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Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm
by Olsondogg
Catch and shoot threes is what we wanted from Barcello from his time in Tucson. Only really happened in practices apparently.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:17 pm
by Merkin
I doubt Weaver hits 30% of 3's at Arizona. The line is now extended to international distance, and he will now have to face taller and quicker players while at Arizona.
TJ McConnell was an outstanding 3 point shooter at Duquesne (40%, 42%), but never could get in a groove at Arizona (36%, 32%) against better competition.
Weaver does have pretty good form though. Better than McConnell.
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Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:23 pm
by NYCat
ChooChooCat wrote:Here's Weaver's highlights from this past season. Spoiler Alert, it's a lot of catch and shoot 3s.
On paper, we should have quite a bit of 3pt shooters on roster. Hazzard, Gettings, Weaver, Nnaji (won a 3pt challenge), Mannion, Green maybe also. Of course that doesn't always translate into games, eg: Barcello. Gettings, Hazzard, Weaver I'm extremely skeptical will shoot that well at Arizona, usually doesn't translate to high major basketball.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:26 pm
by Longhorned
Merkin wrote:I doubt Weaver hits 30% of 3's at Arizona. The line is now extended to international distance, and he will now have to face taller and quicker players while at Arizona.
TJ McConnell was an outstanding 3 point shooter at Duquesne (40%, 42%), but never could get in a groove at Arizona (36%, 32%) against better competition.
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He has a couple of months to adjust. He should practice shooting from international distance while three assistants prod him with two-by-fours, two more assistants circle him on bicycles, two more throw grapefruit at him, and a kid flies a drone over his head.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:22 pm
by Jefe
What date are open tryouts?
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:41 pm
by NYCat
Also this from Eric Bossi from earlier
Dude is going to start and be really good
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:36 pm
by CalStateTempe
dovecanyoncat wrote:Survivor Wildcat season 2019. Tribes: Transfers; Five Stars; Returnees. Exile to FBI Island. Hidden Injury Idols. Tribal council every single goddamned day.
Lmao...well done!
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:41 pm
by NYCat
I have to agree with this tbh, too much unproven and unknown at this moment - especially if Williams does leave. Maybe 20-25 is more accurate.
In bold are also pac 12 conference or potential opponents this year. Also the champions classic are all top 4 and will be great again.
1. Michigan State
2. Kansas
3. Kentucky
4. Duke
5. Maryland
6. Texas Tech
7. Seton Hall
8. Louisville
9. North Carolina
10. Memphis
11. Florida 12. Gonzaga
13. Virginia
14. Villanova
15. Xavier
16. Purdue 17. Baylor
18. Ohio State
19. Georgetown 20. Illinois
21. Auburn 22. Washington
23. Utah State
24. Marquette
25. VCU 26. Colorado
27. Wisconsin
28. Houston 29. Arizona (25): The Wildcats have one of the top recruiting classes in the country and added UC Irvine transfer Max Hazzard, but they are losing incoming freshman Terry Armstrong to professional basketball. The Wildcats have to prove they belong in the top 20 after a disappointing season last season. 30. Providence
31. Davidson
32. St. Marys
33. Penn State
34. Tennessee
35. NC State
36. South Florida
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:40 pm
by YoDeFoe
Without any news on Williams, 29th is an absurd ranking for a team that will feature two top ten freshman, a USA basketball freshman, a five star sophomore, and a five star senior (with a bench of four star players and all conference grad transfers).
Somewhere in the teens is proper.
I think its really easy to poke holes into one specific team (too many new faces, too many unknowns, too much youth)... until you look at the team above them and the team below and realize that no team is perfect and that most teams outside the top four have serious question marks.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:15 pm
by CalStateTempe
Our brand is suffering. For a multitude of reasons.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:37 pm
by YoDeFoe
I think its really easy to poke holes into one specific team (too many new faces, too many unknowns, too much youth)... until you look at the team above them and the team below and realize that no team is perfect and that most teams outside the top four have serious question marks.
Georgetown is an easy one to focus on - they had similar "success" as Arizona last season going 19-14 and bowing out of the Big East tournament in the first round. They were nowhere near a Top 25 team last season... so why the top 20 rating here? They lose their senior center (their best player) and his back-up but add a very good center grad transfer. The freshmen and sophomores from last season (including star guard James Akinjo) get a season older... but there's no recruiting class to speak of (one player in the top 150, three more outside the top 250). Nobody returning from injury or any other kind of wildcard. It's just "this year I think they'll get better."
Arizona struggled last season, clearly. But has Sean Miller ever had a top 10 class and failed to turn that into a top 25 ranking? Nope. Even the 2015-16 season, with the turnover (losing TJ, Rondae, Stanley, Brandon), injuries (Ray Smith and Trier), and limited play from incoming recruits (Comanche, Simon, Pitts) - the Cats flirted with a top ten ranking and stayed within the top 25 all season. Mostly around the mid-teens, which again feels like a fair preseason assessment for this team.
You want to aim a little higher?
Duke is a projected top four team this season because they add the number four class to a five star guard and a collection of role players.
Arizona is a projected sub-top-25 team this season because they add the number three class to a five star guard and a five star center and two all conference grad transfers and a collection of role players.
Excuse me if I feel that Arizona isn't getting a fair shake here.
(Caveat: losing BWill would throw us down the rankings - maybe to where we are here - but realistically should still keep us as a top 25 team... there's not a lot of teams that can run out the talent, have the home court advantage, and have the coaching of Arizona this season).
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:52 pm
by YoDeFoe
Weaver ranked 42nd on the transfer market according to Bart Torvik... Barcello ranked 49th. Would really prefer to keep Alex.
The Kansas thing still blows my mind, they lose almost their entire roster from a 3rd place Big 12 team and add no one I would consider a difference maker. As far as I am aware the add a bunch of mid level recruits, an average transfer from Iowa and two guys who have not played basketball in a year. I do not see how they are a better team next year then Arizona as things are now.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:55 pm
by YoDeFoe
Arizona drops from 15th ranked to 22nd ranked with the subtraction of BWill according to Bart Torvik's projections.
YoDeFoe wrote:Weaver ranked 42nd on the transfer market according to Bart Torvik... Barcello ranked 49th. Would really prefer to keep Alex.
Same here, good work ethic, knows the system, seemed well liked and more potential if you look at high school rankings, Weaver a 2 star, Barcello a 4 star. Barcello seemed content in his role too, but shows how little fans know.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:05 pm
by YoDeFoe
gronk4heisman wrote:The Kansas thing still blows my mind, they lose almost their entire roster from a 3rd place Big 12 team and add no one I would consider a difference maker. As far as I am aware the add a bunch of mid level recruits, an average transfer from Iowa and two guys who have not played basketball in a year. I do not see how they are a better team next year then Arizona as things are now.
KU should have a really tough interior with a ton of depth, an elite lead PG in Dotson, wing depth with defense and shooting between returnees Agbaji and Garrett and incoming four star Wilson, as well as a good back-up ball handler in McBride. I think they'll be a really dangerous team and I'm okay with their ranking.
I still think they may struggle with spacing if they don't have two of Dotson, Moss, and McBride on the floor together. To be a Final Four team, they'll need Ochai Agbaji to deliver on the promise that he'll start hitting his outside shots. Their forwards are not shooters - they'll need shooting from 1 through 3. We know better than most the folly of thinking that scoring at will from the post is a recipe for a deep tournament run.
I don't know if they're the second best team in the country, but they're a top ten team.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:13 am
by YoDeFoe
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Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:17 am
by ChooChooCat
YoDeFoe wrote:Content
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Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:50 am
by YoDeFoe
Zeke looks ready. Koloko putting on weight. Our front court depth is legit. Can Ira or Stone play back-up SF? We've got a lot of talent for only 80 minutes of PF/C play.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:51 am
by NickyBCats
APlayersProgram on Instagram posted more photos and Bwill was there With the team.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:51 am
by Beachcat97
Is BW at practice?
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:12 am
by Jefe
Coleman still working out with the team. Not seeing BWill though
He’s in the same picture as Coleman. In the huddle to the left.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:07 pm
by YoDeFoe
Where is Nico?
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:22 pm
by ChooChooCat
YoDeFoe wrote:Where is Nico?
He'll be back for the second summer session.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:33 pm
by Jefe
Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:18 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Jefe wrote:Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey
About half the guys are in t-shirts. Don't kill my hope.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:22 pm
by YoDeFoe
Ira is in a t-shirt and clearing playing so take that BWill doubters
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:42 pm
by Jefe
Im 0 for 2. Hang on, let me find a 3rd
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:23 pm
by azgreg
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:52 pm
by SunnyAZ
Koloko looks pretty big.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:14 pm
by Main Event
Been a fan of Kolo. If you're not getting an Ayton, I think he's the type of big we need going forward
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:23 pm
by SunnyAZ
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey
About half the guys are in t-shirts. Don't kill my hope.
none of them are in jerseys. some are wearing muscle shirts/sleeveless shirts
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:28 am
by ChooChooCat
SunnyAZ wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
Jefe wrote:Oh right. BWill in a tshirt rather than jersey
About half the guys are in t-shirts. Don't kill my hope.
none of them are in jerseys. some are wearing muscle shirts/sleeveless shirts
It was also a small workout with just the frontcourt players.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:28 am
by Longhorned
SunnyAZ wrote:Koloko looks pretty big.
Tall, but my three year old daughter crashed into his legs and I was glad they didn't snap.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:41 am
by Frybry02
YoDeFoe wrote:Content
I cring when I see players with their elbow Flared out in their shot form. Green form Looks like Nick Johnson’s
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:43 am
by ChooChooCat
Frybry02 wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Content
I cring when I see players with their elbow Flared out in their shot form. Green form Looks like Nick Johnson’s
I have called him a more advanced Nick Johnson with NBA size for numerous reasons. His shooting form is one of them.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:29 am
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:
Frybry02 wrote:
YoDeFoe wrote:Content
I cring when I see players with their elbow Flared out in their shot form. Green form Looks like Nick Johnson’s
I have called him a more advanced Nick Johnson with NBA size for numerous reasons. His shooting form is one of them.
A lot of what Nick Johnson lacked was Green's size. I always thought NJ would be a longtime pro if he was 4 inches taller.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:06 pm
by NYCat
#15 - Arizona (-1)
Coach: Sean Miller
2018-19 record: 17-15
Notable players gone: Brandon Randolph, Justin Coleman, Ryan Luther
Notable players returning: Brandon Williams, Chase Jeter, Dylan Smith, Ira Lee, Alex Barcello , Devonaire Doutrive
Expected additions: Max Hazzard , Nico Mannion, Josh Green, Zeke Nnaji, Terry Armstrong, Christian Koloko, Stone Gettings
Sean Miller, even with an NCAA cloud hovering over his program, has secured a top-five recruiting class that should return the Wildcats to the NCAA Tournament. The addition of grad-transfer Max Hazzard was a nice late development.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:52 pm
by Postmaster
Longhorned wrote:
SunnyAZ wrote:Koloko looks pretty big.
Tall, but my three year old daughter crashed into his legs and I was glad they didn't snap.
That’s how I felt whoever I saw DD orotund campus last year. I swear my arms are bigger than his legs.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 8:14 pm
by RaisingArizona
Nnaji can be a lottery pick IMO. Perfect NBA small ball 5. He’s going to be a VERY rich man in about 5-7 years.
Mannion, Green and Nnaji is our best 1,2, 3 of any class. My apologies to Tark, Ashley and Jarrett. While I’m sad about BW, I’m confident that this year will be an entertaining rendition of Wildcat basketball.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:38 am
by billk78
Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.
Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:53 am
by Spaceman Spiff
billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.
Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
Green should be fine on any wing on D. Asking Nnaji or Lee to cover a wing on D is the part of that lineup I don't like.
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:22 am
by billk78
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.
Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
Green should be fine on any wing on D. Asking Nnaji or Lee to cover a wing on D is the part of that lineup I don't like.
Sure would be an interesting lineup for a zone though huh? lol
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:40 am
by YoDeFoe
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.
Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
Green should be fine on any wing on D. Asking Nnaji or Lee to cover a wing on D is the part of that lineup I don't like.
Yeah I half jokingly asked that same question a few days ago: "Can any of the bigs (Nnaji, Lee, or Gettings) play SF?"
Green can play the two with ease - that's his preferred spot next to Nico. Zeke and Stone maybe have the skill to play on the perimeter as a SF on offense, though I doubt Nnaji has the ball handling we'd want there. Lee I think could maybe defend on the perimeter but he's also liable to pick up blocking fouls out there and his suspect shooting touch is tough to project to SF play.
Of all of the bigs, I think only Gettings has viable potential to play SF. He's got the passing ability, outside shooting, and enough ball handling to be a threat from the perimeter (I've seen some highlights of him blowing by defenders on pump fakes from the corner). Likely just a situational use (injury / foul / certain match-ups). Mark Tollefsen played a similar role on the 2016 team at similar size (albeit with more bounce and less strength).
Re: Next year...2019-20
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:49 am
by baycat93
billk78 wrote:Forgive me if this is a stupid question...I'm not as up to date on our recruits this year as I usually am. But if Bwill doesn't play is Green capable of playing the 2? And then go big? For example: Nico, Green, Nnaji, Ira, Chase? Or is that too big/slow? I think Hazzard could be productive for us as well.
Now that Im thinking about it, if we went with those 5 whoever is playing the 3 would have trouble defending in the man defense.
I don't think moving the bigs into the wing is the answer. The unfortunate domino effect of losing Williams is going to be small ball. Hazzard is going to get a lot of minutes. Ultimately I think shooting and spacing are going to be important to open up the post/lane for Jeter/Nnaji.
If we want to keep size, that means DD and DS with more minutes. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. I worry that needing/having to give minutes to DD/DS takes away accountability and we will have similar problems to last season. DD not playing Defense and DS dribbling and taking horrible shots.
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