Bear Down Wildcats

The @pac12 has reached a sports data and technology deal with Tempus Ex Machina to manage and market the conference’s data rights.

The arrangement could set the stage for monetization of live data in the future.

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:39 pm

The Pac 12 Network had an office?

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:37 pm

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:39 pm

The Pac 12 Network had an office?

Yeah an insanely expensive one in SF if I recall correctly. One of Larry Scott's great decisions

That’s the PAC-12 office.

I believe the PAC-12 Network office was in LA.

Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:10 am That’s the PAC-12 office.

I believe the PAC-12 Network office was in LA.

The P12 Network headquarters are in the same complex as the P12 offices.

https://www.tri-cityherald.com/sports/a ... 20915.html

The Pac-12 Conference will not renew the lease at its downtown San Francisco headquarters and will have its employees work remotely instead of maintaining a permanent league office. The conference's lease expires in June 2023. The conference was based in the San Francisco suburb of Walnut Creek until 2014, when it moved to be in the same complex with the Pac-12 Network. The Pac-12 Network's production facilities will need to find a new home. They could remain in San Francisco but other options are Los Angeles, Phoenix or Las Vegas.

Read more at: https://www.tri-cityherald.com/sports/a ... rylink=cpy

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 pm Yeah an insanely expensive one in SF if I recall correctly. One of Larry Scott's great decisions

I saw the other day it was $92 million in rent over the last 11 years. I'm told that's a lot.

Pinterest paid $89.5 million just to cancel their lease for new San Francisco offices.

Salesforce and Yelp also are canceling SF leases.

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:22 am

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 pm Yeah an insanely expensive one in SF if I recall correctly. One of Larry Scott's great decisions

I saw the other day it was $92 million in rent over the last 11 years. I'm told that's a lot.

When you get production values that look like the 11 pm public access talk show, it's worth every penny.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:19 am

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:22 am

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 pm Yeah an insanely expensive one in SF if I recall correctly. One of Larry Scott's great decisions

I saw the other day it was $92 million in rent over the last 11 years. I'm told that's a lot.

When you get production values that look like the 11 pm public access talk show, it's worth every penny.

This. I get the other conference channels in my cable package and the Pac12 network production is THE worst by far.

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:25 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:19 am

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:22 am

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 pm Yeah an insanely expensive one in SF if I recall correctly. One of Larry Scott's great decisions

I saw the other day it was $92 million in rent over the last 11 years. I'm told that's a lot.

When you get production values that look like the 11 pm public access talk show, it's worth every penny.

This. I get the other conference channels in my cable package and the Pac12 network production is THE worst by far.

Pac 12 network production goes like this.

Live events: for revenue sports, use 3 generic camera angles and either Bill Walton or some guy who played on a Pac 12 team in the mid 90's on the mic. Non-revenue sports, use a single, fixed camera angle set on the highest point in the nearest adjacent county and a single commentator I've never heard of.

Studio shows: Use the same studio with a slight change to the generic background for every show, then a panel consisting of people I've never heard of and whatever mid-90's athlete isn't commentating on a game at that moment.

Interviews: put someone in a high, folding chair in front of whatever's there (you're around shrubbery? That's your backdrop) and ask them questions. Is the topic more serious and emotional? Lower the chair and lights.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:03 am

EastCoastCat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:25 am

Spaceman Spiff wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:19 am

azgreg wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:22 am

Fishclamps wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 pm Yeah an insanely expensive one in SF if I recall correctly. One of Larry Scott's great decisions

I saw the other day it was $92 million in rent over the last 11 years. I'm told that's a lot.

When you get production values that look like the 11 pm public access talk show, it's worth every penny.

This. I get the other conference channels in my cable package and the Pac12 network production is THE worst by far.

Pac 12 network production goes like this.

Live events: for revenue sports, use 3 generic camera angles and either Bill Walton or some guy who played on a Pac 12 team in the mid 90's on the mic. Non-revenue sports, use a single, fixed camera angle set on the highest point in the nearest adjacent county and a single commentator I've never heard of.

Studio shows: Use the same studio with a slight change to the generic background for every show, then a panel consisting of people I've never heard of and whatever mid-90's athlete isn't commentating on a game at that moment.

Interviews: put someone in a high, folding chair in front of whatever's there (you're around shrubbery? That's your backdrop) and ask them questions. Is the topic more serious and emotional? Lower the chair and lights.

Spot on.
The worst has to be baseball games. The announcers are so bad you really ask yourself if they have ever watched a baseball game in their lives. And they miss half of the plays because they only have 1 full angle shot from behind the plate that they widen in and out to catch the action but are usually a second or two behind from their player close-up shots.

Las Vegas is the obvious answer for the Pac-12 HQ and has been for years.

* Lower cost of housing for employees = lower cost of labor.
* Cheap(er) industrial space could be converted into production and office space.
* Big tech presence already.
* Centrally located for the conference and easily accessible with cheap and plentiful flights and hotel rooms.
* Conf championship already located there.

Why not Vegas? Because the Pac-12 president wanted a castle for his throne instead of a factory to pump out good content.

I think Kliavkoff mentioned Vegas some time ago. At the moment, per Wilner, they're just vacating their pricey office near the Embarcadero when the lease runs out with most people to work from home. They'll have to have some place for studios, which may be further south (San Jose?), or I assume could still be Vegas. Wilner's take is that the Pac-12 Network will live on, but I don't think that's been in doubt up to the point of the new 2024 media rights deal. And it would exist in some form, even if it's a single channel produced by ESPN or FoX or somebody else. We may wind up with some kind of subscription Pac-12+ streaming deal for lesser non-conference football and basketball games and baseball and softball. I'd be okay with that if it's available as an app on a smart TV like Disney+ or something similar. I just hate hooking up an HDMI cable from a laptop to a TV and messing around with all of that.

TheCatInTheHat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:23 am I think Kliavkoff mentioned Vegas some time ago. At the moment, per Wilner, they're just vacating their pricey office near the Embarcadero when the lease runs out with most people to work from home. They'll have to have some place for studios, which may be further south (San Jose?), or I assume could still be Vegas. Wilner's take is that the Pac-12 Network will live on, but I don't think that's been in doubt up to the point of the new 2024 media rights deal. And it would exist in some form, even if it's a single channel produced by ESPN or FoX or somebody else. We may wind up with some kind of subscription Pac-12+ streaming deal for lesser non-conference football and basketball games and baseball and softball. I'd be okay with that if it's available as an app on a smart TV like Disney+ or something similar. I just hate hooking up an HDMI cable from a laptop to a TV and messing around with all of that.

There's an app on my Amazon Firestick for the Pac-12 network that works pretty well for me; AppleTV has an app as well.

Sling has all the PAC-12 channels. I have the Cox streaming bundle, and you are stream Sling, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and other services right on the tv. Works well. PAC-12+ shows like baseball games not on the network still stream through the phone and cast to the tv. That's a little more spotty.

The PAC-12 made a bunch of mistakes with thee Network. Having expensive production offices in the highest rent city in the nation was just one of them. The big one was not partnering with ESPN or Fox, and instead, going it alone on the Network. Thee PAC-12 Network didn't get on DirecTv as a result, and nobody outside of the PAC-12 footprint can see anything on thee network on a sports bar anywhere in the country. That's because they all have DTV, because of the NFL Sunday Ticket. A mistake that can be, and should be corrected.

Especially true as the SEC leaves CBS starting in 2024. I'd like to see the PAC-12 fill the vacuum, and sign a deal to play on CBS, the CBS sports cable channel, and move all PAC-12 Channel content to Paramount+. Might not get us on DirecTv, but the future right now seems to be with streaming, and being aligned with a large service like CBS would be a good future play.

Wow, amazing news for the P12. Where does all that money go now?

NFL Sunday Ticket will be moving to AppleTV or Amazon next year, so there’s no need to worry about getting on DirectTV in order to get into bars/restaurants.

In fact, I doubt DirectTV is even a thing in 5 years. Their dishes crap out in a slight drizzle and you can get literally everything you want through streaming services.

I had both Dish and Directv, and cut the cord maybe 5 or 6 years ago, and never regretted it. I don't need 500 channels with nothing on.

Just activate Sling when I want to watch UA sports since it comes with all the ESPN and PAC channels if you get the sports pack. Then cancel when the last UA basketball game ends.

Jefe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:35 pm Wow, amazing news for the P12. Where does all that money go now?

It's been going into RAP contests for years, but Chicat's been holding out on us.

Jefe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:35 pm Wow, amazing news for the P12. Where does all that money go now?

The universities. Imagine that as a concept!

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:08 pm

Jefe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:35 pm Wow, amazing news for the P12. Where does all that money go now?

It's been going into RAP contests for years, but Chicat's been holding out on us.

You shut your whore mouth…

ChooChooCat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:38 pm

Jefe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:35 pm Wow, amazing news for the P12. Where does all that money go now?

The universities. Imagine that as a concept!

w

Were they even bringing in enough revenue to cover the rent?



The other day I thought they might have some tournament coverage or maybe a baseball game, even a condensed replay.
Nope, instead they were showing random football games from 5 years ago.

How much did Larry Scott making during his tenure? It's criminal what we paid him.

Between 2009 and 2019, Scott earned $36,057,637, according to tax records, and assuming he is paid out for the rest of his contract, he will have earned roughly $50 million as the Pac-12 commissioner.

JFC

Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:44 pm

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:08 pm

Jefe wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 2:35 pm Wow, amazing news for the P12. Where does all that money go now?

It's been going into RAP contests for years, but Chicat's been holding out on us.

You shut your whore mouth…

I have the emails ...

I also feel like this is very apropos.

Short answer, not too much.

The bad news?

“Their contract negotiations come after the new SEC and Big Ten contracts,” Maestas explained, “so all the highest-performing content will be sorted.

“Everything is available, but they are late in the pecking order.”

The SEC’s media rights were recently locked up by ESPN, while the Big Ten is currently negotiating agreements that will start in the summer of 2023.

Those leagues account for the majority of premium football matchups that attract top media dollars. As a result, the Big Ten and SEC are expected to distribute in excess of $1 billion annually when everything settles in the second half of the decade.

By then, the Big Ten’s new deal will be humming, Texas and Oklahoma will be in the SEC, and the College Football Playoff will have expanded to 12 teams.

Not sure where else to discuss this, but UCLA and USC are exploring a move to the B1G.

Sounds like it would be a big step in the direction of the PAC going away. Probably some sort of merger with the big12?

IndianaZonaFan wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 11:01 am Not sure where else to discuss this, but UCLA and USC are exploring a move to the B1G.

Sounds like it would be a big step in the direction of the PAC going away. Probably some sort of merger with the big12?

Check here: viewtopic.php?p=557106#p557106

Pac-12 schools are facing a $50 million fiasco after Comcast overpaid the athletic conference’s regional sports network. The company realized it was overcharged for licensing fees from 2012 through 2016.

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Sources report Chief Founding Officer Brent Willman and Networks President Mark Shuken have been fired. They, in turn, filed a lawsuit against the Pac-12 conference “alleging that they informed former Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott about the Comcast overpayment in a timely manner but were ordered to keep quiet about it.”

https://cordcuttersnews.com/pac-12-netw ... er-fiasco/

Larry Scott is such a shitbag.

CardiacCats97 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:28 am Larry Scott is such a shitbag.

The league should be suing Larry Scott to claw-back some of his bloated salary.

And not paying back the loan

Can they sue Crowe also?

I occasionally stream using the Pac-12 Now app. Hadn't for a while but now when I do, there is only one program available (instead of multiple programs from the various reginal network). Did something change or is it just me........or is this part of the apparent technical maintenance?

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ted-future

Irish27 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:33 pm https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ted-future

"Our 10 schools have been ridiculously patient," the source said, adding that the league's patience to make a deal has led to more bidders coming to the table. "That patience is about to pay off."

Looks like we will know tomorrow if Colorado is leaving the PAC 12 for the Big 12 and the move is scheduled to be 2024. If they go the conference will collapse quickly IMHO. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-co ... 41086.html

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:10 pm Looks like we will know tomorrow if Colorado is leaving the PAC 12 for the Big 12 and the move is scheduled to be 2024. If they go the conference will collapse quickly IMHO. https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-co ... 41086.html

I'm very surprised it's gotten to this point. Losing the L.A. schools is bad, but the league could survive that. But if others start leaving, what kind of "conference" do we really have? I'm at the point where I'd prefer to be "independent," if joining the Big 12 is not an option.

Personally I am excited for the Bball team to have the chance to join the Big12, as some outlets are saying is being offered to the UA.

But at the same time this whole reorganization of conferences just to chase FB TV contracts and abandoning all tradition seems kind of wasteful, esp. considering travel, recruitment, old rivalries, etc. Wonder how most UA (non FB BBall) athletes would feel about it.

AZ to join Big12 "According to college football insider Greg Swaim"

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-foo ... 4-programs

Not sure of the source but doubt the Regents would approve without a package that includes Arizona State.

TheCat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:53 pm Not sure of the source but doubt the Regents would approve without a package that includes Arizona State.

Been said by others before, that Robbins may have already addressed that earlier in the summer, and apparently it they will be able if needed. Maybe someone else has the details.

Lute4God wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:29 pm AZ to join Big12 "According to college football insider Greg Swaim"

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-foo ... 4-programs

Bearcats???

TheCat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 2:53 pm Not sure of the source but doubt the Regents would approve without a package that includes Arizona State.

I've read in multiple sources that ABOR has no say on this issue.