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I love this almost as much as when you were pretending to be a “voice-of-reason” Cat fan.Scummy Dick Douglas wrote:I'd prefer Sumlin over Herm, no doubt. That said, I find it interesting how quickly you all are anointing Sumlin as a sure fire home run. How often does a coach fired from a better program meet expectations at the next job? Sumlin had a staff of ace recruiters at A&M, most of which will not be joining him in Tucson. While I have little doubt that Sumlin will elevate recruiting, what has Sumlin done to make you think he can develop or even capitalize on said talent? Sumlin had like 3 top 10 recruiting classes at A&M. With all that talent on the roster this year, he blew a huge lead and lost to UCLA (a team RR beat with much less talent), and was tied in the 4th qtr against Nicholls State.Chicat wrote:It's obvious to them too. They just won't admit it.Bangkok Wildcat wrote:Personally I liked the obvious quote below the most:
It’s so damned obvious to everyone but some delusional Scummies. Bear Down Coach Sumlin!As far as recruiting goes, there has to be a renewed recruiting emphasis in California and Texas. In-state, let's just say as long as Sumlin is at Arizona and Herm Edwards is at Arizona State, it's advantage Wildcats.
The reality is, there were several jobs open, many of which Sumlin made a play for. He was never seriously considered for any of them until UA. Perhaps because of the reasons I list above? Or perhaps because at one point Sumlin was leading a program that was tied with Oklahoma at for most players arrested in all of NCAA.
So yes, Sumlin is a better hire than Herm Edwards, but that isn't saying much. Just about anyone would have been a better hire than Herm Edwards. As pointed out in other threads, I like many ASU folks wanted nothing to do with Sumlin... until the reality of who we were hiring hit us in the face. So did UA make a better hire than ASU? Yes. Did UA hire a good coach? Not so sure about that. While there is one Sumlin aggie fan boy here, I would advise you go look through the archive at Texags to get a feel for what A&M fans really think of Sumlin. There is a reason he is not there now, and that they wanted him gone awhile ago.
I have nothing against Yates and am fine with him staying since Sumlin apparently thinks highly of him... but I am still in a wait-and-see mode before I am sold on him as our DC.Bangkok Wildcat wrote:First, again, CKS is a home run hire for Arizona Football IMHO.
Second, what jobs did CKS go after that you can actually confirm he interviewed for?
Third, I’m glad those schools passed on him (the ones you can confirm that CKS actually chased)...with Yates, and other reasons, I think he’s a great fit for us right now.
Yet again, extremely happy and stoked we got the guy WE WANTED! BTFD.
Personally, I am giving him a short leash. Two years to turn the D around.Harvey Specter wrote:I have nothing against Yates and am fine with him staying since Sumlin apparently thinks highly of him... but I am still in a wait-and-see mode before I am sold on him as our DC.Bangkok Wildcat wrote:First, again, CKS is a home run hire for Arizona Football IMHO.
Second, what jobs did CKS go after that you can actually confirm he interviewed for?
Third, I’m glad those schools passed on him (the ones you can confirm that CKS actually chased)...with Yates, and other reasons, I think he’s a great fit for us right now.
Yet again, extremely happy and stoked we got the guy WE WANTED! BTFD.
I guess I am not nearly as concerned with the "continuity" aspect of his retention... I want the best staff we can get. Period.
I think Yates has a good head start on turning it around. Although the stats may not bear it out, I think the eye test was a lot better this past season. The new group of freshman were/are very promising and if they are an indication of his recruiting/evaluation abilities, then I'm encouraged. Plus, he won't be limited by RR's meddling nonsense. I would think that in two years we'll be enjoying a significant improvement on D.btfd16 wrote:Personally, I am giving him a short leash. Two years to turn the D around.Harvey Specter wrote:I have nothing against Yates and am fine with him staying since Sumlin apparently thinks highly of him... but I am still in a wait-and-see mode before I am sold on him as our DC.Bangkok Wildcat wrote:First, again, CKS is a home run hire for Arizona Football IMHO.
Second, what jobs did CKS go after that you can actually confirm he interviewed for?
Third, I’m glad those schools passed on him (the ones you can confirm that CKS actually chased)...with Yates, and other reasons, I think he’s a great fit for us right now.
Yet again, extremely happy and stoked we got the guy WE WANTED! BTFD.
I guess I am not nearly as concerned with the "continuity" aspect of his retention... I want the best staff we can get. Period.
North:
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
Cal
Wazzu
Oregon State
South:
USC
Arizona
Utah
UCLA
Colorado
ASU
2. Arizona. Sumlin’s tactical skills and ability to coach quarterbacks, combined with the speed and talent at the skill positions, leaves little doubt the Wildcats will remain potent. The key is the defense, which relied heavily on a handful of freshmen. If coordinator Marcel Yates coaxed across-the-board improvement, the Wildcats could well be the South champs.
The Pac12 is so wide open next year it's crazy.azgreg wrote:Wilner chimes in.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/18/ ... onas-year/" target="_blank
North:
Washington
Oregon
Stanford
Cal
Wazzu
Oregon State
South:
USC
Arizona
Utah
UCLA
Colorado
ASU
2. Arizona. Sumlin’s tactical skills and ability to coach quarterbacks, combined with the speed and talent at the skill positions, leaves little doubt the Wildcats will remain potent. The key is the defense, which relied heavily on a handful of freshmen. If coordinator Marcel Yates coaxed across-the-board improvement, the Wildcats could well be the South champs.
Starting to think possible transfers as well. First one that came to mind was Tate Martell, committed to A&M and going to lose out to Haskins, but I do not want him anywhere near our program. Kid is an attention seeking douche. No way else to put it.EVCat wrote:I wonder if some of the current big name crop of QBs in the state of Arizona might not come back into play, now that we aren't running read option/QB killer offense, and Sumlin is the name on the head coach office door?
I've never been that impressed with Hurts. He is a suspect passer which is masked in most games due to Alabama's oline/running game. Although, he would be a better backup for Tate than what we currently have.RondaeShimmy wrote:Hoping Jalen Hurts transfers
Am thinking next wave, post Tate....Rattler, Conover (well, he may have a mission), Rattler....btfd16 wrote:Starting to think possible transfers as well. First one that came to mind was Tate Martell, committed to A&M and going to lose out to Haskins, but I do not want him anywhere near our program. Kid is an attention seeking douche. No way else to put it.EVCat wrote:I wonder if some of the current big name crop of QBs in the state of Arizona might not come back into play, now that we aren't running read option/QB killer offense, and Sumlin is the name on the head coach office door?
gronk4heisman wrote:To bad Nick Wilson played 5 games last year.
Even if he only played four, the rule isn't retroactive.gronk4heisman wrote:To bad Nick Wilson played 5 games last year.
It wouldn't be fair to include one and not the other because both Schooler and Fields had surprisingly outstanding seasons. Schooler was the 109th-ranked outside linebacker, and Fields was No. 33 at the position. They combined for 179 total tackles, with Fields leading the team with 91. Schooler had two interceptions and four sacks while Fields had four sacks to go with one interception. Quarterback Khalil Tate might have stolen the show in Tucson this past season with his performance, but Schooler and Fields are two names people should know for next season.
scumdevils86 wrote:Yep. Football school now.
Jeter would have to sit a year if he transfers.Merkin wrote:scumdevils86 wrote:Yep. Football school now.
Will be next year for sure. Losing one of your only 2 recruits, your 2 starting seniors, your 2 top scorers, and who knows if Alkins will bail too.
The only rotation player who will probably stay is Smith, since he already sat out one season for transferring. Can Jeter transfer and play immediately since he is redshirtting this year?
I imagine Barcello will play.
That's good for Arizona then, no one wants to sit out 2 years.prh wrote:Jeter would have to sit a year if he transfers.Merkin wrote:scumdevils86 wrote:Yep. Football school now.
Will be next year for sure. Losing one of your only 2 recruits, your 2 starting seniors, your 2 top scorers, and who knows if Alkins will bail too.
The only rotation player who will probably stay is Smith, since he already sat out one season for transferring. Can Jeter transfer and play immediately since he is redshirtting this year?
I imagine Barcello will play.
Merkin wrote:That's good for Arizona then, no one wants to sit out 2 years.prh wrote:Jeter would have to sit a year if he transfers.Merkin wrote:scumdevils86 wrote:Yep. Football school now.
Will be next year for sure. Losing one of your only 2 recruits, your 2 starting seniors, your 2 top scorers, and who knows if Alkins will bail too.
The only rotation player who will probably stay is Smith, since he already sat out one season for transferring. Can Jeter transfer and play immediately since he is redshirtting this year?
I imagine Barcello will play.
Jeter is sitting out this year and will play '18-'19 season : https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketbal ... e-transferUAEebs86 wrote:Merkin wrote:That's good for Arizona then, no one wants to sit out 2 years.prh wrote:Jeter would have to sit a year if he transfers.Merkin wrote:scumdevils86 wrote:Yep. Football school now.
Will be next year for sure. Losing one of your only 2 recruits, your 2 starting seniors, your 2 top scorers, and who knows if Alkins will bail too.
The only rotation player who will probably stay is Smith, since he already sat out one season for transferring. Can Jeter transfer and play immediately since he is redshirtting this year?
I imagine Barcello will play.
The situation could actually be good for certain players. Yeah, they might get a postseason ban of some sort, but they will get way more minutes and time to develop than they would have before at a program like Arizona.
only 68 actually!azgreg wrote:About 168 days until ANGCatFan's countdown starts!
Fixed. Thanks.scumdevils86 wrote:only 68 actually!azgreg wrote:About 168 days until ANGCatFan's countdown starts!
Shit! Fuck that!ASUHATER! wrote:i think you're all reading the tweet wrong. it says 6.94 wins for Arizona.
I would be upset. New coach or not. Barring injuries, should start 4-0. Going 3-5 against USC, Cal, Utah, UCLA, Oregon, CU, Wazzu and Assu would be disappointing to me.azgreg wrote:Shit! Fuck that!ASUHATER! wrote:i think you're all reading the tweet wrong. it says 6.94 wins for Arizona.
Actually 7-5 wouldn't be terrible.
Absolutely, with no experienced backup QB, 2 out of your top 3 RBs gone, along with starters on both sides of the line, several LBs from an already small group, your best CB to the NFL and so on.azgreg wrote:Shit! Fuck that!ASUHATER! wrote:i think you're all reading the tweet wrong. it says 6.94 wins for Arizona.
Actually 7-5 wouldn't be terrible.
Damn 7 wins is not terrible but this team is bringing a lot back.ASUHATER! wrote:i think you're all reading the tweet wrong. it says 6.94 wins for Arizona.
That USC game at home is going to be a big one.btfd16 wrote:I would be upset. New coach or not. Barring injuries, should start 4-0. Going 3-5 against USC, Cal, Utah, UCLA, Oregon, CU, Wazzu and Assu would be disappointing to me.azgreg wrote:Shit! Fuck that!ASUHATER! wrote:i think you're all reading the tweet wrong. it says 6.94 wins for Arizona.
Actually 7-5 wouldn't be terrible.
Tyrell Johnson and Trevor Wood are quite sad they are already forgotten!Newportcat wrote: All WR's/TE's back