Bear Down Wildcats

4 FTs to win the game. 0-4. Nice.

Beachcat97 wrote:4 FTs to win the game. 0-4. Nice.

lol really?

lol. So glad I’m drunk and at a crab feed auction.

Fuck Miller.

Missed FTs, Miller overmanaging and DWWD. Took a lot for us to blow that one. Koloko's man got two baskets to end the game; Zeke had a great block sandwiched between those plays. Then you have the wrong guy on the floor on the offensive end and no timeouts to get Zeke in. And another Miller team that struggles to close games.

We really have zero good wins this year, fellas. Say what you want about Colorado, USC, and ASU, but you know and I know that none of those teams is winning the league.

Miller’s teams always struggle to win close games. Always.

AZCatGirl wrote:We had TWO chances to win at the line and we choke.

And some of you wonder why we're so negative?!

Yeah I don't you are a turd

Beachcat97 wrote:We really have zero good wins this year, fellas. Say what you want about Colorado, USC, and ASU, but you know and I know that none of those teams is winning the league.

Miller’s teams always struggle to win close games. Always.

So fucking stupid

Beachcat97 wrote:We really have zero good wins this year, fellas. Say what you want about Colorado, USC, and ASU, but you know and I know that none of those teams is winning the league.

Miller’s teams always struggle to win close games. Always.

Yup he kills the fun.

No confidence.

East coast tough guy prick.

Fuck Miller.

This loss is on the players.

Period!

That vaunted miller offense taking the air out of the ball up 4 with 3 minutes left. That was when I knew we were fucked. Coach leading the charge to shit the bed again, and the players followed suit.

I am ready for the excuse train.

Good to have another quality home loss on the tourney resume.

I need some ra ra cheerleaders to hit me with the if's and buts, and then tout our NET and KENPOM stats.

This one seemed so predictable to me. I was glad when last season ended. I'm starting to feel this way with this season. Not giving up but my confidence in this team is circling the drain. Same with my confidence in Miller.

pc in NM wrote:This loss is on the players.

Period!

Nope. Year to year our teams always play tight in close games. There’s no confidence in crunch time. That’s 100% on Miller and backed up by a decade of poor results when it matters most.

Altman>>>>>>>midmajor Miller.

At least Altman evolved from Creighton

Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

Captain Obvious wrote:This one seemed so predictable to me. I was glad when last season ended. I'm starting to feel this way with this season. Not giving up but my confidence in this team is circling the drain. Same with my confidence in Miller.

I have no confidence with any Sean Miller coached team that doesn't have a T.J. McConnell or Derrick Williams to save him.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Captain Obvious wrote:This one seemed so predictable to me. I was glad when last season ended. I'm starting to feel this way with this season. Not giving up but my confidence in this team is circling the drain. Same with my confidence in Miller.

I have no confidence with any Sean Miller coached team that doesn't have a T.J. McConnell or Derrick Williams to save him.

Yeah I agree. Those two made Miller appear to be a much better coach than he really is. Not having those types of quality players has revealed his average at best coaching. He's an excellent recruiter but managing talent is another story altogether. So frustrating.

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I feel ya, LH. I'm sorry, man. Like most of us, I had very high hopes for this team, and they continue to disappoint again and again.

Seeing them in person lose to St. John's was an omen of what was ahead.

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

Not that it matters, but on a day that we had our last chance for a good reg season win slip away, Bill Self's Jayhawks went into Waco and beat the number one team in the country. There was a time when we were about even with KU. We competed for the same recruits. We both won a lot of league titles and got deep in the tourney. A decade in to Miller's tenure at UofA (and over 15 into Self's at KU), it's depressing to see how starkly these two programs' paths diverged.

I’ll go to my grave disagreeing with each and every one of you who says Miller is a good recruiter. The recruiting is the foundation of the problem. A team with a lead really should be able to use up clock in final two minutes.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

the women's team is doing some pretty special things right now.

PieceOfMeat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

the women's team is doing some pretty special things right now.

Fair weather

What lh, beach, and choo said...I am right there with them.

Mid major Miller is not the answer.

This season is the nails in the coffin for that thought for me.

I’m done.

PHXCATS wrote:

PieceOfMeat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

the women's team is doing some pretty special things right now.

Fair weather

once again proving you know basically nothing.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

My son is a senior at UofA and he's past the point of caring. I was thinking about Vegas for a father/son trip but glad I didn't book anything. I find myself caring less and less about basketball (and football) every year.

UAEebs86 wrote: I find myself caring less and less about basketball (and football) every year.

Doesn't that just suck though, UAE?

We've never really been much of a football program, but basketball has always been our "proud tradition." Lute Olson built a championship program, and it lasted for multiple decades. The long, steady regression to the middle under Miller's watch has been death by a thousand wounds. A slow, painful decline.

UAEebs86 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

My son is a senior at UofA and he's past the point of caring. I was thinking about Vegas for a father/son trip but glad I didn't book anything. I find myself caring less and less about basketball (and football) every year.

These seniors will graduate having never had anything to hook them to the tradition. As freshman classes come in, there’s no upperclassmen who care enough to provide the example. This is why the Zona Zoo is dying. Something needs to save the tradition, but it can’t be the alumni. The program needs players who can win.

PieceOfMeat wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

the women's team is doing some pretty special things right now.

I get it and I'm very happy for them, but it's not nor will it ever be the same.

Longhorned wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

I'm thoroughly relieved my children are so young and couldn't give a shit less about Arizona Basketball right now. I have such fond memories enjoying Arizona basketball win or lose with my father and brother. I lost that loving feeling with this program and I'm glad I don't have to torture my son's with this. Hopefully one day I'll fall back in love with Arizona basketball and I can share that with my boys, but I highly doubt that'll ever be the case again.

My son is a senior at UofA and he's past the point of caring. I was thinking about Vegas for a father/son trip but glad I didn't book anything. I find myself caring less and less about basketball (and football) every year.

These seniors will graduate having never had anything to hook them to the tradition. As freshman classes come in, there’s no upperclassmen who care enough to provide the example. This is why the Zona Zoo is dying. Something needs to save the tradition, but it can’t be the alumni. The program needs players who can win.

The program needs players who care about the program.

Biggest impression I'm left with is the mental make up of this team is Pathetic. Find ways to lose and Choke terribly down the stretch. Supposed one and dones, 1st rounders Mannion and Green, 1 of 5 from FT in stretch with Green bricking 2 at end of regulation is inexcusable plain and simple. They're both 80% or better on the year and at home, flat out Embarrassing.
Gut check for sure in LA and I'm betting they're swept.

It was a lonnnnnngggggggg drive back from Tucson to Mesa. Thoughts:

1) Payton Pritchard is the PAC12 MVP hands down
2) Altman >>>> Miller
3) Who would have thought in January that the hottest teams in the PAC12 would be playing each other
on thursday and those teams would be asu/UCLA??
4) Looking ahead I think UO/Colo/UCLA sweep their remaining games to finish 1/2/3 in the conference.
The battle will be for #4 between asu/UA. We need to find a way to win Thursday in the Galen
center and then hope asu is swept. That would tie us with asu (I'm not sure who wins the tiebreakers
at that point). As of this minute its likely we finish no better than 5th and end up playing on Wedn.
in Vegas. An 8/9 seed in the NCAA tourney is looking very likely from where I am sitting

Stone Gettings:
“You learn a lot from these close games. As anything else, it’s adversity and it really helps us grow.”

3 freshmen played 37 minutes. Koloko played 16.

Anyone want to cut bait?

ramcat wrote:Biggest impression I'm left with is the mental make up of this team is Pathetic. Find ways to lose and Choke terribly down the stretch. Supposed one and dones, 1st rounders Mannion and Green, 1 of 5 from FT in stretch with Green bricking 2 at end of regulation is inexcusable plain and simple. They're both 80% or better on the year and at home, flat out Embarrassing.
Gut check for sure in LA and I'm betting they're swept.

Mercenaries, all of them.

Miller is not a good recruiter.

CalStateTempe wrote:

ramcat wrote:Biggest impression I'm left with is the mental make up of this team is Pathetic. Find ways to lose and Choke terribly down the stretch. Supposed one and dones, 1st rounders Mannion and Green, 1 of 5 from FT in stretch with Green bricking 2 at end of regulation is inexcusable plain and simple. They're both 80% or better on the year and at home, flat out Embarrassing.
Gut check for sure in LA and I'm betting they're swept.

Mercenaries, all of them.

Miller is not a good recruiter.

Then why are you watching?

Quite possibly the weakest, stupidest take I’ve read on this board. And there have been some masterful ones. Wow.

Miller is obviously a good recruiter. His ability to build a formidable roster? That’s another question altogether. The pieces have to fit.

If your recruiting talent that doesn’t fit your system or can coach up the place the talent your recruit into a position where they can maximize their talent....well...

I’m more of a sum of the parts type of guy rather than a “wow we got some five stars!!!” That can’t perform in millers system.

AZCatGirl wrote:We had TWO chances to win at the line and we choke.

And some of you wonder why we're so negative?!

Is this one Miller’s fault too?

IndianaZonaFan wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:We had TWO chances to win at the line and we choke.

And some of you wonder why we're so negative?!

Is this one Miller’s fault too?

How about the slow down offense, which led to zero points in the last 3 minutes?

His guys missed those free throws yes, but the point is Arizona shouldn't have needed to be in position to make those free throws to win or tie the god damn game.

IndianaZonaFan wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:We had TWO chances to win at the line and we choke.

And some of you wonder why we're so negative?!

Is this one Miller’s fault too?

Absolutely. He's the head coach, he takes blame for every loss

CalStateTempe wrote:

Beachcat97 wrote:We really have zero good wins this year, fellas. Say what you want about Colorado, USC, and ASU, but you know and I know that none of those teams is winning the league.

Miller’s teams always struggle to win close games. Always.

Yup he kills the fun.

No confidence.

East coast tough guy prick.

Fuck Miller.

This is why I avoid this board like the plague after a loss.

All you mean girls enjoying filling in the Burn Book? Fucking calm down Regina...

We are due for a close out win. It's the law of averages.

I'm still holding out hope that the averages turn in March.

Alieberman wrote:We are due for a close out win. It's the law of averages.

I'm still holding out hope that the averages turn in March.

You get your Pepperdine game and you like it. No more soup for you.

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

My sentiments exactly except it's 20 years instead of 30 hah. I just don't care about this team. I have watched 2 complete games all season and maybe parts of half a dozen others.

ChooChooCat wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:We had TWO chances to win at the line and we choke.

And some of you wonder why we're so negative?!

Is this one Miller’s fault too?

How about the slow down offense, which led to zero points in the last 3 minutes?

His guys missed those free throws yes, but the point is Arizona shouldn't have needed to be in position to make those free throws to win or tie the god damn game.

I have never understood the prevent offense/defense. Like Lou Holtz used to say, the only thing the prevent defense does is prevent victory.

You do what you do to get a lead, then you change what you do?

Remember when the UA fans were ready to storm the field v. Oregon, and Stoops goes into the prevent defense IN THE THIRD QUARTER!!!! Huge choke.

Merkin wrote:

ChooChooCat wrote:

IndianaZonaFan wrote:

AZCatGirl wrote:We had TWO chances to win at the line and we choke.

And some of you wonder why we're so negative?!

Is this one Miller’s fault too?

How about the slow down offense, which led to zero points in the last 3 minutes?

His guys missed those free throws yes, but the point is Arizona shouldn't have needed to be in position to make those free throws to win or tie the god damn game.

I have never understood the prevent offense/defense. Like Lou Holtz used to say, the only thing the prevent defense does is prevent victory.

You do what you do to get a lead, then you change what you do?

Remember when the UA fans were ready to storm the field v. Oregon, and Stoops goes into the prevent defense IN THE THIRD QUARTER!!!! Huge choke.

1) Mannion missed 2 of three FT’s....

2) Miller tried to substitute for Koloko, when we successfully defended - but he was denied.... Koloko is the better defender.

If only we had a timeout....

scumdevils86 wrote:

Longhorned wrote:Old timers can vouch for me that I’m saying things here completely unlike I’ve ever said about Arizona basketball. I need to stop posting on the basketball board until after this season is over because I genuinely dislike this team. I’ve been a super fan for over 30 years, and I never imagined I’d feel this way, but the few times I’m able to bring myself to watch this team, I regret it. Mostly I just feel resentful they’re out there representing the program. They obviously aren’t the worst team we’ve had, but given their potential, they’re just ... I won’t say it. But I hope I don’t remember this season once it’s over, and I need to do better to forget about this season now. I really wish most of these players were on different teams so I could feel better rooting against them.

My sentiments exactly except it's 20 years instead of 30 hah. I just don't care about this team. I have watched 2 complete games all season and maybe parts of half a dozen others.

So thankful for you coming in and saying that.

I have come to the conclusion the Cats don't have what it takes to win close games. We don't have a leader, like Pritchard, who can make good things happen at the end of a game with the ball in his hands. For some reason Mannion becomes timid and lacks confidence when it is time to take over. I predict the Cats won't move past the first weekend of the NCAA tourney.

Alieberman wrote:If only we had a timeout....

You get one extra in OT. UA took theirs down 1 with 42 seconds left and drew up a play to score to take the lead. We really gonna cry about that?