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Alieberman wrote:Except college ball is still all about the guards, no?97cats wrote:Haarms has played in a lot of big battle tested game and would give Arizona size (he’s a legit 7’3) athleticism, and shot blocking paired with Koloko that few teams could match - add in a 6’11 Brown and Miller is a few pieces away from scrapping it together again.
....yiiiiiiiiikes97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
There's 2 Euros and they play completely different positions.RondaeShimmy wrote:So is Arizona chasing 3 euros?ChooChooCat wrote:If he lands one or both of the Euros it'll significantly improve next year's team IMO. I really really like the post player if we can get him.Beachcat97 wrote:Sure feels like any recruiting momentum or mojo Miller once had is just about gone.
Scheer has kinda hinted at chasing two international kids who play similar positions.
I doubt Arizona would be chasing 2 bigs, unless the other one is a 3/4 combo? Which makes me think it's two guards/wings players
I think it's conceivable if Akinjo can play day 1 and he lands the Euro guard he can get 22-24ish wins. Maybe not likely, but it's certainly conceivable.97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
Is it the same Euro guard you mentioned months ago?ChooChooCat wrote:I think it's conceivable if Akinjo can play day 1 and he lands the Euro guard he can get 22-24ish wins. Maybe not likely, but it's certainly conceivable.97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
i would agree with this and thus continue your nightmareChooChooCat wrote:I think it's conceivable if Akinjo can play day 1 and he lands the Euro guard he can get 22-24ish wins. Maybe not likely, but it's certainly conceivable.97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
97cats wrote:i would agree with this and thus continue your nightmareChooChooCat wrote:I think it's conceivable if Akinjo can play day 1 and he lands the Euro guard he can get 22-24ish wins. Maybe not likely, but it's certainly conceivable.97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
Go cats!!
So here's more of a straight 3, then? Which AZ player would you compare him to?ChooChooCat wrote:No.Beachcat97 wrote:Isn’t Terry a combo forward?
He's a wing. His game most resembles a more athletic Luke Walton.Beachcat97 wrote:So here's more of a straight 3, then? Which AZ player would you compare him to?ChooChooCat wrote:No.Beachcat97 wrote:Isn’t Terry a combo forward?
A more athletic Walton? That's very high praise. Isn't Solomon Hill a more athletic Walton?ChooChooCat wrote:He's a wing. His game most resembles a more athletic Luke Walton.Beachcat97 wrote:So here's more of a straight 3, then? Which AZ player would you compare him to?ChooChooCat wrote:No.Beachcat97 wrote:Isn’t Terry a combo forward?
Was he though?Beachcat97 wrote:A more athletic Walton? That's very high praise. Isn't Solomon Hill a more athletic Walton?ChooChooCat wrote:He's a wing. His game most resembles a more athletic Luke Walton.Beachcat97 wrote:So here's more of a straight 3, then? Which AZ player would you compare him to?ChooChooCat wrote:No.Beachcat97 wrote:Isn’t Terry a combo forward?
Beachcat97 wrote:A more athletic Walton? That's very high praise. Isn't Solomon Hill a more athletic Walton?ChooChooCat wrote:He's a wing. His game most resembles a more athletic Luke Walton.Beachcat97 wrote:So here's more of a straight 3, then? Which AZ player would you compare him to?ChooChooCat wrote:No.Beachcat97 wrote:Isn’t Terry a combo forward?
He's a wing known more for his passing that is a capable shooter here and there.SCCats wrote:
I assume he means a more athletic Walton as a freshman, not a more athletic Walton as a fifth year senior.
And if you say ‘I don’t remember much about Walton early in his career’ that’d be you and me both.
ChooChooCat wrote:I think it's conceivable if Akinjo can play day 1 and he lands the Euro guard he can get 22-24ish wins. Maybe not likely, but it's certainly conceivable.97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
I have no idea what the hold up is with the guard, could be today, could be tomorrow, could be another month or 3. As far as the post guy goes I barely learned his identity, so I'm not sure on his ultimate status.NickyBCats wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:I think it's conceivable if Akinjo can play day 1 and he lands the Euro guard he can get 22-24ish wins. Maybe not likely, but it's certainly conceivable.97cats wrote:Haarms gives Miller a better chance to put 20 wins on the board - at this point ive got to believe thats his realistic goal if he was forced to answer.
Choo any timetable for when these dudes may decide? Gershon and Scheer won’t say names but said today Arizona leads for both international guys.
30+ wines = The weekend97cats wrote:30+ wines = Final Four Category
They're overseas and have been playing professionally, but not being paid.baycat93 wrote:Are these international guys prepping in the states or overseas?
ChooChooCat wrote:They're overseas and have been playing professionally, but not being paid.baycat93 wrote:Are these international guys prepping in the states or overseas?
Isn’t this what Gonzaga does so well?azcat49 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:They're overseas and have been playing professionally, but not being paid.baycat93 wrote:Are these international guys prepping in the states or overseas?
That is so Miller and Arizona LOL
zonagrad wrote:Isn’t this what Gonzaga does so well?azcat49 wrote:ChooChooCat wrote:They're overseas and have been playing professionally, but not being paid.baycat93 wrote:Are these international guys prepping in the states or overseas?
That is so Miller and Arizona LOL
Well they did give his clubbed foot brother a scholarship after all.RondaeShimmy wrote:ASU got the #10 player in the country if it makes anyone feel better
RondaeShimmy wrote:ASU got the #10 player in the country if it makes anyone feel better
I've seen a lot of this type of "you guys don't know what you want" posts lately and it's pretty disingenuous.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
Perfectly said.ChooChooCat wrote:
It's really not all that complicated. We don't want a bunch of one and dones at one time like this past year, but with how we've painted ourselves into a corner we could really use one right now for next season. It is what it is.
Retweet.ChooChooCat wrote:I've seen a lot of this type of "you guys don't know what you want" posts lately and it's pretty disingenuous.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
It's real easy to boil down what most people want. People want to be competitive right now, while at the same time building for a brighter future. In other words they want their cake and eat it too. So we're building for out future with at the moment Dalen Terry and Bennedict Mathurin, but most don't see us being competitive right away, which is why Ziaire Williams was important. He would help us be competitive right away.
It's really not all that complicated. We don't want a bunch of one and dones at one time like this past year, but with how we've painted ourselves into a corner we could really use one right now for next season. It is what it is.
I’m not saying most people. I’m saying Ive seen/heard (not limited to this board) people who don’t want one and domes at all complain when Miller doesn’t lNd them. I fully grasp and relish the idea of mixing one elite player and 2-4 4* players and transfers in each class. I too dislike having to restock half of our players every year for one reason or another. I just wish some of these kids were humble and could understand the long game, instead of getting antsy and transferring/going pro too early if they can’t be a star immediately. (GJ, Kobe, Comanche, Akot)ChooChooCat wrote:I've seen a lot of this type of "you guys don't know what you want" posts lately and it's pretty disingenuous.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
It's real easy to boil down what most people want. People want to be competitive right now, while at the same time building for a brighter future. In other words they want their cake and eat it too. So we're building for out future with at the moment Dalen Terry and Bennedict Mathurin, but most don't see us being competitive right away, which is why Ziaire Williams was important. He would help us be competitive right away.
It's really not all that complicated. We don't want a bunch of one and dones at one time like this past year, but with how we've painted ourselves into a corner we could really use one right now for next season. It is what it is.
Not sure your point since we did not end up with One and Done players or long term 3-4 star guys this year. We had, what 7 openings? And we are bringing in two High School guys who could be here long term (I don't think Dalen is planning being here more than 2 years similar to others around his ranking) and zero one and done guys. We missed out and under recruited a bunch of players in the 50 -150 area that should be our primary recruiting area. If we don't land Walton, which sounds likely, the short term and long term does not look very bright to me.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
...go back to Phoenix!RondaeShimmy wrote:... ASU getting Christopher with likely White/Martin back isnhow you do it right.
If we land the two Euros they'd be rated in the 50-100 range if not a bit higher.gronk4heisman wrote:Not sure your point since we did not end up with One and Done players or long term 3-4 star guys this year. We had, what 7 openings? And we are bringing in two High School guys who could be here long term (I don't think Dalen is planning being here more than 2 years similar to others around his ranking) and zero one and done guys. We missed out and under recruited a bunch of players in the 50 -150 area that should be our primary recruiting area. If we don't land Walton, which sounds likely, the short term and long term does not look very bright to me.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
That would be a good end to this class in that case, IMO. That would give you a solid core of guys who could stay for a few years. Hopefully Miller and/or our next coach can actually develop and retain these guys.ChooChooCat wrote:If we land the two Euros they'd be rated in the 50-100 range if not a bit higher.gronk4heisman wrote:Not sure your point since we did not end up with One and Done players or long term 3-4 star guys this year. We had, what 7 openings? And we are bringing in two High School guys who could be here long term (I don't think Dalen is planning being here more than 2 years similar to others around his ranking) and zero one and done guys. We missed out and under recruited a bunch of players in the 50 -150 area that should be our primary recruiting area. If we don't land Walton, which sounds likely, the short term and long term does not look very bright to me.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
Gershon said they're also not one and done caliber. So realistically could have every position filled for the next couple of years.ChooChooCat wrote:If we land the two Euros they'd be rated in the 50-100 range if not a bit higher.gronk4heisman wrote:Not sure your point since we did not end up with One and Done players or long term 3-4 star guys this year. We had, what 7 openings? And we are bringing in two High School guys who could be here long term (I don't think Dalen is planning being here more than 2 years similar to others around his ranking) and zero one and done guys. We missed out and under recruited a bunch of players in the 50 -150 area that should be our primary recruiting area. If we don't land Walton, which sounds likely, the short term and long term does not look very bright to me.IndianaZonaFan wrote:A lot of people on here complaining about the recruiting class are the same ones complaining about OnD players. Do you guys want them or not? You seem to want the long term 3-4 star guys, but when we miss out on 5* guys, and end up with what you’ve been asking for...”Miller has lost his touch.” But hey, as long as it fits your narrative.
Completely forgot Baker. He should be a good role player and backup for PG/SG.gronk4heisman wrote:We also have Baker for two more years and if a miracle happens and Brandon Williams can come back, he would have three years of eligibility remaining.
That actually looks like a decent depth chart to me. It's not national contender level, but it is what it is. I'd really like to see Walton and Haarms commit. Would be a nice boost.RondaeShimmy wrote:
Gershon said they're also not one and done caliber. So realistically could have every position filled for the next couple of years.
PG: Akinjo/Euro kid
SG: ___/Walton(?)/Euro Kid who can play dual PGs/Mathurin
SF: Terry/Mathurin
PF: Brown/euro big
C: Koloko/euro big
Of course that's if Miller gets both Euros and if that's the case idk how Miller recruits. Jay Wright after getting his core will get recruiting classes of only 1-2 players. Of course he would have to recruit for depth but hopefully he takes the time to let them play and develop.
That depth chart is missing Jemarl Baker, Terrell Brown, and Ira Lee as well. I think a lot is riding on these next couple additions...if we get Kriisa and the euro big/Haarms, I believe we'd be looking at a back-end top 25 team next year. Big ifs, however.Beachcat97 wrote:That actually looks like a decent depth chart to me. It's not national contender level, but it is what it is. I'd really like to see Walton and Haarms commit. Would be a nice boost.RondaeShimmy wrote:
Gershon said they're also not one and done caliber. So realistically could have every position filled for the next couple of years.
PG: Akinjo/Euro kid
SG: ___/Walton(?)/Euro Kid who can play dual PGs/Mathurin
SF: Terry/Mathurin
PF: Brown/euro big
C: Koloko/euro big
Of course that's if Miller gets both Euros and if that's the case idk how Miller recruits. Jay Wright after getting his core will get recruiting classes of only 1-2 players. Of course he would have to recruit for depth but hopefully he takes the time to let them play and develop.
Fwiw, the best Pac rosters heading into next season are Oregon (provided they keep everyone), ASU, USC, Stanford and UCLA.
Definitely some big ifs. But if Miller is as good a coach as many here think he is, he should be in a decent position with this roster. No OADs, decent number of guys returning from last year, and some good additions to the roster. Let's see what Miller can do.goslingswagg wrote:
That depth chart is missing Jemarl Baker, Terrell Brown, and Ira Lee as well. I think a lot is riding on these next couple additions...if we get Kriisa and the euro big/Haarms, I believe we'd be looking at a back-end top 25 team next year. Big ifs, however.
Beachcat97 wrote:RondaeShimmy wrote:
Gershon said they're also not one and done caliber. So realistically could have every position filled for the next couple of years.
PG: Akinjo/Euro kid
SG: ___/Walton(?)/Euro Kid who can play dual PGs/Mathurin
SF: Terry/Mathurin
PF: Brown/euro big
C: Koloko/euro big
Of course that's if Miller gets both Euros and if that's the case idk how Miller recruits. Jay Wright after getting his core will get recruiting classes of only 1-2 players. Of course he would have to recruit for depth but hopefully he takes the time to let them play and develop.
You have to be assuming Martin and White return for ASSU because past that their roster really isn’t that good that I can see. They need those guards for their dribble drive attack to work
That actually looks like a decent depth chart to me. It's not national contender level, but it is what it is. I'd really like to see Walton and Haarms commit. Would be a nice boost.
Fwiw, the best Pac rosters heading into next season are Oregon (provided they keep everyone), ASU, USC, Stanford and UCLA.