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That's what's nuts about it. If you don't need proof, just logic, logic pretty well dictates Duke players are paid.97cats wrote:head in the sand perfectly describes Duke alum and/or supporters who don’t think there is already a stream of the same activity transpiring in Durham
further, ignoring proof is not only stupid it’s a bad business plan
97cats wrote:head in the sand perfectly describes Duke alum and/or supporters who don’t think there is already a stream of the same activity transpiring in Durham
further, ignoring proof is not only stupid it’s a bad business plan
and even if the teller let it go for the local coach, that stuff gets flagged behind the scenes. CTRs, suspicious activities reports.TheCat wrote:As I have stated from the beginning. FOLLOW THE F'N MONEY. So Sean paid Ayton $10K per mo? If your not an idiot you can check this out easily. Banks are required to inform you of any forms the IRS needs when you are making any qualifying transactions. If you make a cash or check deposit or PAYMENT of $10,000.00 or more in one transaction, then the bank must make you fill out and file IRS form 8300. Well did the bank report 12 transactions from Sean of $10K or more.
If Sean was smart and he made 5 pmts of $2K each that has to be reported by the bank also. Unless you believe Sean held $120K in cash at home then the banks helped.
Come on guys this is a slam dunk to check. I will bet you U of A's lawyers checked before they ever let Sean deny in public. They looked at all his bank records, phone records, listened to the FBI wiretaps and what they said was let him deny it on camera with the U of A's backing.
This is misleading and unhelpful. The article makes it sound like Bilas has been a staunch defender of Miller, but that the amount of damning information that came from the current trial finally swayed him. It presents the image of an ally who can no longer continue to defend the coach, buttressing the idea that only irrational people can continue to ignore such overwhelming evidence.HiCat wrote:Jay Bilas - hmmm
By Kevin Zimmerman | May 3, 2019 at 9:28 am
UPDATED: May 3, 2019 at 10:41 am
Jay Bilas was among the first defenders of Arizona Wildcats head coach Sean Miller when his program was first dragged into the FBI investigation of college basketball corruption.
That was the basic theory of the case from the prosecution. This was about Dawkins bribing public officials (coaches) for access to players.Postmaster wrote:I think a lot of the use of “commitment’ is referring to committing to Dawkins’ company, not to a school.
Not just in the wiretap referencing Miller, but in this whole thing.
I think a lot of media don’t realize what this trial is about. I keep hearing “pay for play”.
This was about “pay to become my client”.
Dawkins has said he wanted to get in good at AZ because they produced a lot of NBA talent. He wasn’t concerned about the talent going to AZ, it was already going to AZ. He wants asst coaches who have access to the talent so they can steer thos kids to his company after college.
Hence the comment that ASU was not worth much effort.
Longhorned wrote:This is misleading and unhelpful. The article makes it sound like Bilas has been a staunch defender of Miller, but that the amount of damning information that came from the current trial finally swayed him. It presents the image of an ally who can no longer continue to defend the coach, buttressing the idea that only irrational people can continue to ignore such overwhelming evidence.HiCat wrote:Jay Bilas - hmmm
By Kevin Zimmerman | May 3, 2019 at 9:28 am
UPDATED: May 3, 2019 at 10:41 am
Jay Bilas was among the first defenders of Arizona Wildcats head coach Sean Miller when his program was first dragged into the FBI investigation of college basketball corruption.
In reality, Bilas called for Miller's head as soon as Schlabach reported the fake recording, and the only thing he's been defending for the past 14 months is ESPN's reporting on that story, which no rational person can continue to believe after the recording has never turned up in any form, and all available evidence contradicts it.
Ayton showed up to Tucson in late June. If he finished his last class that would have been about 11 months. $10K/month...HmmmTheGreatCatsby wrote:in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats
I have to be honest, I doubt Ayton was in Tucson much longer than it took to get back from Boise.Jefe wrote:Ayton showed up to Tucson in late June. If he finished his last class that would have been about 11 months. $10K/month...HmmmTheGreatCatsby wrote:in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
It's okay. But it doesn't have enough of that whiny, accusatory, and self-righteous tone. Also, it lacks creativity in the way it looks at evidence; I prefer when an author liberates his judgments and conclusions from the specifics of that evidence. These limitations result from a basic flaw in the piece: It doesn't begin from the standpoint of a call to fire Miller.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Now that is a sober, reasonable article.
Edit: and written by an actual lawyer. Heavens.
I have to implore all of you to read this article and share it. Every article, comment, and quip about Miller’s alleged involvement should be judged against this skilled and sober analysis of the evidence against him and how lacking it is (especially in light of such a depth of investigation).Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
Curious if it truly is an investigation or just riding the FBIs coattailsazgreg wrote:
Doesn't really matter regardless it is a GOOD thing...bring it.Frybry02 wrote:Curious if it truly is an investigation or just riding the FBIs coattailsazgreg wrote:
14 monthsIrish27 wrote:Anyone want to take a guess on how long this will take before the NCAA reveals anything?
azgreg wrote:
Even that is probably very generous.Chicat wrote:14 monthsIrish27 wrote:Anyone want to take a guess on how long this will take before the NCAA reveals anything?
CatFanOneMil wrote:Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
First of all anyone quoting Adam Zagora is lazy...second the head coach being responsible for assistant coaches behavior has a limited LEGAL application...there is a point where NO head coach could possibly be penalized for stuff his subordinates do...if Book was smoking crack and held up a circle K no way in hell the NCAA can LEGALLY hold Miller responsible, no penalties or anything...its clear to me you are dumber than Rise and Swallow so you're going on the block list.enfuego wrote:CatFanOneMil wrote:Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
whatisee wrote:Fuck enfuego
Jason Scheer wrote an article on the entire bylaw.enfuego wrote:CatFanOneMil wrote:Best and most accurate article ever written on this particular subject and hands down spot on advice for UA/ABOR/and even Miller himself...Gilbertcat wrote:What's Next for Sean Miller, Arizona After the Final Week of the College Basketball Corruption Trial?
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2 ... l-takeways" target="_blankArizona will also weigh the circumstances of the recording. Neither Dawkins nor Richardson was speaking under oath. It’s also possible that the two men were trying to impress one another. Perhaps they lied or exaggerated as a result. Each had an incentive to portray himself as influential and close to Miller. Sometimes that type of situation can lead one to engage in hyperbole and puffery.
Further, Dawkins admits that he never paid Miller. This is an important point: the person who allegedly masterminded bribes to coaches didn’t pay the coach at issue—Miller.
Arizona will also take stock in the fact that, despite media reporting in 2018 that Miller was caught on a wiretap discussing paying $100,000 to Ayton, no such recording has been played in either trial nor referenced in any government pleading. The only recording that allegedly links Miller to illicit payments is the aforementioned conversation between Dawkins and Richardson. If a recording of Miller exists, it likely would have surfaced by now.
Further, Arizona has conducted multiple investigations into Richardson accepting bribes and has yet to uncover any evidence that Miller partook in any bribes. Investigators have included former federal prosecutors and seasoned criminal defense attorneys. University investigations involved numerous interviews with Miller and other officials from the Wildcats athletic department as well as multi-hour interviews with every player and their family members. Similarly, university investigators have reviewed numerous emails, bank statements and other electronic correspondences. To date, the university has only found that Richardson engaged in bribes and that Richardson acted alone.
Arizona is also mindful that the United States Justice Department has closely scrutinized the evidence, as well as interviewed numerous witnesses. To date, the Justice Department has only brought charges against one Arizona coach: Richardson. The Justice Department would have no reluctance to seek charges against Miller if it believed that Miller was involved. In fact, the Justice Department would probably prefer to charge Miller given that he would be a far more noteworthy defendant than (yet another) assistant coach.
There is a ton in the article. Including Miller's rep to keep detailed communication logs. Worth a read.
I've never believed for an instant that Miller has been cheating the system, thats not " the Philly tough/TJ McConnell" kind of way he was raised...Book cheating I can believe, Dawkins cheating has already been proved, its like that first century Jewish Rabbi said "You'll know a tree by its fruit"...the thing is tree's are the products of OTHER tress and fruit take a long time to develop...
Millers personal history, his family influence, his upbringing, his dad even his brother all speak towards blue collar do it right by the book, toughen up "others-may-cheat-but-Millers-don't-do-that-shit" kind of persona...
I get that there is some sort of acceptance that players are getting paid (even this article alluded to it AS A FACT/but again citing no evidence for this commonly held belief...some mother-fucker-somewhere provide me some goddam evidence players have been getting paid a LOT for any amount of time...I'm still fucking waiting for even ONE actual significant case with evidence...just one)...but that scenario seems in conflict with the kind of family history and narrative that Miller substantially has demonstrated...
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck, but not if its growling like a Jaguar and climbing trees.
I'm pretty sure Millers don't play that game.
If you want to propose a ban poll, that’s within your rights.Jwsisliving wrote:Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
For me at least, he’s a source of continuous merriment. In fact, he’s my only source of continuous merriment. Now would be about the worst time to ban him. In Bill Self, we have the unique circumstance of a head coach directly documented to have been in the money game for a player. You really want enfuego gone when that gets addressed? Of all the predictions that come back to bite him.... Don’t mess with my merriment. I vote nay in advance.Jwsisliving wrote:Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
I have a friend here in NM who is a rabid KU fan, who keeps up with their chatter - he's confident that Self will be coaching the Spurs next season.... Just passin' it on.Chicat wrote:If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
pc in NM wrote:I have a friend here in NM who is a rabid KU fan, who keeps up with their chatter - he's confident that Self will be coaching the Spurs next season.... Just passin' it on.Chicat wrote:If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
Ignore him. He's a toilet bug, nothing more.Jwsisliving wrote:Why isn't enfuego banned? what does he bring to this forum besides pissing people off? does anyone want him here?
Yeah, that ship sailed and Self didn't make it.UAEebs86 wrote:pc in NM wrote:I have a friend here in NM who is a rabid KU fan, who keeps up with their chatter - he's confident that Self will be coaching the Spurs next season.... Just passin' it on.Chicat wrote:If enfuego’s usual Chicken Little pattern of running and hiding for 1-2 weeks after a KU loss holds true, when the NCAA announces they are looking into Bill Self paying players we won’t need to have a ban poll. Enfuego gonna self-deport.
CalStateTempe wrote:Been in the eastern Sierra cut off from civilization ... NCAA now investigating agin?
It was all over the poduck small town radio on the drive back.