Bear Down Wildcats

Wow RJ big ups on the info.

Jefe wrote:Before the one and done rule there were what, max 2-3 high schoolers in each draft? This may keep the creme of the crop out of the NCAA but we won't see 10+ guys skipping college, will we? Kentucky, NC, Duke, and Kansas will have to work harder in recruiting

2005 draft had seven HS drafted: Martell Webster, Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green, CJ Miles, Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, and Amir Johnson.
2004 draft had eight: Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, JR Smith, and Dorell Wright.

I think we would see 8-10+ guys skipping most years if they removed the one-and-done rules, especially with these 2-way contracts. The D/G-league has come a long way since 2005 too.

10,000 subpoenas? Doing a great job of keeping them secret.

rgdeuce wrote:

Jefe wrote:Before the one and done rule there were what, max 2-3 high schoolers in each draft? This may keep the creme of the crop out of the NCAA but we won't see 10+ guys skipping college, will we? Kentucky, NC, Duke, and Kansas will have to work harder in recruiting

2005 draft had seven HS drafted: Martell Webster, Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green, CJ Miles, Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, and Amir Johnson.
2004 draft had eight: Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, JR Smith, and Dorell Wright.

I think we would see 8-10+ guys skipping most years if they removed the one-and-done rules, especially with these 2-way contracts. The D/G-league has come a long way since 2005 too.

We maybe get one of those guys a year and we get them for 40 games if we're lucky. Fuck it, let the top ten bolt and we'll get back to business as usual.

rgdeuce wrote:2005 draft had seven HS drafted: Martell Webster, Andrew Bynum, Gerald Green, CJ Miles, Monta Ellis, Lou Williams, and Amir Johnson.
2004 draft had eight: Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston, Robert Swift, Sebastian Telfair, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, JR Smith, and Dorell Wright.

I think we would see 8-10+ guys skipping most years if they removed the one-and-done rules, especially with these 2-way contracts. The D/G-league has come a long way since 2005 too.

Damn, thanks a lot LeBron

gumby wrote:10,000 subpoenas? Doing a great job of keeping them secret.

From personal experience, I don't think the FBI would disclose to a company's attorney how many subpoenas had actually been sent out in an active investigation, so they were probably ballparking their estimate. But I do agree that in a case like this that the FBI is chasing the money, so many of theose subpoenas are probably to financial institutions about individual transactions. There will be a lot of those.

Convo with Pitino tonight after bbal games. Said he took a lie detector test and passed.

SunnyAZ wrote:Convo with Pitino tonight after bbal games. Said he took a lie detector test and passed.

He has a lot of practice lying.

Loovul AD goes down for cause...

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sp ... 773362001/" target="_blank

AZ2000 wrote:

gumby wrote:10,000 subpoenas? Doing a great job of keeping them secret.

From personal experience, I don't think the FBI would disclose to a company's attorney how many subpoenas had actually been sent out in an active investigation, so they were probably ballparking their estimate. But I do agree that in a case like this that the FBI is chasing the money, so many of theose subpoenas are probably to financial institutions about individual transactions. There will be a lot of those.

With a lot of this stuff, there are already tons of eyes outside of the FBI looking at disclosure materials now that prosecutions have started. They are likely still seeking indictments, so you got even more US attorneys, defense counsel, grand jurors, judges, bailiffs, US Marshals, etc who can all be around for someone to make a comment about how many subpoenas were in the boxes of disclosure, or they are reviewing it themselves. Really speaks to the scope of the investigation because you are correct, a large number will be financial institutions, plus internet providers, cellphone companies, social media and email entities, etc. 10k is a ton regardless, which tells you if accurate, 100s have been or are being looked at closely.

Miami coach gets one.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miam ... story.html" target="_blank

Interesting as too the affidavit Little signed. Sure wish he would come back to us LOL

KVOA has an update, there is some good news and also bad news. The good news, Miller might not of known: According to some of the defendant's own testimony though, Miller and other head coaches may not have been involved. Sports agent Christian Dawkins is quoted as saying "the head coach ain't willing to (take bribes) 'cause they're making too much money. And it's too risky.....better to work with an assistant coach - as opposed to a head coach because then you got direct access to the athletes."

The bad news: According to an FBI complaint the alleged bribery scheme began in the first few months of 2017.
On March 8, 2017, Richardson and another unnamed UA coach sat down with a financial manager named Munish Sood at a Las Vegas restaurant.
Also at that meeting was a confidential witness for the FBI. The diner meeting lasted only a few minutes, but in a recorded conversation, Sood later told the witness the meeting had been "good" and that "the coaches are interested in definitely working with us." The complaint also says Sood later had two more conversations with the unnamed assistant coach.While the other unnamed coach was never arrested or identified by law enforcement officials. The complaint say he later left the University of Arizona. The only coach who has left the UA recently is former Assistant Coach Joe Pasternack.

Several UA players are also mentioned but not named in the complaint. Player 4 received $15,000 in cash. Richardson is described as saying he can funnel Players 6 and 7 to Dawkins and Sood. And a another unnamed players is described as already having taken money.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36630801/n4t- ... ll-bribery" target="_blank

Irish27 wrote:KVOA has an update, there is some good news and also bad news. The good news, Miller might not of known: According to some of the defendant's own testimony though, Miller and other head coaches may not have been involved. Sports agent Christian Dawkins is quoted as saying "the head coach ain't willing to (take bribes) 'cause they're making too much money. And it's too risky.....better to work with an assistant coach - as opposed to a head coach because then you got direct access to the athletes."

The bad news: According to an FBI complaint the alleged bribery scheme began in the first few months of 2017.
On March 8, 2017, Richardson and another unnamed UA coach sat down with a financial manager named Munish Sood at a Las Vegas restaurant.
Also at that meeting was a confidential witness for the FBI. The diner meeting lasted only a few minutes, but in a recorded conversation, Sood later told the witness the meeting had been "good" and that "the coaches are interested in definitely working with us." The complaint also says Sood later had two more conversations with the unnamed assistant coach.While the other unnamed coach was never arrested or identified by law enforcement officials. The complaint say he later left the University of Arizona. The only coach who has left the UA recently is former Assistant Coach Joe Pasternack.

Several UA players are also mentioned but not named in the complaint. Player 4 received $15,000 in cash. Richardson is described as saying he can funnel Players 6 and 7 to Dawkins and Sood. And a another unnamed players is described as already having taken money.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36630801/n4t- ... ll-bribery" target="_blank

None of that is new. It's all from the oroginal complaint.

Someone give KVOA a pulitzer

Lol.

In other news water is wet.

rgdeuce wrote:Someone give KVOA a pulitzer

Couldn't believe Ari won a local Emmy. Can't stand that guy.

rgdeuce wrote:Someone give KVOA a pulitzer

The more I think about that article, the more I get hacked off. They took the FBI complaint, added a nothing quote from Pasternack, included false info (the sentence about how Arizona paid a player 15k is at best quarter truth) slapped a News 4 Investigators on it and published.

That took a month and they present it as a new update. Geez.

AGREE! "Couldn't believe Ari won a local Emmy. Can't stand that guy."

UAEebs86 wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Someone give KVOA a pulitzer

Couldn't believe Ari won a local Emmy. Can't stand that guy.

Yeah... well screw you!

UAEebs86 wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Someone give KVOA a pulitzer

Couldn't believe Ari won a local Emmy. Can't stand that guy.

Don't know how all that works, but the standards must be low because that guy is garbage.

Miller's a huge fan of Ari let me tell ya.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Irish27 wrote:KVOA has an update, there is some good news and also bad news. The good news, Miller might not of known: According to some of the defendant's own testimony though, Miller and other head coaches may not have been involved. Sports agent Christian Dawkins is quoted as saying "the head coach ain't willing to (take bribes) 'cause they're making too much money. And it's too risky.....better to work with an assistant coach - as opposed to a head coach because then you got direct access to the athletes."

The bad news: According to an FBI complaint the alleged bribery scheme began in the first few months of 2017.
On March 8, 2017, Richardson and another unnamed UA coach sat down with a financial manager named Munish Sood at a Las Vegas restaurant.
Also at that meeting was a confidential witness for the FBI. The diner meeting lasted only a few minutes, but in a recorded conversation, Sood later told the witness the meeting had been "good" and that "the coaches are interested in definitely working with us." The complaint also says Sood later had two more conversations with the unnamed assistant coach.While the other unnamed coach was never arrested or identified by law enforcement officials. The complaint say he later left the University of Arizona. The only coach who has left the UA recently is former Assistant Coach Joe Pasternack.

Several UA players are also mentioned but not named in the complaint. Player 4 received $15,000 in cash. Richardson is described as saying he can funnel Players 6 and 7 to Dawkins and Sood. And a another unnamed players is described as already having taken money.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36630801/n4t- ... ll-bribery" target="_blank

None of that is new. It's all from the oroginal complaint.

I'd have to read it again to be sure but I don't recall seeing Book say in the original complaint that he was going to restrict his recommendations of agents to one now instead of several, and then mention that if you give kids 3-4 choices they're going to be kids. It was not in context so you can't tell exactly what Book was saying there but one way to read that is Book has been steering kids to agents for awhile now, but because Dawkins was going to be paying him 5k a month to do it, he was going to only steer them to Dawkins. If that's what was meant there, that's new and it's not exactly good because it implies Book was doing it before Dawkins.

The other way to take that is Book meant kid plays for Arizona, turns pro and then asks me for help picking an agent, I used to refer them to several different guys, now I'll just refer to Dawkins. the Dawkins part is still bad but the providing advice on agents after a kid has gone pro is not, it's not against the rules unless there's some agreement in place before. that's why I never understood why the NCAA didnt' crack down on the Oakland Soldiers, the co founder of the program is an NBA agent, his best friend is a financial adviser, and several of their former players hired said agent and said adviser after they went pro, it couldn't have been more obvious what the deal there was but I always assumed the NCAA was saying they had no evidence there was a deal in place kids were just picking those guys AFTER they went pro and that made it allowable.

Alieberman wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Someone give KVOA a pulitzer

Couldn't believe Ari won a local Emmy. Can't stand that guy.

Yeah... well screw you!

Irish27 wrote:KVOA has an update, there is some good news and also bad news. The good news, Miller might not of known: According to some of the defendant's own testimony though, Miller and other head coaches may not have been involved. Sports agent Christian Dawkins is quoted as saying "the head coach ain't willing to (take bribes) 'cause they're making too much money. And it's too risky.....better to work with an assistant coach - as opposed to a head coach because then you got direct access to the athletes."

The bad news: According to an FBI complaint the alleged bribery scheme began in the first few months of 2017.
On March 8, 2017, Richardson and another unnamed UA coach sat down with a financial manager named Munish Sood at a Las Vegas restaurant.
Also at that meeting was a confidential witness for the FBI. The diner meeting lasted only a few minutes, but in a recorded conversation, Sood later told the witness the meeting had been "good" and that "the coaches are interested in definitely working with us." The complaint also says Sood later had two more conversations with the unnamed assistant coach.While the other unnamed coach was never arrested or identified by law enforcement officials. The complaint say he later left the University of Arizona. The only coach who has left the UA recently is former Assistant Coach Joe Pasternack.

Several UA players are also mentioned but not named in the complaint. Player 4 received $15,000 in cash. Richardson is described as saying he can funnel Players 6 and 7 to Dawkins and Sood. And a another unnamed players is described as already having taken money.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36630801/n4t- ... ll-bribery" target="_blank

So the evidence they're talking about here as being important is a recording of the target of an investigation (Sood) saying "They want to work with us"?

Valuable stuff.

Russ Smith wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Irish27 wrote:KVOA has an update, there is some good news and also bad news. The good news, Miller might not of known: According to some of the defendant's own testimony though, Miller and other head coaches may not have been involved. Sports agent Christian Dawkins is quoted as saying "the head coach ain't willing to (take bribes) 'cause they're making too much money. And it's too risky.....better to work with an assistant coach - as opposed to a head coach because then you got direct access to the athletes."

The bad news: According to an FBI complaint the alleged bribery scheme began in the first few months of 2017.
On March 8, 2017, Richardson and another unnamed UA coach sat down with a financial manager named Munish Sood at a Las Vegas restaurant.
Also at that meeting was a confidential witness for the FBI. The diner meeting lasted only a few minutes, but in a recorded conversation, Sood later told the witness the meeting had been "good" and that "the coaches are interested in definitely working with us." The complaint also says Sood later had two more conversations with the unnamed assistant coach.While the other unnamed coach was never arrested or identified by law enforcement officials. The complaint say he later left the University of Arizona. The only coach who has left the UA recently is former Assistant Coach Joe Pasternack.

Several UA players are also mentioned but not named in the complaint. Player 4 received $15,000 in cash. Richardson is described as saying he can funnel Players 6 and 7 to Dawkins and Sood. And a another unnamed players is described as already having taken money.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36630801/n4t- ... ll-bribery" target="_blank

None of that is new. It's all from the oroginal complaint.

I'd have to read it again to be sure but I don't recall seeing Book say in the original complaint that he was going to restrict his recommendations of agents to one now instead of several, and then mention that if you give kids 3-4 choices they're going to be kids. It was not in context so you can't tell exactly what Book was saying there but one way to read that is Book has been steering kids to agents for awhile now, but because Dawkins was going to be paying him 5k a month to do it, he was going to only steer them to Dawkins. If that's what was meant there, that's new and it's not exactly good because it implies Book was doing it before Dawkins.

The other way to take that is Book meant kid plays for Arizona, turns pro and then asks me for help picking an agent, I used to refer them to several different guys, now I'll just refer to Dawkins. the Dawkins part is still bad but the providing advice on agents after a kid has gone pro is not, it's not against the rules unless there's some agreement in place before. that's why I never understood why the NCAA didnt' crack down on the Oakland Soldiers, the co founder of the program is an NBA agent, his best friend is a financial adviser, and several of their former players hired said agent and said adviser after they went pro, it couldn't have been more obvious what the deal there was but I always assumed the NCAA was saying they had no evidence there was a deal in place kids were just picking those guys AFTER they went pro and that made it allowable.

You're still trying...?

Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Imagine living your life as redundant as Russ Smith.

Statfreak77 wrote:

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Imagine living your life as redundant as Russ Smith.

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Now that is hilarious coming from someone who's clearly reading both Bruinzone, a free board, and BRO a pay board.

There's 2 ways to take what Book said, either it's I've been steering players to other agents before but now it's just you, or after they go pro and ask me for advice, I'll tell them to come to you instead of the other guys I used to recommend. But given that they're literally discussing a deal that's going to pay Book 5K a month to steer CURRENT and future players, I think we can reasonably assume Book had been steering players to agents before the FBI got involved.

Season is here and people wanna talk hoops. Get lost Russ.

Russ Smith wrote:

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Now that is hilarious coming from someone who's clearly reading both Bruinzone, a free board, and BRO a pay board.

There's 2 ways to take what Book said, either it's I've been steering players to other agents before but now it's just you, or after they go pro and ask me for advice, I'll tell them to come to you instead of the other guys I used to recommend. But given that they're literally discussing a deal that's going to pay Book 5K a month to steer CURRENT and future players, I think we can reasonably assume Book had been steering players to agents before the FBI got involved.

Without assumptions, you would have 85% less content here.

Also, you are incorrect. The KVOA article has a single Pasternack quote and the remainder is just paraphrasing the FBI report, which this thread has already done approximately 2,000 times. It is a poor effort and the author's mother should be ashamed she brought such lazy sensationalism into this world.

Oh hey look, it’s Russ.

Joy....

Russ Smith wrote:

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Now that is hilarious coming from someone who's clearly reading both Bruinzone, a free board, and BRO a pay board.

He also could have easily assumed two were UCLA boards, plus the ASFN board that was already posted here. I mean, you turn conjecture, rumors, and assumptions into facts. Why cant we?

Spaceman Spiff wrote: It is a poor effort and the author's mother should be ashamed she brought such lazy sensationalism into this world.

Russ Smith wrote:

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Now that is hilarious coming from someone who's clearly reading both Bruinzone, a free board, and BRO a pay board.

There's 2 ways to take what Book said, either it's I've been steering players to other agents before but now it's just you, or after they go pro and ask me for advice, I'll tell them to come to you instead of the other guys I used to recommend. But given that they're literally discussing a deal that's going to pay Book 5K a month to steer CURRENT and future players, I think we can reasonably assume Book had been steering players to agents before the FBI got involved.

Why do you care so much that you're on top of this on a rival board, a neutral board (asfn) and your team's boards? Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish here? You're having this conversation elsewhere. It just comes off as "UCLA honk needs to educate poor little UA fans".

UAdevil wrote:

Russ Smith wrote:

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Now that is hilarious coming from someone who's clearly reading both Bruinzone, a free board, and BRO a pay board.

There's 2 ways to take what Book said, either it's I've been steering players to other agents before but now it's just you, or after they go pro and ask me for advice, I'll tell them to come to you instead of the other guys I used to recommend. But given that they're literally discussing a deal that's going to pay Book 5K a month to steer CURRENT and future players, I think we can reasonably assume Book had been steering players to agents before the FBI got involved.

Why do you care so much that you're on top of this on a rival board, a neutral board (asfn) and your team's boards? Seriously, what are you trying to accomplish here? You're having this conversation elsewhere. It just comes off as "UCLA honk needs to educate poor little UA fans".

Why do you care so much that you're reading my posts on TWO rival boards and a neutral board?

I already pointed out I haven't see that stuff about Book having already been steering to agents before the Dawkins deal was offered to him. I haven't read every post in this thread but I've yet to find one that disclosed that detail until the KVOA story. There's a big difference between Book just started doing this a few months ago, and Book has been doing it for awhile and just got caught when he got involved with Dawkins and the FBI was involved.

rgdeuce wrote:Season is here and people wanna talk hoops. Get lost Russ.

Silly me I assumed a thread called Bribery Scandal-FBI probe-Book Richardson involved might be about the FBI scandal and not the season. Mea culpa.

TucsonClip wrote:

Russ Smith wrote:

UAdevil wrote:Russ needs to give it up. He's posting the same crap on at least 3 other forums. We don't need your 'wisdom' Russ.

Now that is hilarious coming from someone who's clearly reading both Bruinzone, a free board, and BRO a pay board.

He also could have easily assumed two were UCLA boards, plus the ASFN board that was already posted here. I mean, you turn conjecture, rumors, and assumptions into facts. Why cant we?

That was written so poorly I literally have no idea what your point is?

He said I've posted this on at least 3 other boards, I merely pointed out that 2 of those boards are UCLA boards so if he knows I've posted it there, it's because he's reading TWO UCLA boards, one of which he has to pay to get access to. That would be a bit hypocritical to blast me for posting it on an Arizona board when he's apparently reading 2 UCLA boards regularly enough to see my posts.

I haven't said anything is a fact, and to be clear the author of that story is saying in that story it came from "newly unsealed documents" that were not part of the original FBI release according to him. So either he's wrong and I believed him, or it is in fact new information.

Russ Smith wrote:I literally have no idea what your point is?

Welcome to our world when you post. Pretty fucking annoying, isnt it?

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Irish27 wrote:KVOA has an update, there is some good news and also bad news. The good news, Miller might not of known: According to some of the defendant's own testimony though, Miller and other head coaches may not have been involved. Sports agent Christian Dawkins is quoted as saying "the head coach ain't willing to (take bribes) 'cause they're making too much money. And it's too risky.....better to work with an assistant coach - as opposed to a head coach because then you got direct access to the athletes."

The bad news: According to an FBI complaint the alleged bribery scheme began in the first few months of 2017.
On March 8, 2017, Richardson and another unnamed UA coach sat down with a financial manager named Munish Sood at a Las Vegas restaurant.
Also at that meeting was a confidential witness for the FBI. The diner meeting lasted only a few minutes, but in a recorded conversation, Sood later told the witness the meeting had been "good" and that "the coaches are interested in definitely working with us." The complaint also says Sood later had two more conversations with the unnamed assistant coach.While the other unnamed coach was never arrested or identified by law enforcement officials. The complaint say he later left the University of Arizona. The only coach who has left the UA recently is former Assistant Coach Joe Pasternack.

Several UA players are also mentioned but not named in the complaint. Player 4 received $15,000 in cash. Richardson is described as saying he can funnel Players 6 and 7 to Dawkins and Sood. And a another unnamed players is described as already having taken money.

http://www.kvoa.com/story/36630801/n4t- ... ll-bribery" target="_blank

None of that is new. It's all from the oroginal complaint.

So funny. TV often does this thing where something is already reported based on information available to all, but they do a report anyway.

"We have documents!" says reporter holding papers.

From Hansen:

The FBI has asked Arizona and the NCAA to pause any investigations into college basketball’s ongoing scandal until after federal agents complete their exploration into illegal recruiting.

With the NCAA temporarily stepping out of the FBI’s fact-gathering process, Arizona’s 2017-18 season will almost surely be played without penalties. The postseason and a potential Final Four are in play.

Good to know. So win and hold breath.

TucsonClip wrote:

Russ Smith wrote:I literally have no idea what your point is?

Welcome to our world when you post. Pretty fucking annoying, isnt it?

no my posts make sense, have a point, and are written in English.

Russ Smith wrote:

TucsonClip wrote:

Russ Smith wrote:I literally have no idea what your point is?

Welcome to our world when you post. Pretty fucking annoying, isnt it?

no my posts make sense, have a point, and are written in English.

Haha. No.

Sweet.

Win and vacate

Russ Smith wrote:

rgdeuce wrote:Season is here and people wanna talk hoops. Get lost Russ.

Silly me I assumed a thread called Bribery Scandal-FBI probe-Book Richardson involved might be about the FBI scandal and not the season. Mea culpa.

Maybe should have been more specific: its not the offseason anymore, meaning we have less time/tolerance to deal with your speculative drama.

gumby wrote:From Hansen:

The FBI has asked Arizona and the NCAA to pause any investigations into college basketball’s ongoing scandal until after federal agents complete their exploration into illegal recruiting.

With the NCAA temporarily stepping out of the FBI’s fact-gathering process, Arizona’s 2017-18 season will almost surely be played without penalties. The postseason and a potential Final Four are in play.

Good to know. So win and hold breath.

Is there a link? Sweet anyway you read it though...

And just an FYI for those who have not figured it out, Russ Smith is a UCLA troll, put him on ignore he is not worth reading...I see a few people responding to him, it will clean up the forum if we just ignore his lame ass and let him go away.

Russ if you read this don't bother to respond since I have you on ignore I won't be able to see it...

CatFanOneMil wrote:Is there a link? Sweet anyway you read it though...

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 1f440.html" target="_blank

Russ Smith wrote:

TucsonClip wrote:

Russ Smith wrote:I literally have no idea what your point is?

Welcome to our world when you post. Pretty fucking annoying, isnt it?

no my posts make sense, have a point, and are written in English.

Only in the sad, depressing world you live in.

CalStateTempe wrote:Sweet.

Win and vacate.

Never take down the banner.