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Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:52 pm
by Beachcat97
RondaeShimmy wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:42 pm
Beachcat97 wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:34 pm What's a tough pill is that we really stand to gain nothing by winning tonight and tomorrow. We can't improve our seed, and we can't become the top overall seed. I guess it's good for our confidence to win two more games? More reps for Bal?
Two more opportunities for a freak injury
It's hard to get all bent out of shape. Every team in the country has to play in a league tourney, so it's not like we're being disadvantaged.

But yeah, given the laughably low stakes of the conference tourneys, these games are just hard to watch at times.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:15 pm
by Alieberman
I think regular season champs… especially from the smaller conferences should get at least a double bye if these tournaments have to happen

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:26 pm
by EastCoastCat
I said it in another thread.

Conference Tourneys only for non-Power 5 leagues to leave that Cinderella opportunity alive. If you are a power 5 bubble team, tough shit. Should have played better in the regular season.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:51 am
by Irish27

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:52 am
by Irish27

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:15 pm
by RondaeShimmy
RondaeShimmy wrote: Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:31 pm
RondaeShimmy wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:31 am
97cats wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:04 am
RondaeShimmy wrote: Thu Feb 17, 2022 10:59 amI wouldn't mind Arizona losing in the conf tournament, almost every past eventual champion losses there (early too).
yes maybe perhaps but still no for me
Can I convince you that it's best we lose there in the semifinals or something

2021 Baylor - lost in Semis
2019 Virginia - lost in semis
2018 Villanova - won conf tournament
2017 North Carolina - lost in semis
2016 Villanova - lost in final
2015 Duke - lost in Semis
2014 UConn - lost in final
2013 Louisville - won conf tournament
2012 Kentucky - lost in final
2011 UConn - won conf tournament
2010 Duke - won conf tournament
2009 north Carolina - lost in semis

Usually it's best to lose in conf tournament because it's really hard to win like 12-15+ games in a row if you haven't lost before the tournament. If you go into the tournament winning say 4+ in a row plus 3+ in the conf tournament and then 6 in the NCAA tournament, that's really hard to do. It usually means you're bound for a stinker of a game and if it happens in the tournament, well you're season is over

Right now Arizona has won 6 in a row.
RondaeShimmy wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:52 am
Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:30 am Another thought: if Gonzaga does lose, and win out, is there any chance Tommy pumps the brakes a little in the Pac tourney, maybe resting our guys who've had injuries (Tubelis, Kriisa)? Or is it pedal to the metal from here on out?
Hell yeah we should lose there, pretty much every recent Natty champ has lost in the conference tournament.

Arizona is currently on a 9 game win streak.... The last several national champions win streaks to win the 'chip...

2021 Baylor -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2019 Virginia -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2018 Villanova -- 11
2017 North Carolina -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2016 Villanova -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2015 Duke -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2014 UConn -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2013 Louisville -- 16
2012 Kentucky -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2011 UConn -- 11 (all tournament wins)
2010 Duke -- 10
2009 North Carolina -- 6 (conference tournament loss)
2008 Kansas -- 13
2007 Florida -- 10
2006 Florida -- 11
2005 North Carolina -- 6 (conference tournament loss)

Really in modern college basketball ('12 is the start of this era imo), championship teams get their loss out of the way in the conference tournament

It isn't worth the extreme energy exhausted there to get something not as important when they're already likely have the 1 seed on lock
Perfect time to lose and rest up :)

Got the #1 seed already locked up
Welp. Still a shot if we're coinciding with past champions history if we lose tonight.

Basically winning a championship after winning a conference championship has happened twice in the past 10 years. The era of one and done.

Arizona currently has won 5 in a row, tonight could be 6. Winning it all would require 12 in a row. Again a winning streak of 6+ games to finish the season is something that has only happened twice in the one and done era/past 10 years.

Arizona can be the third team to do it (good enough to do it imo). A loss wouldn't hurt though, got the excuse of having an injured starter. But by not losing yesterday, you don't get the rest anyway so might as well win it?

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:19 pm
by Alieberman
Winning or losing tonight has zero indication of how well we will do in the real dance.

Our health does though. We just need a clean game tonight and hope Kerr is a quick healer

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:29 pm
by RondaeShimmy
In a vacuum yes, but it's really hard to finish off the season winning 10+ in a row (winning it all would require 12).

Consider how Arizona had won 9 in a row before going to Colorado. You don't want that stinker to come at the end of the season, the game where absolutely everything goes wrong, everyone is cold, the energy/intensity isn't there etc.

Getting a loss out of the way just before and being laser focused after has clearly been beneficial to the overwhelming majority of recent champs.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:33 pm
by dovecanyoncat
No reason not to spread out PT * tonight and to try different sets/tactics and to clean up previous weak spots. Treat this as a scrimmage with St. Mary's that comes at the end of the year instead of the beginning.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:34 pm
by Beachcat97
RondaeShimmy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:29 pm In a vacuum yes, but it's really hard to finish off the season winning 10+ in a row (winning it all would require 12).

Consider how Arizona had won 9 in a row before going to Colorado. You don't want that stinker to come at the end of the season, the game where absolutely everything goes wrong, everyone is cold, the energy/intensity isn't there etc.

Getting a loss out of the way just before and being laser focused after has clearly been beneficial to the overwhelming majority of recent champs.
Exactly. Of course this game tonight means a lot to our guys, and maybe they'll surprise me and play their best game of the Pac tourney tonight. But the reality is that this game means NOTHING for our seeding and has no bearing on what happens next week.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 1:00 pm
by pc in NM
Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:34 pm
RondaeShimmy wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 12:29 pm In a vacuum yes, but it's really hard to finish off the season winning 10+ in a row (winning it all would require 12).

Consider how Arizona had won 9 in a row before going to Colorado. You don't want that stinker to come at the end of the season, the game where absolutely everything goes wrong, everyone is cold, the energy/intensity isn't there etc.

Getting a loss out of the way just before and being laser focused after has clearly been beneficial to the overwhelming majority of recent champs.
Exactly. Of course this game tonight means a lot to our guys, and maybe they'll surprise me and play their best game of the Pac tourney tonight. But the reality is that this game means NOTHING for our seeding and has no bearing on what happens next week.
Yada, yada, yada…

BTFD, and play to win!!!!

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:46 pm
by 97cats
if Arizona were to lose to UCLA it would effect region for sure, but not seed

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:11 pm
by ProfessorFate
97cats wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:46 pm if Arizona were to lose to UCLA it would effect region for sure, but not seed
I don't think so. I think we are 99% San Antonio regardless. I think Kansas is the only team that can pass us on the one line, and even if they do, they would send them to Chicago.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm
by Alieberman
Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:20 pm
by Beachcat97
97cats wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:46 pm if Arizona were to lose to UCLA it would effect region for sure, but not seed
How confident are you about tonight, 97?

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:26 pm
by Frybry02
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:29 pm
by Beachcat97
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:26 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
Of course they do. Anyone saying otherwise hasn't been paying attention. Duke beat Kentucky and Gonzaga.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:30 pm
by Alieberman
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:26 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:52 pm
by Frybry02
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:30 pm
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:26 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume
The NCAA wants eyes and make TV partners happy. With Baylor, auburn, and Kentucky losing it gives the committee justification for duke to move to the last #1. Though I don’t agree with it.

They will milk the coach K swan song and hope Duke is around for a long time

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:54 pm
by UAEebs86
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
Have you cleared that with Lunardi's toupee?

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:00 pm
by Alieberman
UAEebs86 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:54 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
Have you cleared that with Lunardi's toupee?
The toupee agrees:

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:25 pm
by Frybry02
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:52 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:30 pm
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:26 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume
The NCAA wants eyes and make TV partners happy. With Baylor, auburn, and Kentucky losing it gives the committee justification for duke to move to the last #1. Though I don’t agree with it.

They will milk the coach K swan song and hope Duke is around for a long time
Please disregard… :mrgreen:

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:59 pm
by U.P. Zona Fan
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:25 pm
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:52 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:30 pm
Frybry02 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:26 pm
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 6:19 pm Your 2021-2022 #1 seeds

Gonzaga
Arizona
Kansas
Baylor
If duke wins, I think they replace Baylor on the 1 line.
I think Purdue would have a better chance than Duke... but I don't think either of them have the resume
The NCAA wants eyes and make TV partners happy. With Baylor, auburn, and Kentucky losing it gives the committee justification for duke to move to the last #1. Though I don’t agree with it.

They will milk the coach K swan song and hope Duke is around for a long time
Please disregard… :mrgreen:
They'll have to milk him from the 2 or three line. Can't move up to a 1 seed when you lose to va tech to give them enough juice to get in to the tourney. K is getting generous as he ages.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:39 pm
by AZCatGirl
Anyone who watched tonight's game would agree we should be the #1 overall seed.

I know we won't get it, but we absolutely are the best team in the country.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm
by scumdevils86
Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:04 pm
by Alieberman
An Arizona #1 seed is still not locked up- Dmjcat

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:13 pm
by dovecanyoncat
scumdevils86 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
"Because fuck Arizona."

~ Basketball America

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:17 pm
by Olsondogg
Alieberman wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:04 pm An Arizona #1 seed is still not locked up- Dmjcat
He still is waiting for that Utah loss to prove 97 wrong.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:19 pm
by Beachcat97
scumdevils86 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
Had we lost tonight, it would've been pretty easy to call the Zags the top overall seed. Now we have two wins over the same team that's Gonzaga's best win of the year. So yeah, I'm not real clear on why we shouldn't be the #1 overall seed.

Gonzaga also arguably lost their hardest road game of the year @St. Mary's, whereas we won @Illinois.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:29 pm
by Irish27
Last time the Cats won an Elite 8 game, it was played in San Antonio. Remember when they showed Kerr and Elliot showing up to the arena during the game? I don't mind if they get the #1 in the South. Cats have not done so well when they play in California and the Elite 8.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:34 pm
by FreeSpiritCat
Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:19 pm
scumdevils86 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
Had we lost tonight, it would've been pretty easy to call the Zags the top overall seed. Now we have two wins over the same team that's Gonzaga's best win of the year. So yeah, I'm not real clear on why we shouldn't be the #1 overall seed.

Gonzaga also arguably lost their hardest road game of the year @St. Mary's, whereas we won @Illinois.
We had our chance when the Zags lost to St. Mary's. But the Cats lost to Colorado. The Zags held serve after that and I don't have a problem with them being the top overall seed.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:35 pm
by Longhorned
I see the argument for Gonzaga but I see it for Arizona at least as much

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:39 pm
by Beachcat97
Catintheheat wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:34 pm
Beachcat97 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:19 pm
scumdevils86 wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 9:54 pm Why on earth should Gonzaga be #1
Had we lost tonight, it would've been pretty easy to call the Zags the top overall seed. Now we have two wins over the same team that's Gonzaga's best win of the year. So yeah, I'm not real clear on why we shouldn't be the #1 overall seed.

Gonzaga also arguably lost their hardest road game of the year @St. Mary's, whereas we won @Illinois.
We had our chance when the Zags lost to St. Mary's. But the Cats lost to Colorado. The Zags held serve after that and I don't have a problem with them being the top overall seed.
I don't either. Just gimme the South region without Illinois, Baylor or Texas Tech, and we're all good. Seems likely that Tennessee could be the 3 in our region.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:53 pm
by Fishclamps
I'll take any Big 10 team right now they're all playing like hot garbage

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:30 am
by CatFan1399
Please keep Illinois away from us. I don’t think my heart could take that.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:39 am
by Chicat
Please give us Auburn as the 2 seed, Duke as the 3, and Providence as the 4. That would make me ever so happy.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:50 am
by Irish27

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:51 am
by Irish27

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:52 am
by Irish27

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:56 am
by Alieberman
Chicat wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:39 am Please give us Auburn as the 2 seed, Duke as the 3, and Providence as the 4. That would make me ever so happy.
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Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:59 am
by ASUHATER!
Bracket matrix has Baylor and Kansas as being the other 1 seeds with Kentucky and Auburn in the running but not that close.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:00 am
by CatFan1399
I’d love this bracket. Wouldn’t mind Purdue as a two-seed in our bracket; thinking Arizona could exploit their lack of defense.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:15 am
by Longhorned
Arizona is so fucking good that I've lost a lot interest in the bracket.

Anybody can beat anybody, and nobody has a good chance to reach the Final Four, but I have no concerns about any match-up.

I don't buy for a second that I should be concerned with certain opponents' strengths or playing style. This team will figure out anything by about halfway into the second half.

My biggest concern is about match-ups. It's about needing to keep Kerr on the floor when he's limited by the injury. But I think my concern is more about getting Kadeem'd a la Wichita State, which is more about my own baggage than reality. When Pelle is on the floor with Terry, Kier, and Benn, this team probably has too many ball handlers on the floor for that to work.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:24 am
by UAEebs86
I hope the fans of the other top teams are saying "I don't want Arizona in our bracket."

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:40 am
by prh
CatFan1399 wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:00 am
I’d love this bracket. Wouldn’t mind Purdue as a two-seed in our bracket; thinking Arizona could exploit their lack of defense.
Purdue is not going make the E8 with their defense

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:40 am
by Chicat
UAEebs86 wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:24 am I hope the fans of the other top teams are saying "I don't want Arizona in our bracket."
I’ve heard that from an Illinois fan, a Wisconsin fan, an Iowa State fan, and a Duke fan.

It feels great.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:46 am
by phxcat23
UAEebs86 wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:24 am I hope the fans of the other top teams are saying "I don't want Arizona in our bracket."
I don’t think anyone wants us or UCLA after that game. Might not have may teams from the PAC in, but they are lethal matchups for anyone.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:48 am
by CalStateTempe
Chicat wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:40 am
UAEebs86 wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:24 am I hope the fans of the other top teams are saying "I don't want Arizona in our bracket."
I’ve heard that from an Illinois fan, a Wisconsin fan, an Iowa State fan, and a Duke fan.

It feels great.
I would love a “redemption tour/We’re gonna serve your ass” type of bracket with duke, Illinois, and Wisconsin.

Throw in Syracuse for good mention too. And Xavier, I want to see bill Murray’s smug face crying in my big screen.

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:02 am
by CalStateTempe
Any slim chances the zags get shipped since we are so bad ass? I was hoping to see the cats in SF

Re: Official Bracketology Thread

Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:05 am
by scumdevils86
Welcome back cst!