Bear Down Wildcats

NYCat wrote:If Miller is hopeful it can be resolved by tommorow I am too.

Exactly. Feeling hopeful.

Nite fellas. Good win tonight. Rawle was huge.

NYCat wrote:

“Recently, a trace amount of the same drug was found in his system and that minuscule amount is why he missed those games last year. One of the top Drug and Toxicologist Doctors in the U.S. stated that the amount detected in Allonzo’s urine is the equivalent of six grains of salt in 10 Olympic Sized swimming pools, and had zero effect on his performance.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... izona-ncaa" target="_blank

Between Parkland and Trier this week, every national administrative organization that starts with N and ends in A is dead to me.

The NCAA is becoming as corrupt as Trump, and I don't give a damn if Machina or whoever else reports the "politics" in this post. Timing dude.

HiCat wrote:

NYCat wrote:

“Recently, a trace amount of the same drug was found in his system and that minuscule amount is why he missed those games last year. One of the top Drug and Toxicologist Doctors in the U.S. stated that the amount detected in Allonzo’s urine is the equivalent of six grains of salt in 10 Olympic Sized swimming pools, and had zero effect on his performance.

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... izona-ncaa" target="_blank

By the NCAA's ass backwards rules, they'll find a way to sit him the rest of the season.

Everyone knows PED's don't directly enhance performance for months, and he had to sit that long last year. We shoud go UNC and say a class on taking PED's are offered as core curriculum at Arizona to all students. It's just an institutional decision.

PHXCATS wrote:

splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.

How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.

This is your last post actively rooting for the NCAA to maliciously punish a dedicated Wildcat. Last one. Push it. I’m sick of your shit. I will follow you around like a puppy and smack your nose whenever you do something wrong until you learn.

Grow the fuck up or get the fuck out.

The above post is embarrassing.

Tell em jmark!

BOOM!!

Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

It has to be very easy to tell from the test results this is residual from the 2016 ingestion or a second one. I really doubt Arizona would appeal a second ingestion. That leaves the residual, which isn't Trier's fault.

Sad to see uneducated people get after him.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

It has to be very easy to tell from the test results this is residual from the 2016 ingestion or a second one. I really doubt Arizona would appeal a second ingestion. That leaves the residual, which isn't Trier's fault.

Sad to see uneducated people get after him.

Yeah, seems very unlikely that it would be a new ingestion if the amount reported is true considering how long it takes to get out of your body.

DrWildcat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

It has to be very easy to tell from the test results this is residual from the 2016 ingestion or a second one. I really doubt Arizona would appeal a second ingestion. That leaves the residual, which isn't Trier's fault.

Sad to see uneducated people get after him.

Yeah, seems very unlikely that it would be a new ingestion if the amount reported is true considering how long it takes to get out of your body.

It's another example of poor journalism at its finest. The ESPN special

DrWildcat wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

It has to be very easy to tell from the test results this is residual from the 2016 ingestion or a second one. I really doubt Arizona would appeal a second ingestion. That leaves the residual, which isn't Trier's fault.

Sad to see uneducated people get after him.

Yeah, seems very unlikely that it would be a new ingestion if the amount reported is true considering how long it takes to get out of your body.

And considering that they also have several clean tests in between. Wouldn't they have a test at some point that would show a higher amount indicative of recent usage?
To go from zero to 6 grains of salt in 10 Olympic sized swimming pools should prove that this is a remnant from 2016 and not new ingestion.

the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

This. Allonzo was cleared, as agreed, when his numbers reached below a specified level. This test completely renegs. It isn't a matter of "rules are rules." It's pure ill-will, and an aggressive bending of facts to disqualify a player.

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

That's pathetic but sadly inline with what the NCAA does. They don't actually care about the student athletes at all and it shows repeatedly.

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If he hasn’t, its time for trier to lawyer up.

He's going to be cleared. Just seems inevitable.

according to Trier's attorney Steve Thompson

http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcat ... 46e8e.html" target="_blank

He is ready to go already

jajoyce wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If it's true they cleared him with a trace amount, then suspended him for a trace amount that was left over from the first run, I'd think that is a legit strategy.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

jajoyce wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If it's true they cleared him with a trace amount, then suspended him for a trace amount that was left over from the first run, I'd think that is a legit strategy.

Exactly, the issue with with the NCAA and their data free policies and not Trier

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

jajoyce wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If it's true they cleared him with a trace amount, then suspended him for a trace amount that was left over from the first run, I'd think that is a legit strategy.

It's capricious and makes the student-athlete and object of slander and jeopardizes his future. This is some pretty aggressive shit.

Beachcat97 wrote:He's going to be cleared. Just seems inevitable.

Probably, but when.

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

Hot Take Television!

Fuck him and ESPN

I swear I’ll rage if he isn’t cleared.

Is anyone else bothered by the failure to simplify? 3 grains of salt in 5 Olympic sized swimming pools dammit!

DrWildcat wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

That's pathetic but sadly inline with what the NCAA does. They don't actually care about the student athletes at all and it shows repeatedly.

If the amount in the test was less than the threshold given to clear him last year, fuck that shit. Heeke, Arizona and Trier's team should sue the living fucking shit out of the NCAA

UAEebs86 wrote:

SteveKerrsStroke wrote:Just watched Outside the Lines on ESPN and for their "Villain of the Week" segment Adnan Virk went with Trier.

Joked about how somebody manages to fail two drug tests in two years and the rest of the crew piled on.

Morons

Hot Take Television!

Fuck him and ESPN

Yep, ESPN is trash, fuck that shit

I’d tack on defamation of character to the lawsuit.

CalStateTempe wrote:I’d tack on defamation of character to the lawsuit.

Yep, plus double jeopardy and violation of contract.

Throw in Larry Scott and the PAC-12 just to drag them through the mud and to speed the process along.

Longhorned wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

jajoyce wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If it's true they cleared him with a trace amount, then suspended him for a trace amount that was left over from the first run, I'd think that is a legit strategy.

It's capricious and makes the student-athlete and object of slander and jeopardizes his future. This is some pretty aggressive shit.

The biggest hook is the extent to which the NCAA is internally inconsistent with their decisionmaking. Selective enforcement to target and individual is always a concern.

If he actually had a lower level than the one at which he was previously cleared and it is just failure to eliminate it, the NCAA's process for him has been differently enforced.

If nothing else, Trier's lawyer likely wants to drive the narrative and place the NCAA in the limelight. I would be surprised if the NCAA wants to dig in on this particular issue.

The biggest danger is that no one cares. The NCAA is very PR sensitive, and if this gets lost, Trier's college career could die in silence.

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

Wait wait wait...

So he was cleared last year by the NCAA when the amount in his system reached a certain level. And now he he was suspended for an amount less than that certain level he was cleared at? Am I understanding that correctly??

Frybry02 wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

Wait wait wait...

So he was cleared last year by the NCAA when the amount in his system reached a certain level. And now he he was suspended for an amount less than that certain level he was cleared at? Am I understanding that correctly??

Yes.

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

jajoyce wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If it's true they cleared him with a trace amount, then suspended him for a trace amount that was left over from the first run, I'd think that is a legit strategy.

It's capricious and makes the student-athlete and object of slander and jeopardizes his future. This is some pretty aggressive shit.

The biggest hook is the extent to which the NCAA is internally inconsistent with their decisionmaking. Selective enforcement to target and individual is always a concern.

If he actually had a lower level than the one at which he was previously cleared and it is just failure to eliminate it, the NCAA's process for him has been differently enforced.

If nothing else, Trier's lawyer likely wants to drive the narrative and place the NCAA in the limelight. I would be surprised if the NCAA wants to dig in on this particular issue.

The biggest danger is that no one cares. The NCAA is very PR sensitive, and if this gets lost, Trier's college career could die in silence.

Lots of high profile people are caring right now, have to keep that being the case

Longhorned wrote:

Frybry02 wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

Wait wait wait...

So he was cleared last year by the NCAA when the amount in his system reached a certain level. And now he he was suspended for an amount less than that certain level he was cleared at? Am I understanding that correctly??

Yes.

Am I missing something? Has the definition of logic changed?

If don’t hear anything by 5p eastern do we head to the panic room?

CalStateTempe wrote:If don’t hear anything by 5p eastern do we head to the panic room?

Trier was cleared on a Saturday last year.

It was a Friday and it was leaked Friday night. Miller wasnt happy. If he is, it would have happened now since its 5pm est. If so, awesome but still mad. But its a lesson learned that if he is, it will be super secret to throw Oregon off.

Frybry02 wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Frybry02 wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

Wait wait wait...

So he was cleared last year by the NCAA when the amount in his system reached a certain level. And now he he was suspended for an amount less than that certain level he was cleared at? Am I understanding that correctly??

Yes.

Am I missing something? Has the definition of logic changed?

The logic is that the January 2018 testing revealed a trace of the banned substance, so they're treating it as a new occurrence, since it was found in a test subsequent to his post-appeal clearance in January 2017. Instead of relying on medical science and human reasoning, they're going by the book, where the rules say this is a banned substance -- and look! -- here it is in the player's body. Therefore, this circumstance is new and doesn't pertain to last season's appeal. Because the NCAA officials are in charge and they can do whatever the fuck they want. There are reasons why people involved in college sports hate the NCAA.

catgrad97 wrote:Between Parkland and Trier this week, every national administrative organization that starts with N and ends in A is dead to me.

The NCAA is becoming as corrupt as Trump, and I don't give a damn if Machina or whoever else reports the "politics" in this post. Timing dude.

keep your political commentary to the political rage board

JMarkJohns wrote:

PHXCATS wrote:

splitsecond wrote:the NCAA is a joke.

How so, there is measurable amounts of a banned substance in a test.

The NCAA did us a huge favor before. Hopefully they can continue to test often again.

This is your last post actively rooting for the NCAA to maliciously punish a dedicated Wildcat. Last one. Push it. I’m sick of your shit. I will follow you around like a puppy and smack your nose whenever you do something wrong until you learn.

Grow the fuck up or get the fuck out.

The above post is embarrassing.

:applause:

mrqsjhnsnsux wrote:Is anyone else bothered by the failure to simplify? 3 grains of salt in 5 Olympic sized swimming pools dammit!

Seriously. It kills me that this is all over what amounts to .75 grains of salt in 1.25 Olympic sized swimming pools.

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

After reading ESPN's list of schools and players implicated by the ASM docs that Yahoo News got ahold of my current conspiracy is someone is mad Arizona didn't make the kill list.

Guys we need to get to the foothils and give Sean Miller hugs. The man needs hugs!

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

Longhorned wrote:

Spaceman Spiff wrote:

jajoyce wrote:

97cats wrote:the amount is less than the last test when he was eventually cleared - it’s maddening

dare I say someone or somebodies are fishing

sad sad sad

I'm not a lawyer, but at somepoint (i.e. today) I think you would sue to get an emergency injunction on this if the NCAA does not make a decision by 5:00pm EST.

If it's true they cleared him with a trace amount, then suspended him for a trace amount that was left over from the first run, I'd think that is a legit strategy.

It's capricious and makes the student-athlete and object of slander and jeopardizes his future. This is some pretty aggressive shit.

The biggest hook is the extent to which the NCAA is internally inconsistent with their decisionmaking. Selective enforcement to target and individual is always a concern.

If he actually had a lower level than the one at which he was previously cleared and it is just failure to eliminate it, the NCAA's process for him has been differently enforced.

If nothing else, Trier's lawyer likely wants to drive the narrative and place the NCAA in the limelight. I would be surprised if the NCAA wants to dig in on this particular issue.

The biggest danger is that no one cares. The NCAA is very PR sensitive, and if this gets lost, Trier's college career could die in silence.

Phoenix radio is even bashing the NCAA for this. People care - the NCAA is a fucking joke right now. I believe they are trying to pre-save face by going overboard on what little they have any attention to right now.

Longhorned wrote:
The logic is that the January 2018 testing revealed a trace of the banned substance, so they're treating it as a new occurrence, since it was found in a test subsequent to his post-appeal clearance in January 2017. Instead of relying on medical science and human reasoning, they're going by the book, where the rules say this is a banned substance -- and look! -- here it is in the player's body. Therefore, this circumstance is new and doesn't pertain to last season's appeal. Because the NCAA officials are in charge and they can do whatever the fuck they want. There are reasons why people involved in college sports hate the NCAA.

pretty much, thank you

fuck ASU

Hopefully the publicity only gets louder. That's the only thing the NCAA actually might really care about.

For the record, I'm explicitly stating fairness to the student-athlete is not part of the NCAA equation.

azgreg wrote:

Exactly. So bummed by all of this news. #freezo

Russ Smith talking mad shit on sone other boards...he'll probably show up here soon...