are long gone.