Re: Greg Byrne new Alabama AD
Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:32 am
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Beachcat97 wrote:Is it really so hard to see Miller leaving for another job?
Lol, fuck the entire Mason family (but not literally because they will play the Duke Lacrosse card on you)Irish27 wrote:
splitsecond wrote:Lol, fuck the entire Mason family (but not literally because they will play the Duke Lacrosse card on you)Irish27 wrote:
Syracuse has won the same number of titles as AZ, has been to the FF more recently, and recruits nationally. They're down a little at the moment, but I'm not sure Cuse is too far off from AZ in terms of history and prestige.Harvey Specter wrote:Your envy of other programs obviously extends beyond the hallowed grounds of Westwood.Beachcat97 wrote:If one of the blue bloods came after him, he'd be gone. I could see him at Syracuse as well.Irish27 wrote:Yes. He has everything here, a top-10 program and can recruit any kid he wants.Beachcat97 wrote:Is it really so hard to see Miller leaving for another job?
He won't leave right away. It would disrupt his family too much. But in a few more years? Especially if he keeps getting close but no cigar in Tucson?
But all the way to Syracuse? STFU and go troll somewhere else...
13 of the 19 listed players are from NY or NJ.Beachcat97 wrote:Syracuse has won the same number of titles as AZ, has been to the FF more recently, and recruits nationally. They're down a little at the moment, but I'm not sure Cuse is too far off from AZ in terms of history and prestige.Harvey Specter wrote:Your envy of other programs obviously extends beyond the hallowed grounds of Westwood.Beachcat97 wrote:If one of the blue bloods came after him, he'd be gone. I could see him at Syracuse as well.Irish27 wrote:Yes. He has everything here, a top-10 program and can recruit any kid he wants.Beachcat97 wrote:Is it really so hard to see Miller leaving for another job?
He won't leave right away. It would disrupt his family too much. But in a few more years? Especially if he keeps getting close but no cigar in Tucson?
But all the way to Syracuse? STFU and go troll somewhere else...
You just made the crystal clear case that going to Syracuse from Arizona is a lateral move at best. Way to go genius. Miller has less competition in his conference at Arizona both in recruiting and in the standings, he also makes millions more than Cuse pays their coach.Beachcat97 wrote:Syracuse has won the same number of titles as AZ, has been to the FF more recently, and recruits nationally. They're down a little at the moment, but I'm not sure Cuse is too far off from AZ in terms of history and prestige.Harvey Specter wrote:Your envy of other programs obviously extends beyond the hallowed grounds of Westwood.Beachcat97 wrote:If one of the blue bloods came after him, he'd be gone. I could see him at Syracuse as well.Irish27 wrote:Yes. He has everything here, a top-10 program and can recruit any kid he wants.Beachcat97 wrote:Is it really so hard to see Miller leaving for another job?
He won't leave right away. It would disrupt his family too much. But in a few more years? Especially if he keeps getting close but no cigar in Tucson?
But all the way to Syracuse? STFU and go troll somewhere else...
5 or 6 years ago?Beachcat97 wrote:By the way, Miller was close to leaving for Maryland. Is Maryland a better program than Syracuse?
Arguably, yes. It was considered a sleeping giant before Miller turned it down.Beachcat97 wrote:By the way, Miller was close to leaving for Maryland. Is Maryland a better program than Syracuse?
Cuse vs. MD isn't even debatable. Cuse has a HOF coach, multiple FFs, a NC, tons of NBA Draft picks, and with the exception of a few seasons here and there, they have been ahead of MD in just about any possible category.Longhorned wrote:Arguably, yes. It was considered a sleeping giant before Miller turned it down.Beachcat97 wrote:By the way, Miller was close to leaving for Maryland. Is Maryland a better program than Syracuse?
Go back to 2010 and re-do that math, keeping in mind the attractiveness of jobs with a single, long-time Hall of Fame coach.Beachcat97 wrote:Cuse vs. MD isn't even debatable. Cuse has a HOF coach, multiple FFs, a NC, tons of NBA Draft picks, and with the exception of a few seasons here and there, they have been ahead of MD in just about any possible category.Longhorned wrote:Arguably, yes. It was considered a sleeping giant before Miller turned it down.Beachcat97 wrote:By the way, Miller was close to leaving for Maryland. Is Maryland a better program than Syracuse?
Syracuse has been a little more consistent than MD, but their heights are comparable. Also, MD is right next to DC. Syracuse used to rely on NYC during their glory days and have been less consistent recently.Longhorned wrote:Go back to 2010 and re-do that math, keeping in mind the attractiveness of jobs with a single, long-time Hall of Fame coach.Beachcat97 wrote:Cuse vs. MD isn't even debatable. Cuse has a HOF coach, multiple FFs, a NC, tons of NBA Draft picks, and with the exception of a few seasons here and there, they have been ahead of MD in just about any possible category.Longhorned wrote:Arguably, yes. It was considered a sleeping giant before Miller turned it down.Beachcat97 wrote:By the way, Miller was close to leaving for Maryland. Is Maryland a better program than Syracuse?
I'm not going find the sources, but early in his tenure at Arizona there was media discussion that he valued the importance of football over basketball, which makes perfect sense for an AD, and is easily justified. And yet as of now, football isn't in a strong place at Arizona, and still all his dreams come true in going to the department with the best football program in the country. I know it isn't his fault, and it certainly isn't for lack of attention. Good on him.PieceOfMeat wrote: Did a good job and I liked the guy, but when Bama comes knocking you go (well, for a football job or an AD job at least).
Why would you consider it vague when the obvious #1 mistake is mentioned. If you want more complaints, start a "all the things byrne did wrong" thread and I'm sure you'll get plenty of responses in it. Personally speaking, I don't feel the need/desire to bother listing them all out in this particular thread and instead would rather wish him well on his journey. Especially when, as I said, I liked the guy (I just wasn't in love with him as many seem to have been).Chicat wrote:The "I'm not as enamoured with Byrne" takes are always conspicuously vague outside of the fact he hired RichRod . . . a guy that two years ago 99 out of 100 of us thought was a homerun hire.
So his numerous mistakes are worth mentioning since you're not in love with the guy but you're not going to discuss them because you like him a bunch and want to wish him well? Haha, ok...PieceOfMeat wrote:Why would you consider it vague when the obvious #1 mistake is mentioned. If you want more complaints, start a "all the things byrne did wrong" thread and I'm sure you'll get plenty of responses in it. Personally speaking, I don't feel the need/desire to bother listing them all out in this particular thread and instead would rather wish him well on his journey. Especially when, as I said, I liked the guy (I just wasn't in love with him as many seem to have been).Chicat wrote:The "I'm not as enamoured with Byrne" takes are always conspicuously vague outside of the fact he hired RichRod . . . a guy that two years ago 99 out of 100 of us thought was a homerun hire.
You didn't ask for any further detail on the other mistakes, you only stated you thought such complaints were "vague" because all they did was mention the #1 mistake he made in hiring RR. I responded why should you consider it vague when the obvious #1 thing was mentioned. I suggested you start a different thread if you're really interested in getting that further detail (which you never asked for, yet you're now complaining about me not wanting to give?). Why are you feeling so salty that not every loves the guy as much as you?Chicat wrote:So his numerous mistakes are worth mentioning since you're not in love with the guy but you're not going to discuss them because you like him a bunch and want to wish him well? Haha, ok...
Then why falsely label others as not wanting to "discuss them" when you A) don't ask for the details and B) won't start a thread to get the details you didnt ask for but now want?Chicat wrote: I thought Byrne was an A-level AD. Not sure why I'd be the one to start the Byrne's Mistakes thread. I'll leave that to the "I'm not in love with him like the rest of you" crowd.
Well there are a number of Byrne fans who did not believe the man walked on water. and we were clearly wrong.ChooChooCat wrote:The one big negative about Byrne (if you portray it as a negative) is he adopted an AD that was in the black (Livengood's strength) and left it in debt to the tune of 7 figures. Of course the facilities have a lot to do with that, but those numbers will cripple the new athletic director quite a bit. Byrne's other negative is Sears Cup standings, which have steadily gone down since Livengood left.
I'm a Byrne fan fwiw, just pointing out some things that can be argued as negative on his watch.
Of course there's room for every opinion. I was just looking for something other than "he hired RichRod". Thank you for illustrating the negative things you see that I don't.Harvey Specter wrote:Well there are a number of Byrne fans who did not believe the man walked on water. and we were clearly wrong.ChooChooCat wrote:The one big negative about Byrne (if you portray it as a negative) is he adopted an AD that was in the black (Livengood's strength) and left it in debt to the tune of 7 figures. Of course the facilities have a lot to do with that, but those numbers will cripple the new athletic director quite a bit. Byrne's other negative is Sears Cup standings, which have steadily gone down since Livengood left.
I'm a Byrne fan fwiw, just pointing out some things that can be argued as negative on his watch.
RR was a fantastic, home run hire because 2 years ago most of us thought he was. (I actually did not like the hire when it was made... but I did like Stoops' hire - so I guess that was a good one).
No one cares about the Sears Cup... as long as we are doing better in swimming, women's soccer, and women's BB it's all good.
Running in the red means nothing. So long as he raised money, it does not matter how he much he spent.
This is obviously facetious... but there does not seem to be room for any opinion that deviates from "The guy was essentially perfection and flawless". Because a B+ is considered a "mediocre grade"... I actually thought C was mediocre, and B+ is just shy of an A.
Regardless - the guy did something right... everyone to a person is sorry to see him leave but wishes him well and harbors no resentment for his departure. We done, Mr. Byrne - and best of luck!
And once Khalil Tate learns and is starting they will all love him again.Chicat wrote:The "I'm not as enamoured with Byrne" takes are always conspicuously vague outside of the fact he hired RichRod . . . a guy that two years ago 99 out of 100 of us thought was a homerun hire.
Not ground breaking but better than what was done by the prior ad. Gave people a feeling that they were a part of the program. I hope that something similar happens with the next ad. Nearly meaningless but still made me feel good to read it in my inbox every week.gumby wrote:BTW, it is amusing that sending out a weekly rah-rahgram is considered ground-breaking. I've had any number of bosses who would've been considered pioneers in the college athletics realm.
The ground-breaking part was how actively UA athletics pursued communication across a number of social media platforms, as well as through alumni groups, surveying, on-campus activities, and so forth. The year after Byrne took the job was a complete 180 from the year before as far as fan engagement and efforts to engage alumni, especially in Phoenix, LA, and even Chicago, Washington DC, and NYC.gumby wrote:BTW, it is amusing that sending out a weekly rah-rahgram is considered ground-breaking. I've had any number of bosses who would've been considered pioneers by that standard.
I assume an Alabama coaching search would involve a line of supplicants. I'm not 100% Dabo would leave Clemson, but he would be the easy answer. The easier list would be guys who wouldn't fall all over themselves to walk to Tuscaloosa.ASUHATER! wrote:Considering Saban is almost 66...Byrne will most likely be tasked with finding his replacement.
Such a glaring difference between GB and Livengood ... on many levels. Had Livengood remained AD Sean Miller would likely be at Maryland, or somewhere else. That dumbass feuded with Lute, who was his bread and butter.Chicat wrote:The ground-breaking part was how actively UA athletics pursued communication across a number of social media platforms, as well as through alumni groups, surveying, on-campus activities, and so forth. The year after Byrne took the job was a complete 180 from the year before as far as fan engagement and efforts to engage alumni, especially in Phoenix, LA, and even Chicago, Washington DC, and NYC.gumby wrote:BTW, it is amusing that sending out a weekly rah-rahgram is considered ground-breaking. I've had any number of bosses who would've been considered pioneers by that standard.
i'm not convinced. Clemson is at the top of the sport right now and he'll be given anything he wants there. it was already a top 15 job. he wouldn't do a lot more or get a lot more at alabama than he isn't getting at clemson. only reason was if he just wanted to do the same thing at his alma mater. i still think alabama wants to shoot higher. get whoever the top NFL coach is that's still working in 2-4 years.CalStateTempe wrote:Easy... Dabo
Don't forget Rita's football videos, Chi!Chicat wrote:The ground-breaking part was how actively UA athletics pursued communication across a number of social media platforms, as well as through alumni groups, surveying, on-campus activities, and so forth. The year after Byrne took the job was a complete 180 from the year before as far as fan engagement and efforts to engage alumni, especially in Phoenix, LA, and even Chicago, Washington DC, and NYC.gumby wrote:BTW, it is amusing that sending out a weekly rah-rahgram is considered ground-breaking. I've had any number of bosses who would've been considered pioneers by that standard.
Dabo has to be #s 1 through 10 on their list, right?CalStateTempe wrote:Easy... Dabo
To be fair, he "feuded" with Lute only when Lute had actual mental illness and was demanding some insane shit, or when he lost control of his signature.MrMeow wrote:That dumbass feuded with Lute, who was his bread and butter.
Hey Harv, I was just reading back through the other thread and I said the word "mediocre" after your description of Byrne having not moved the needle on the three major sports and prior to you ever handing out grades. Just wanted to point that out in case you really do think I believe B+ is a "mediocre grade". And from your original description of Byrne's tenure, I don't know how anyone would have guessed you'd give him such high marks. Maybe you grade on a curve?Harvey Specter wrote:there does not seem to be room for any opinion that deviates from "The guy was essentially perfection and flawless". Because a B+ is considered a "mediocre grade"... I actually thought C was mediocre, and B+ is just shy of an A.
Dabo will be Bama's first call. I agree with your reasoning, but Dabo has such strong personal ties to Alabama. That's the wild card. Generally, I think it is smart to stay in the situation you know is good, and Saban's successor is going to have a very, very high bar set for him, but you can't discount personal ties.ASUHATER! wrote:i'm not convinced. Clemson is at the top of the sport right now and he'll be given anything he wants there. it was already a top 15 job. he wouldn't do a lot more or get a lot more at alabama than he isn't getting at clemson. only reason was if he just wanted to do the same thing at his alma mater. i still think alabama wants to shoot higher. get whoever the top NFL coach is that's still working in 2-4 years.CalStateTempe wrote:Easy... Dabo
To be fair, what was the "insane shit" Lute was demanding? I honestly don't know.EVCat wrote:To be fair, he "feuded" with Lute only when Lute had actual mental illness and was demanding some insane shit, or when he lost control of his signature.MrMeow wrote:That dumbass feuded with Lute, who was his bread and butter.
Lute made it clear for years that he was very much in Jim Livengood's corner and would continue to be, and that relationship was part of why Lute never broke the bank...he respected Livengood's need to run a program in the black with ridiculously unbalanced treatment by the Regents when it came to UA contracts vs ASU contracts. With Dennis DeConcini, among others, breathing down our necks despite us not only running a program with football struggles and low end facilities in the black, but doing so with reserves and tossing money to the school for pet projects.
I know this board is an offshoot of the goazcats board, and boards have cultures...and part of this culture was to dislike Jim Livengood and overblow his mistakes and ignore his successes. He was not Greg Byrne, but he was a very good, not great, AD, who had a completely different environment from which to operate. He made a big mistake with Mackovic, but that was not so crazy a hire at the time of the hire as people remember in retrospect...there was a lot of pressure to bring in an offense first guy. He was very much out and about with the alumni, but was more of an analog guy than digital...Byrne reflected a new generation. My personal dealings with Livengood were limited, but occurred mostly when I was a student with student media. He had an open door policy for student groups in my dealings, as I had no strings to pull, and no real benefit to deliver him, but he had come from WSU and a strong student media, and was supportive. Hell, I met with the guy a year apart in meetings and he remembered a leg injury I was nursing the first time I saw him. He also took a meeting from me when I was in a panic due to a misunderstanding that was going to cost us access...he didn't pawn it off on a subordinate, and at the end of the day, he pulled his personal tickets out of his pocket to fix the situation in the temporary so I didn't have to miss the games right before my graduation (winter grad) while re-establishing access.
He also managed to get John Calipari to agree to be our coach in waiting until Kentucky happened, and then Calipari had so much respect for Livengood, he mentioned Livengood at his presser at UK AND got Sean on the phone in the middle of the night when he turned us down, conference calling Miller then looping in Livengood, getting a deal done. That relationship that Livengood developed saved our program in the end...
Again, Livengood was not a dynamic, great, groundbreaking AD. But he was what we needed at the time we had him. And Byrne was fantastic...a Dempsey-level AD, and we have been blessed to have two of those in such quick succession. But Dempsey and Byrne's greatness should not diminish the job Livengood did.
And from what I've read, a glaring difference among other ADs, too. Troglodytes. Nice that he did it, but how clueless are the rest? It's not like a genius idea.MrMeow wrote:Such a glaring difference between GB and Livengood ... on many levels. Had Livengood remained AD Sean Miller would likely be at Maryland, or somewhere else. That dumbass feuded with Lute, who was his bread and butter.Chicat wrote:The ground-breaking part was how actively UA athletics pursued communication across a number of social media platforms, as well as through alumni groups, surveying, on-campus activities, and so forth. The year after Byrne took the job was a complete 180 from the year before as far as fan engagement and efforts to engage alumni, especially in Phoenix, LA, and even Chicago, Washington DC, and NYC.gumby wrote:BTW, it is amusing that sending out a weekly rah-rahgram is considered ground-breaking. I've had any number of bosses who would've been considered pioneers by that standard.