Bear Down Wildcats

Of fucking course. If there is any way to optimize for tragedy we will relentlessly dig until we uncover it.

Isn’t the school bound to 5 years maximum on a contract?

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:35 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:28 pm

Not worried.

You fucking should be. Tommy said in public he did not come to Arizona to be part of a budget crisis when asked right after the shortfall was announced.

I refuse to believe the school would jeopardize Lloyd’s contract.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:19 pm I refuse to believe the school would jeopardize Lloyd’s contract.

Our school is the poster child for mismanagement.

TheCat wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 4:42 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:35 pm

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 12:28 pm

Not worried.

You fucking should be. Tommy said in public he did not come to Arizona to be part of a budget crisis when asked right after the shortfall was announced.

He wasn't being serious when he said that.

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:19 pm I refuse to believe the school would jeopardize Lloyd’s contract.

Well they're not taking the extension to ABOR and setting up an emergency meeting for our new football coach's contract (but wouldn't/couldn't for Jedd) should give pause to any coach currently or considering employment here. Plus there are no long term deals in Arizona.

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:17 am

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:19 pm I refuse to believe the school would jeopardize Lloyd’s contract.

Well they're not taking the extension to ABOR and setting up an emergency meeting for our new football coach's contract (but wouldn't/couldn't for Jedd) should give pause to any coach currently or considering employment here. Plus there are no long term deals in Arizona.

That's incorrect, define long term deal. I actually think a 5 year contract is considered a long term deal. Just need to renew yearly an up it each year by a bit.

MountainCat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:24 am

TheCat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:17 am

Beachcat97 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2024 6:19 pm I refuse to believe the school would jeopardize Lloyd’s contract.

Well they're not taking the extension to ABOR and setting up an emergency meeting for our new football coach's contract (but wouldn't/couldn't for Jedd) should give pause to any coach currently or considering employment here. Plus there are no long term deals in Arizona.

That's incorrect, define long term deal. I actually think a 5 year contract is considered a long term deal. Just need to renew yearly an up it each year by a bit.

5 years is not now considered long term. 7 and in some cases 10 is long term and becoming the standard in some places. I agree an automatic roll of the contract is beneficial but you always have standards associated with that like winning percentage, time commitments for outside community/fundraising etc..

THE ISSUE OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSITY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH TOMMY LLOYD'S CONTRACT AND FUTURE EXTENSIONS BESIDES THE PROFESSORS WHO LEAKED BAD INFO TO THE MEDIA BITCHING FOR A FEW DAYS

Is bad info like bad fans? Asking for someone who can't translate bad English.

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:39 am Is bad info like bad fans? Asking for someone who can't translate bad English.

The fans are bad. The collective is bad. The professors are bad. The decision makers aren't bad, however.

Robbins said the university loaned the athletics department $86 million and there would be layoffs in athletics, but go ahead and blame the professors.

https://kjzz.org/content/1869123/univer ... ial-crisis

SabinoDrifter wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:57 am

dovecanyoncat wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:39 am Is bad info like bad fans? Asking for someone who can't translate bad English.

The fans are bad. The collective is bad. The professors are bad. The decision makers aren't bad, however.

Sounds like someone owes someone yet another apology.

arizonawildcats wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:08 am Robbins said the university loaned the athletics department $86 million and there would be layoffs in athletics, but go ahead and blame the professors.

https://kjzz.org/content/1869123/univer ... ial-crisis

UA is losing money. They are not losing 240M. They did not miscalculate 240M. They are not projected to lose 240M.

The 240 comes from manipulating the error on the days of cash on hand to be as bad as you can.

Professors have nothing to do with Athletics. They are to blame for misleading a dumb reporter. They are to blame for the bad press. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS THOUGH

Thanks, we stand corrected; fuck education and professors

Root root root for the home team! Bad fans unite!

We not broke but we sure dum.

What bad info did professors leak to the press? Aren't all the meetings recorded and published?

arizonawildcats wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:08 am Robbins said the university loaned the athletics department $86 million and there would be layoffs in athletics, but go ahead and blame the professors.

https://kjzz.org/content/1869123/univer ... ial-crisis

Robbins said the AD is late in paying back the loan.

Doesn't the UA give the AD $50M annually outside of the loan?

Robbins/Heeke wanted to give Fisch and Lloyd raises of over $1M a year.

And, you know, people have spoken to me about how he [CBB] is one of the low lowest paid coaches in the new league

Robbins announced no cost of living raises for faculty and staff, and implemented a hiring freeze. So faculty, staff and students will all have to work harder to get things done, for less money.

I can see why the professors would be angry.

Don't know if Arizona faculty can strike, but they can in California and just did. https://www.latimes.com/california/stor ... ed-reviews

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:54 am

arizonawildcats wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 9:08 am Robbins said the university loaned the athletics department $86 million and there would be layoffs in athletics, but go ahead and blame the professors.

https://kjzz.org/content/1869123/univer ... ial-crisis

UA is losing money. They are not losing 240M. They did not miscalculate 240M. They are not projected to lose 240M.

The 240 comes from manipulating the error on the days of cash on hand to be as bad as you can.

Professors have nothing to do with Athletics. They are to blame for misleading a dumb reporter. They are to blame for the bad press. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ATHLETICS THOUGH

Ah yes, the dumb Associated Press.

https://apnews.com/article/university-o ... 2d61dcfa70

The University has enough cash to cover the next quarter as of mid-December and they still have six months left in the fiscal year. The athletic department is not paying back their debt quickly enough, which in the real world, would have the borrower incur significant late fees at a premium interest rate for failure for timely repayment. You have no idea what you're talking about, which I know is rare for you.

I was addressing the professors

Not the Athletic Department

Balance sheet analysis should reckon figures at important settlement dates: quarterly and year-end, for example. Machina may well be right about some elements of this mess, but the way he mangles comms in favor of pissy self-importance throws a wrench in the convo. There's a lot of professional avarice, hubris, and dick measuring in University politics, probably as much as there is twatty self-victimization on sports forums. Tomorrow we might know something substantive.

Can we actually talk about the product Lloyd is putting on the court? Anyone else find it distressing that team each year seems to be regressing, and not as good as the previous team? Yes, this year isn't over, but this year's team already lost more PAC games than his first one, in less than half a season. And at the pace we're going right now, we'd be lucky to get a protected top 4 seed in the Big Dance.

Teams often take on the persona of their head coach. And our team seems to be just as "aw shucks" after every loss as Tommy, and we have no nasty streak. No way we should allow a team like Oregon State to shoot 53% from the field, and 60% from 3. No excuse, but we did. Someone has to light a fire under this team. I hope Tommy is the guy who can do it.

Wait I thought all that matters is the NCAA tournament?

Not worried at all besides Boswell

Top 20 Net teams are 52-46 in road games. This is a product of NIL and the portal. It isn't a UA issue

Yes if our players received more NIL they would play better and not make as many mistakes

This is proven science

Guys, so many of you consistently devalue the regular season in your commentary and value the post-season performance as the exclusive measure og collegiate basketball success. Admit it now!

CTL's first two regular seasons were the best in the history of college basketball (which, BTW, I really, really enjoyed AND valued! His two post-seasons ended prematurely, by our own estimates and hopes.

Now, were struggling in the regular season more than in CTL's first two years, and when the coach is relaxed, talks about learning and developing through the season to better enable reaching our true goals, you're whining like little bitches!

So, WTF is it??? Can you "BTFD!!!!" now to be the best in March, or do you really value the regular season much, much more than you've been willing to admit in March and April???

Right now, I believe the 'Cats are just a "pretty good team". They've shown flashes of brilliance, and periods of mediocrity. We've got good personnel, but are now performing below expectations/hopes.

I recall the Lute's teams ALWAYS started the seasons operating much more smoothly and effectively that most top teamas. But they also faltered in the late season. I'm seeing similar pattern with CTL.

FWIW, I LOVED Lute Olson. And, I love CTL just as much!!

BTFD!!!!

I don't care about losses as much as i care about seeing improvement.

We peaked in December.... this is concerning

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:47 am Yes if our players received more NIL they would play better and not make as many mistakes

This is proven science

NIL and the portal as a whole not just UA

NIL and the portal have closed the gap between the average teams and the really good teams the last several years.

The gap between bad teams and good teams now is a small fraction of what it was in the 90s

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:44 am Wait I thought ....

Wait, that must have hurt.

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:44 amall that matters is the NCAA tournament?

... only for those beyond the NIT

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:44 amNot worried at all

I'm suddenly so relieved.

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:44 ambesides Boswell

Say it, he owes you an apology.

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 9:44 amTop 20 Net teams are 52-46 in road games. This is a product of NIL and the portal. It isn't a UA issue

NIL and the portal didn't exist before our first 8 games. Got it.

Oregon St must have got a huge NIL pile of cash delivered to them on Wednesday

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:18 am Oregon St must have got a huge NIL pile of cash delivered to them on Wednesday

It's scientifically proven that cold hard cash helps you hit fall-away rainbow 3 pointers at the buzzer.

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:18 am Oregon St must have got a huge NIL pile of cash delivered to them on Wednesday

We could have an honest conversation about this instead of this crap

The hypocrisy never ends

There are always multiple seasons within each season. If you record one of those early season made-for-TV matchups and compare to a late season game, there are usually obvious differences. We've often been a little better early than a lot of teams we play non-conference, so there's a bit of over-inflated sense of self (and ranking.) You hit conference play, and it's tougher. No Morgan States or UT Arlingtons or going ten days without a game, even if you did get up for the big ones. Some players hit the wall, rival coaches get bleary eyed learning your patterns and player mannerisms, and road conference games are a totally different animal than neutral court games, for a lot of reasons. Come late season/conference tournament, and you'd better get your second wind, hopefully coinciding with adjusting to the other teams' adjustments. The NCAAs are always a wild card, with unknown teams, inaccurate seeding, and the rest. So I think it helps to think in terms of parsing the season, especially when you're looking at 35-40 games. We're currently in the basketball equivalent of baseball's dog days of summer.

Uconn started out 14-0 last year only to end Jan at 16-6 before figuring it out to win the championship. I'm not saying that is what will happen with us. This year is following a trend we have seen with Tommy's teams. We start out hot and don't progress much throughout the year. He needs to figure this out and start to have some success in March or he will not get the best to keep coming here.

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:53 am Uconn started out 14-0 last year only to end Jan at 16-6 before figuring it out to win the championship. I'm not saying that is what will happen with us. This year is following a trend we have seen with Tommy's teams. We start out hot and don't progress much throughout the year. He needs to figure this out and start to have some success in March or he will not get the best to keep coming here.

My concern is it is the same script in our bad losses. I believed CTL in that his goal was to increase our margin of error. Well we can’t guard ball screens, our 3pt defense is terrible, and our most important player is lost. Our margin of error is slim with those 3 issues

Lloyd still is learning too. Runs a deeper bench than he did last year, which really hurt in the NCAA tourney last season with Kriisa and Tubelis both hurting and having to play.

Although Lloyd's loyalty to the starters end of games is a head scratcher. Like the last 5 minutes of the Princeton game last season. Kriisa could barely walk and was pretty much useless, and a rested and playing well Boswell was on the bench. And putting Boswell and Ballo back in with 8(?) minutes to play last night when they were both having severe confidence issues. Maybe Tommy thought is would boost their confidence, but when you won't shoot, and can't make a free throw you need to have some pine time.

Speaking of which, it may not be such a terrible thing not to be so highly seeded. As we all know, Arizona is the only team to lose twice as 2nd seeds to 15 seeds in the first round. Lute had a rep for early round exits, which Lloyd has now, along with his new and correct rep of losing to teams he should beat handily.

Sure hate to go into the tourney in the first round as a #1 seed , and lose to 16th seed Loyola Chicago with Sister Jean since God hates the UA.

Although that is not happening now, and Cats will probably be 5th-9th. Like PCinNM said, Sweet 16 is probably the ceiling for this team, and I imagine we would all be good with that. Another first round bounce, and Lloyd may not be pressing for a raise.

Cripes. Cancer sucks. Don't know any family not affected by it.

Brain cancer is what my mom died of back in 2019. It's just the worst. Sounds like Tommy's friend was a good 20 years younger than my mom too. Ugh, that's just wrong. Hope the man's family and friends can find some peace eventually.

84Cat wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:53 am Uconn started out 14-0 last year only to end Jan at 16-6 before figuring it out to win the championship. I'm not saying that is what will happen with us. This year is following a trend we have seen with Tommy's teams. We start out hot and don't progress much throughout the year. He needs to figure this out and start to have some success in March or he will not get the best to keep coming here.

I think the PAC tournament shows that his teams can play well late in the season. Who we have lost to is strange as those are not the strong teams in the league. That to me is more on the players than the coach.

When a TL coached team has its PG play well, they don’t lose often. He just hasn’t received any consistent play from that position since he has been here

azcat49 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:24 am When a TL coached team has its PG play well, they don’t lose often. He just hasn’t received any consistent play from that position since he has been here

Same issue as the previous coach

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:12 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:18 am Oregon St must have got a huge NIL pile of cash delivered to them on Wednesday

We could have an honest conversation about this instead of this crap

Not if you are involved.

The hypocrisy never ends.

Where have you hidden all your mirrors.

RichardCranium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 4:51 pm

PHXCATS wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:12 am

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 26, 2024 10:18 am Oregon St must have got a huge NIL pile of cash delivered to them on Wednesday

We could have an honest conversation about this instead of this crap

Not if you are involved.

The hypocrisy never ends.

Where have you hidden all your mirrors.

Thank you for caring so much, even a week after

Just to let everyone know, because I wouldn't want anyone be confused or anything...

I don't read every thread every day. Heck, sometimes I even mark all threads as read and don't open up for days at a time!

I'm a monster, I know.

RichardCranium wrote: ↑Thu Feb 01, 2024 5:40 pm Just to let everyone know, because I wouldn't want anyone be confused or anything...

I don't read every thread every day. Heck, sometimes I even mark all threads as read and don't open up for days at a time!

I'm a monster, I know.

Only Machina is owed an apology. The rest of BDW is all bad all the time.

Great for recruiting as long as you aren't cut.

Thought this image was pretty cool!

Alieberman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:39 am Thought this image was pretty cool!

I'm pretty sure that I had a "silent" heart attack during that Zags game...

.. if so, good thing it was "silent", because I could not have left to go to the ER!!

(the fact of a previous "silent heart attack" was confirmed ~10 years later by echo-cardiogram)