P12 Football is Dead:

TheBuffet · Post by **TheBuffet** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:30 pm

Plays on a network no one gets
Plays at times no one watches
Makes less money (TV) than other conferences

Results in:

Inferior recruiting
No top tier coaching
No Playoff
A 1-8 Bowl record

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:31 pm

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:50 pm

Can’t disagree with any of that. The fact that the conference was pretty much eliminated from playoff consideration in October is all you need to know.

Fire Larry Scott*

*not sure if it’s actually all his fault, but fuck that guy

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:51 pm

Chicat wrote:Can’t disagree with any of that. The fact that the conference was pretty much eliminated from playoff consideration in October is all you need to know.

Fire Larry Scott*

*not sure if it’s actually all his fault, but fuck that guy

The buck stops at the top right?

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:04 pm

Shit rolls downhill.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:18 am

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb ... li=BBnba9I" target="_blank

chiefzona · Post by **chiefzona** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:44 am

Football is cyclical.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Sun Dec 31, 2017 12:37 pm

Larry Scott's contract was extended until 2022 for reasons I can't comprehend.

On another note there's a very big reason Chip Kelly took the UCLA job over other perceived better jobs and it's cause he know he can absolutely dominate this conference for every reason mentioned in the original post, especially with Clay Helton as the coach of his biggest competition.

ramcat · Post by **ramcat** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:37 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Larry Scott's contract was extended until 2022 for reasons I can't comprehend.

On another note there's a very big reason Chip Kelly took the UCLA job over other perceived better jobs and it's cause he know he can absolutely dominate this conference for every reason mentioned in the original post, especially with Clay Helton as the coach of his biggest competition.

Btw, when Pendergast had the personnel at Cal, he held Kelly offense to 40 below season avg.. Just saying...

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:24 am

ChooChooCat wrote:Larry Scott's contract was extended until 2022 for reasons I can't comprehend.

None of the big egos at the member institutions want to admit they’ve made a horrific mistake. So they of course compounded it.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:41 pm

Postmaster · Post by **Postmaster** » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:57 pm

TheBuffet wrote:Plays on a network no one gets
Plays at times no one watches
Makes less money (TV) than other conferences

Results in:

Inferior recruiting
No top tier coaching
No Playoff
A 1-8 Bowl record

I'd add craptastic officiating.

Harvey Specter · Post by **Harvey Specter** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:17 am

Well despite the inane conplaints about Bama making the playoff (All the whiny bitching about “SEC bias”)... I think it is crystal clear that they picked the right team to round out the playoff.

Saban-envy notwithstanding, the 2 best teams in college Football are playing for the National Championship next Monday. Even if some dogshit conference (and/or conference champs) got snubbed. Boo-fucking hoo!

PHXCATS · Post by **PHXCATS** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:04 am

TheBuffet wrote:Plays on a network no one gets
Plays at times no one watches
Makes less money (TV) than other conferences

Results in:

Inferior recruiting
No top tier coaching
No Playoff
A 1-8 Bowl record

1 needs to change right away. Even if it means getting less per subscriber from Cox and Comcast and Dish
2 nothing will change if you want to be on the two powers of college football (ESPN and Fox)
3 nothing will change until alumni give a shot. Will take a huge culture change

F Larry Scott. Fire him and hire Byrne. Byrne wasn't perfect here and I like Heeke more in a few areas but Byrne would have at least the ability to expand the network and would take chances to improve the culture and times

azgreg · Post by **azgreg** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:23 am

TheBuffet wrote:Plays on a network no one gets
Plays at times no one watches
Makes less money (TV) than other conferences

Results in:

Inferior recruiting
No top tier coaching
No Playoff
A 1-8 Bowl record

Also plays New Years Six bowl games that aren't actually played on New Years.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:37 pm

Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:Larry Scott's contract was extended until 2022 for reasons I can't comprehend.
None of the big egos at the member institutions want to admit they’ve made a horrific mistake. So they of course compounded it.

What boggles my mind is the most influential Pac 12 president is Michael fucking Crow. He worships Larry's bald spot and every one follows his lead once again for reasons I can't comprehend.

UALoco · Post by **UALoco** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:55 pm

This is all sad but true.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:24 pm

Why the hell is he the most influential?

All of his asu boondoggles to create the “new American university” fail.

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:27 pm

CalStateTempe wrote:Why the hell is he the most influential?

All of his asu boondoggles to create the “new American university” fail.

He's the most tenured....that's about it.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:32 pm

Typical academia.

Merkin · Post by **Merkin** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:40 pm

The Cal president is very upset with Scott. But she has that huge boondoggle of a stadium that needs to get paid for, with no current means to do so.

Hopefully her being so vocal will help sway the other campus presidents, since every PAC program needs those funds other conferences are getting.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:54 pm

Make sense that crow doesn’t want his garbage school to be seen nationally.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:14 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Why the hell is he the most influential?

All of his asu boondoggles to create the “new American university” fail.
He's the most tenured....that's about it.

Also runs the biggest school, and one with a lot of reach with its online offerings and partnership with Starbucks and other companies.

CalStateTempe · Post by **CalStateTempe** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:30 pm

Like I said...boondoggles

ChooChooCat · Post by **ChooChooCat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:44 pm

Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Why the hell is he the most influential?

All of his asu boondoggles to create the “new American university” fail.
He's the most tenured....that's about it.
Also runs the biggest school, and one with a lot of reach with its online offerings and partnership with Starbucks and other companies.

While very accurate, he should never have more power/influence than the California school presidents in any way shape or form. To sum it up his school isn't the swinging big dick of the conference.

Chicat · Post by **Chicat** » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:02 pm

ChooChooCat wrote:
Chicat wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
CalStateTempe wrote:Why the hell is he the most influential?

All of his asu boondoggles to create the “new American university” fail.
He's the most tenured....that's about it.
Also runs the biggest school, and one with a lot of reach with its online offerings and partnership with Starbucks and other companies.
While very accurate, he should never have more power/influence than the California school presidents in any way shape or form. To sum it up his school isn't the swinging big dick of the conference.

Most certainly true. You would think as far as sports is concerned, the hierarchy would be.....

USC
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UCLA
Oregon
Arizona
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ASSU, Utah, Wazzu, ntOSU all tied for last.

Bear Down Wildcats

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