Bear Down Wildcats

PHXCATS wrote:So a former employee of ESPN radio here in Phoenix is saying he is hearing from sources in Tucson that Book is gonna rat on UA to reduce jailtime

Unless he is providing information to the FBI regarding a crime that the UA committed, what would be the point? The FBI doesn't care if he spills on some sort of NCAA violations. And one would think that if there were others involved from the UA in this case, the FBI would likely already know about them by now.

CatMG wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:So a former employee of ESPN radio here in Phoenix is saying he is hearing from sources in Tucson that Book is gonna rat on UA to reduce jailtime

Unless he is providing information to the FBI regarding a crime that the UA committed, what would be the point? The FBI doesn't care if he spills on some sort of NCAA violations. And one would think that if there were others involved from the UA in this case, the FBI would likely already know about them by now.

Yes exactly. And when I mentioned that to this personal I was told that I was in denial and am guilty

Kansas played an ineligible player. They will lose the final 4 and it's money and also the league championship when all is said and done. Just like Arizona did wnen Jason Terry took money from an agent without staff knowledge. Bill Self's streak of conference championships is over. That is not just my opinion it is also CBS Sports.

Which player?

Postmaster wrote:Which player?

de Souza

For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Lol the description of de Souza committing out of nowhere sounds exactly like the way fuegs talks about Ayton to Arizona.

enfuego karma strikes again! It's undefeated.

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Pat Forde is a sports journalist who is a national columnist for Yahoo Sports. He previously worked for ESPN and The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky. Wikipedia
Spouse: Tricia Forde
Education: University of Missouri (1987)
Children: Brooke Forde, Mitchell Forde, Clayton Forde


Hmmm... Where did Pat Forde go to college?

UAEebs86 wrote:Lol the description of de Souza committing out of nowhere sounds exactly like the way fuegs talks about Ayton to Arizona.

enfuego karma strikes again! It's undefeated.

So are you suggesting that the ESPN allegation that Ayton got paid is true?

If Book had anything at all it would have been known already. He may have a bullet for the chamber somewhere, but it's going to hurt the sleezeball AAU/Shoe Company circuit, not the UofA. If Book had anything of remote value, he would have used it already.

His only saving grace is the fact he's a nobody, a piss on loser really. He'll get some half-assed probation, told he can't coach High School/College Kids for some period of time (not likely to ever get a job in the realm again anyways). He's a small time crook who cheated on his SAT's and shit on a cop car. He's nobody from nowhere with nothing.

The only potential hurt to Arizona from the limp dicked NCAA is institutional control, which is fucking laughable but the NCAA likes to pretend it's a beacon of moral superiority. We're getting docked 2 scholarships at worst. Most likely 1, and I'd not be remotely shocked if the NCAA just tucked tail and went away completely.

Book is on tape alright, on tape showing what a self satisfying rat he is.

enfuego wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:Lol the description of de Souza committing out of nowhere sounds exactly like the way fuegs talks about Ayton to Arizona.

enfuego karma strikes again! It's undefeated.

So are you suggesting that the ESPN allegation that Ayton got paid is true?

You're not very bright.

enfuego wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Pat Forde is a sports journalist who is a national columnist for Yahoo Sports. He previously worked for ESPN and The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky. Wikipedia
Spouse: Tricia Forde
Education: University of Missouri (1987)
Children: Brooke Forde, Mitchell Forde, Clayton Forde


Hmmm... Where did Pat Forde go to college?

The situation must be pretty dire if that's the first line of defense.

enfuego wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Pat Forde is a sports journalist who is a national columnist for Yahoo Sports. He previously worked for ESPN and The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky. Wikipedia
Spouse: Tricia Forde
Education: University of Missouri (1987)
Children: Brooke Forde, Mitchell Forde, Clayton Forde


Hmmm... Where did Pat Forde go to college?

Hey, at least when Mizzou pays to get players, they do it legally within the NCAA rules, pay payroll taxes on the money spent and report wages to the IRS. I'm pretty sure most of these players have a parent or guardian that would be willing to hang out with their kids after school for a few hours for 6 figures! Plus does it count as an athletics schollie if you attend for free because your parent is an employee?

That would be Genius!!!!! We've been doing it wrong the entire Time!!!

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

enfuego wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Pat Forde is a sports journalist who is a national columnist for Yahoo Sports. He previously worked for ESPN and The Courier-Journal in Louisville, Kentucky. Wikipedia
Spouse: Tricia Forde
Education: University of Missouri (1987)
Children: Brooke Forde, Mitchell Forde, Clayton Forde


Hmmm... Where did Pat Forde go to college?

The situation must be pretty dire if that's the first line of defense.

4 times in recent memory and they can't fix the problem. Hasn't Kansas always had a problem getting guys eligible but there is nothing to see here. Looks like enfuego is targeting his family with that post. Yeah a respected journalist is backing a college grudge by targeting a school that has had 4 issues in a year and a half....lol. Wait till Gatto sings.....it will flip Bill's wig.

enfuego wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:Lol the description of de Souza committing out of nowhere sounds exactly like the way fuegs talks about Ayton to Arizona.

enfuego karma strikes again! It's undefeated.

So are you suggesting that the ESPN allegation that Ayton got paid is true?

It is quite clear that Kansas has paid alot for its players so if that was the case he would have gone to Kansas.

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Kansas is a blue blood so even if they did do wrong nothing will happen to them. They're immune to any kind of serious punishment. It's not in the financial interests of the NCAA. That goes for all the blue bloods; Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. The NCAA and FBI are going to make an example out of programs like Arizona and other programs that are routinely good but not elite. When it's all said and done none of the aforementioned blue blood programs will even get a slap on the wrist. My guess is Arizona gets two years probation, loses a few scholarships, and ends up parting ways with Miller. Hopefully it's not because he was deceptive with the FBI in which case he could see considerable prison time. At this point I'm not sure who to believe. To be honest the whole situation is really starting to get on my nerves.

TheCat wrote:

enfuego wrote:

UAEebs86 wrote:Lol the description of de Souza committing out of nowhere sounds exactly like the way fuegs talks about Ayton to Arizona.

enfuego karma strikes again! It's undefeated.

So are you suggesting that the ESPN allegation that Ayton got paid is true?

It is quite clear that Kansas has paid alot for its players so if that was the case he would have gone to Kansas.

Dude, everybody gets paid. That's the moral of the story.

Captain Obvious wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Kansas is a blue blood so even if they did do wrong nothing will happen to them. They're immune to any kind of serious punishment. It's not in the financial interests of the NCAA. That goes for all the blue bloods; Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. The NCAA and FBI are going to make an example out of programs like Arizona and other programs that are routinely good but not elite. When it's all said and done none of the aforementioned blue blood programs will even get a slap on the wrist. My guess is Arizona gets two years probation, loses a few scholarships, and ends up parting ways with Miller. Hopefully it's not because he was deceptive with the FBI in which case he could see considerable prison time. At this point I'm not sure who to believe. To be honest the whole situation is really starting to get on my nerves.

Kentucky got 3 years probation, 2 year post season ban, tv ban and lost scholarships for playing 2 ineligible players. Maybe they got off light because of who they are and maybe it was a different era, but it happens.

Far as I can tell Arizona hasn't played any ineligible players. Other details are mostly speculation so far. Any prognostication on punishment is pure guessing.

Captain Obvious wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Kansas is a blue blood so even if they did do wrong nothing will happen to them. They're immune to any kind of serious punishment. It's not in the financial interests of the NCAA. That goes for all the blue bloods; Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. The NCAA and FBI are going to make an example out of programs like Arizona and other programs that are routinely good but not elite. When it's all said and done none of the aforementioned blue blood programs will even get a slap on the wrist. My guess is Arizona gets two years probation, loses a few scholarships, and ends up parting ways with Miller. Hopefully it's not because he was deceptive with the FBI in which case he could see considerable prison time. At this point I'm not sure who to believe. To be honest the whole situation is really starting to get on my nerves.

First off the FBI doesn’t give a shit a bout blue bloods. And Kansas has played two ineligible players and as far as we know as we know az hasn’t. Not sure where you think we 2 years probation is a possibility.

3goggles wrote:

Captain Obvious wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Kansas is a blue blood so even if they did do wrong nothing will happen to them. They're immune to any kind of serious punishment. It's not in the financial interests of the NCAA. That goes for all the blue bloods; Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. The NCAA and FBI are going to make an example out of programs like Arizona and other programs that are routinely good but not elite. When it's all said and done none of the aforementioned blue blood programs will even get a slap on the wrist. My guess is Arizona gets two years probation, loses a few scholarships, and ends up parting ways with Miller. Hopefully it's not because he was deceptive with the FBI in which case he could see considerable prison time. At this point I'm not sure who to believe. To be honest the whole situation is really starting to get on my nerves.

First off the FBI doesn’t give a shit a bout blue bloods. And Kansas has played two ineligible players and as far as we know as we know az hasn’t. Not sure where you think we 2 years probation is a possibility.

The FBI case has nothing to do with KU. Last I heard, the FBI cannot dole punishment out to NCAA basketball programs. Now if you want to talk about ineligible players and AZ.... one of them is about to be a lottery pick and two more are going to be second rounders or play professionally in Europe.

enfuego wrote:

3goggles wrote:

Captain Obvious wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Kansas is a blue blood so even if they did do wrong nothing will happen to them. They're immune to any kind of serious punishment. It's not in the financial interests of the NCAA. That goes for all the blue bloods; Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. The NCAA and FBI are going to make an example out of programs like Arizona and other programs that are routinely good but not elite. When it's all said and done none of the aforementioned blue blood programs will even get a slap on the wrist. My guess is Arizona gets two years probation, loses a few scholarships, and ends up parting ways with Miller. Hopefully it's not because he was deceptive with the FBI in which case he could see considerable prison time. At this point I'm not sure who to believe. To be honest the whole situation is really starting to get on my nerves.

First off the FBI doesn’t give a shit a bout blue bloods. And Kansas has played two ineligible players and as far as we know as we know az hasn’t. Not sure where you think we 2 years probation is a possibility.

The FBI case has nothing to do with KU. Last I heard, the FBI cannot dole punishment out to NCAA basketball programs. Now if you want to talk about ineligible players and AZ.... one of them is about to be a lottery pick and two more are going to be second rounders or play professionally in Europe.

Proof?

ASUHATER! wrote:

enfuego wrote:

3goggles wrote:

Captain Obvious wrote:

MC1983 wrote:For the ones or one who thinks Kansas has nothing to worry about.
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/9 ... 8050666496" target="_blank

Kansas is a blue blood so even if they did do wrong nothing will happen to them. They're immune to any kind of serious punishment. It's not in the financial interests of the NCAA. That goes for all the blue bloods; Duke, UNC, Kansas, UCLA, and Kentucky. The NCAA and FBI are going to make an example out of programs like Arizona and other programs that are routinely good but not elite. When it's all said and done none of the aforementioned blue blood programs will even get a slap on the wrist. My guess is Arizona gets two years probation, loses a few scholarships, and ends up parting ways with Miller. Hopefully it's not because he was deceptive with the FBI in which case he could see considerable prison time. At this point I'm not sure who to believe. To be honest the whole situation is really starting to get on my nerves.

First off the FBI doesn’t give a shit a bout blue bloods. And Kansas has played two ineligible players and as far as we know as we know az hasn’t. Not sure where you think we 2 years probation is a possibility.

The FBI case has nothing to do with KU. Last I heard, the FBI cannot dole punishment out to NCAA basketball programs. Now if you want to talk about ineligible players and AZ.... one of them is about to be a lottery pick and two more are going to be second rounders or play professionally in Europe.

Proof?

Richardson only started with the 2018 class. Got it.

So none? Got it.

If someone like Alkins was getting benifits that would have made him ineligible then there is no way J Jackson or Bagley didn't get similar benifits.

Postmaster wrote:If someone like Alkins was getting benifits that would have made him ineligible then there is no way J Jackson or Bagley didn't get similar benifits.

I like how you skipped over the obvious choice, Ayton. KU can't control shoe agents, just like UA can't control coaching staff.

You are the one that brought Alkins and trier into the conversation.

Fuegs is so butt hurt it's hilarious. Logic and facts are not your strong suit. Stick to the shitty recruiting jokes with Harlem Globetrotters.

Nm

enfuego wrote:

Postmaster wrote:If someone like Alkins was getting benifits that would have made him ineligible then there is no way J Jackson or Bagley didn't get similar benifits.

I like how you skipped over the obvious choice, Ayton. KU can't control shoe agents, just like UA can't control coaching staff.

Fuego u have the answers and the facts the ncaa and FBI need ur assistance. Az and the ncaa cleared everyone and if u think ncaa compliance wasn't investigatigatimg AZ ur crazy.

enfuego wrote:

Postmaster wrote:If someone like Alkins was getting benifits that would have made him ineligible then there is no way J Jackson or Bagley didn't get similar benifits.

I like how you skipped over the obvious choice, Ayton. KU can't control shoe agents, just like UA can't control coaching staff.

Arizona had a similar situation where Jason Terry received approx. $16K from an agent. No one on the staff had a clue. The result....U of A had to pay back all tourney money and vacated the wins in the tourney and I believed forfeited the conference title. Plenty of precedence on the correct punishment. Kisss the final 4 goodbye.....get ready to give back $1M or so and kiss the consecutive conf title streak goodbye.

Oh and I think we lost our consecutive tourney streak......at least in the NCAA record book.

Enfuego's feelings are so freaking hurt right now. I normally wouldn't enjoy such a thing, but with this prick, I'm gonna go ahead and drink that milkshake. Eat a dick jayhawk.

To the guy predicting two years probation. Are you out of your damn mind? Arizona is a lot closer to receiving zero punishment then any sort of ban. At most it's two scholarships for not telling Book to kick rocks years ago.

People need to step back and look at the NCAA's past history and where it's consequences have been going the last few years. That company is a paper tiger. Louisville got off pretty light (unless you're one of those weirdos who think vacating past performances is an actual thing and that because a bunch of stiff nancy boys won't have it written down in their worthless almanac so it didn't really happen outlook.) UNC went and Pete Rosed itself and the NCAA did nothing, UNC has made a mockery of the amateurism rules, and the student athlete construct. The NCAA itself knows it's nothing more than a ATM at this point, it's lost all moral high ground. It's impotent. Fuck it.... in it's stupid ass.

Two years...

TucsonClip wrote:Fuegs is so butt hurt it's hilarious. Logic and facts are not your strong suit. Stick to the shitty recruiting jokes with Harlem Globetrotters.

Well if he read that article about KU he probably understands how they're about to be Louisvilled so he's lashing out a bit, which is to be somewhat expected when the thing you love is going to be reduced to ashes.

BibbysTowelDude wrote:That company is a paper tiger. Louisville got off pretty light (unless you're one of those weirdos who think vacating past performances is an actual thing and that because a bunch of stiff nancy boys won't have it written down in their worthless almanac so it didn't really happen outlook.) UNC went and Pete Rosed itself and the NCAA did nothing, UNC has made a mockery of the amateurism rules, and the student athlete construct. The NCAA itself knows it's nothing more than a ATM at this point, it's lost all moral high ground. It's impotent. Fuck it.... in it's stupid ass.

EXXXXXXACTLY.

Committee recommendations are coming Wednesday:

https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/ ... 1.18174741" target="_blank

Irish27 wrote:

There are some Arizona fans doing work commenting on Schlabach's tweet.

Irish27 wrote:

sorry I thought the tweet was referring to the Miller wiretap story

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... d/22559284

I'm not sure what players program u is getting at.

What they're getting at is the only story released since the Arizona story by Schlabach has been taken down by ESPN. At least i think it's the only piece he's written

He also wrote this:
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... ssion=true" target="_blank

When he tweeted about it the link he put in his twit was incorrect and sent you to a "page not found" screen.

This is the first I've seen of the actual article.

It is all about adidas. Ku, nc st. Miami...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Mark_Schlaba ... 54816?s=09" target="_blank[tweet][/tweet]

And apparently I don't know how to embed a twit on my phone.

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:And apparently I don't know how to embed a twit on my phone.

Eliminate everything in the link from the ? on.

Thanks bud. Wonder how long I can get away with being dumb and cute?

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:And apparently I don't know how to embed a twit on my phone.

Twits? I thought they were called twats?

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

U.P. Zona Fan wrote:And apparently I don't know how to embed a twit on my phone.

Twits? I thought they were called twats?

You're thinking of Twatter.

"You have derailed"
-Richard.

Wow, 5-year postseason ban for schools that cheat. That would destroy a program like the UofA, http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank.

Irish27 wrote:Wow, 5-year postseason ban for schools that cheat. That would destroy a program like the UofA, http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank.

Just a recommendation at this point.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Irish27 wrote:Wow, 5-year postseason ban for schools that cheat. That would destroy a program like the UofA, http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank.

Just a recommendation at this point.

The NCAA will probably take it. This recommendation is exactly consistent with the NCAA model. They want to do what is best for the players. Because it's better that Bowen gets 0 dollars to play for Louisville as opposed to getting $150,000 to play for Louisville.

Same joke organization, different day.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Irish27 wrote:Wow, 5-year postseason ban for schools that cheat. That would destroy a program like the UofA, http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank.

Just a recommendation at this point.

Unfortunately these Recommendations will likely be accepted and in full force by the time the NCAA gets around to formally investigating and charging the UA. Books trial won't take place until next year.

ChooChooCat wrote:

Irish27 wrote:Wow, 5-year postseason ban for schools that cheat. That would destroy a program like the UofA, http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket ... tions-ncaa" target="_blank.

Just a recommendation at this point.

Also, remember the NCAA is the schools. They do the bidding of the schools. The schools that run this show are major conference schools, many of whom have been on probation or have names on the list, etc...

I really do not see the NCAA enacting such a thing for violations occurring prior to the establishment of the penalty for a ton of reasons, not the least of which is the schools won't be OK with that, and then I really do not see the NCAA handing out such a penalty to any major school. But Wisconsin-GB better walk the straight and narrow.

The NCAA operates the collective home of a bunch of schools. And this is a business.