Bear Down Wildcats

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:07 pm Good stuff Winger.

Who's PFM?

Who were UDubs first 3 choices besides Leopold?

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:59 pm For Postmaster and Carcasdragger.

Quick piece of laundry: if I post anything that isn't common knowledge, hasn't been reported by someone, etc. it is coming from me. not the other site. If you hear otherwise you're being played. I won't post anything that was behind the paywall over there that didn't come from me.

Why Arizona Football, imv, Got Lucky with Fisch

I have to say up front that on account of his reputation, as it was conveyed to me, I was terribly anti-Fisch from the jump. Imo all of his Arizona Family, Gronk and Bruschi, Ricky and Chuck, wearing Tomey's slicker (RIP coach), "we had to fix the offense before we could get to the defense", etc. was just a part of the act and opportunistic BS, which doubled the irritation.

The backstory to that really good 1st recruiting class and the 10 win season goes something like this ...

Fisch's next 2 recruiting classes sucked. He didn't understand who the best QB was on his team twice season 1, and then again season 3, and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for season 2; which I am not sure is deserved. His play calling was eyebrow raising at times and he didn't know basic rules like when you have to go for 2 in OT.

Brown aside, his initial staff was a bunch of first timers, journeymen, former Arizona greats who no one else would hire, and dudes with little to no experience at their current positions. And, Brown bailed after the 1st season.

Early on in season 2 Arizona put an extension on his desk, which just about put me in the infirmary, and he refused to sign it for months. Because: he was always about the next job. And, was actively looking at that time. And, didn't want his buyout increased. He was very close to leaving Arizona for a NFL OC job after season 2, but then decided not to on account of "the money being lateral" and signed the extension.

Then, during season 3 you have the horribly uneven play behind JDL to start. Remember that Arizona was losing to Stanford when Dawkins .... err JDL ... got hurt, forcing the substitution of Tate ... err ... Fifita ... in to the lineup.

I believe if not for that injury Arizona likely loses the Stanford game and would have been lucky to have finished 500 or a game over 500.

At that point, you are stuck with Fisch's iffy coaching and terrible recruiting classes and you're going in to season 4 with JDL as the starter and Fisch as the head coach, because no one would have given him the time of day. Despite his vigor to get out of town. And you're looking at several more years of meh 500 ball at best.

And he is still going to bail on you the first chance he gets.

Instead, the QB he couldn't recognize, played like PFM, Arizona went on a roll, and Fisch, quite by accident, became a name. Then, add a green inexperienced maroon for an AD at Washington, getting spurned by his first 3 choices, Fisch's hyper aggressive agent, and despite Fisch assuring boosters like Humberto and power brokers like Kinerk that he was all in, including telling Robbins less that 36 hours before he signed with UW that he wasn't going anywhere, and his disingenuous comment to the press regarding why an extension wasn't signed ("we need to get the assistants taken care of"); he signs with UW and they do that hideous video of him signing the docs in Tucson after walking past an Arizona Football sign by his front door.

In sum, you have hope for 2024 behind a roster that needs some work but isn't abjectly terrible, a legit head football coach who isn't a charade (tho obviously we don't know what we have yet), and the 'mo of the miraculous 10-win 2023 season heading in to the Truckstop Conference.

And it only took 3 years. And we didn't have to suffer through 3 or more seasons of Fisch Meh Malaise. With a clown for a head coach who was going to bail at the first opportunity afforded.

And got $5 million from Washington.

I think that fits the definition of lucky.

Now, watch what happens in Seattle, because you know what is coming.

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:12 pm
Leopold, J. Smith, Campbell.

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:59 pm Now, watch what happens in Seattle, because you know what is coming.

TheCat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:23 am If you want to understand how bad some of the decision making was we lost to Miss. St. that fired their coach. We say he was a great evaluator of talent yet he didn't understand who his best QB was. I loved the offense he ran though and hopefully that continues.

Everyone points to NF as the reason we won 10 games and I think he was great but the real improvement was on the defensive side of the ball.

cerec_cat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:59 am Seems like we have often had the problem of not starting the better quarterback. Nick Foles, Willie tuitama, Khalil Tate, Fifita....

Catintheheat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:28 am And that has a lot to do this Duane Akina.

Merkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 10:03 am

cerec_cat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:59 am Seems like we have often had the problem of not starting the better quarterback. Nick Foles, Willie tuitama, Khalil Tate, Fifita....

I was thinking about that earlier, going back to Dick Tomey, who had huge loyalty to his seniors. Ortege Jenkin's senior year he was terrible. Couldn't complete 50% of his passes and threw more picks than TDs.

His backup was Jason Johnson, who Mackovic turned into a record setting QB, and even had a tryout with the Jets(?).

Not just QBs either, Tomey had a place kicker who was 1-10 in FGs. MacDonald or something like that.

Catintheheat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:28 am And that has a lot to do this Duane Akina.

No one more pissed than Akina about Fisch.

cerec_cat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:59 am Seems like we have often had the problem of not starting the better quarterback. Nick Foles, Willie tuitama, Khalil Tate, Fifita....

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:59 pm For Postmaster and Carcasdragger.

Quick piece of laundry: if I post anything that isn't common knowledge, hasn't been reported by someone, etc. it is coming from me. not the other site. If you hear otherwise you're being played. I won't post anything that was behind the paywall over there that didn't come from me.

Why Arizona Football, imv, Got Lucky with Fisch

I have to say up front that on account of his reputation, as it was conveyed to me, I was terribly anti-Fisch from the jump. Imo all of his Arizona Family, Gronk and Bruschi, Ricky and Chuck, wearing Tomey's slicker (RIP coach), "we had to fix the offense before we could get to the defense", etc. was just a part of the act and opportunistic BS, which doubled the irritation.

The backstory to that really good 1st recruiting class and the 10 win season goes something like this ...

Fisch's next 2 recruiting classes sucked. He didn't understand who the best QB was on his team twice season 1, and then again season 3, and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for season 2; which I am not sure is deserved. His play calling was eyebrow raising at times and he didn't know basic rules like when you have to go for 2 in OT.

Brown aside, his initial staff was a bunch of first timers, journeymen, former Arizona greats who no one else would hire, and dudes with little to no experience at their current positions. And, Brown bailed after the 1st season.

Early on in season 2 Arizona put an extension on his desk, which just about put me in the infirmary, and he refused to sign it for months. Because: he was always about the next job. And, was actively looking at that time. And, didn't want his buyout increased. He was very close to leaving Arizona for a NFL OC job after season 2, but then decided not to on account of "the money being lateral" and signed the extension.

Then, during season 3 you have the horribly uneven play behind JDL to start. Remember that Arizona was losing to Stanford when Dawkins .... err JDL ... got hurt, forcing the substitution of Tate ... err ... Fifita ... in to the lineup.

I believe if not for that injury Arizona likely loses the Stanford game and would have been lucky to have finished 500 or a game over 500.

At that point, you are stuck with Fisch's iffy coaching and terrible recruiting classes and you're going in to season 4 with JDL as the starter and Fisch as the head coach, because no one would have given him the time of day. Despite his vigor to get out of town. And you're looking at several more years of meh 500 ball at best.

And he is still going to bail on you the first chance he gets.

Instead, the QB he couldn't recognize, played like PFM, Arizona went on a roll, and Fisch, quite by accident, became a name. Then, add a green inexperienced maroon for an AD at Washington, getting spurned by his first 3 choices, Fisch's hyper aggressive agent, and despite Fisch assuring boosters like Humberto and power brokers like Kinerk that he was all in, including telling Robbins less that 36 hours before he signed with UW that he wasn't going anywhere, and his disingenuous comment to the press regarding why an extension wasn't signed ("we need to get the assistants taken care of"); he signs with UW and they do that hideous video of him signing the docs in Tucson after walking past an Arizona Football sign by his front door.

In sum, you have hope for 2024 behind a roster that needs some work but isn't abjectly terrible, a legit head football coach who isn't a charade (tho obviously we don't know what we have yet), and the 'mo of the miraculous 10-win 2023 season heading in to the Truckstop Conference.

And it only took 3 years. And we didn't have to suffer through 3 or more seasons of Fisch Meh Malaise. With a clown for a head coach who was going to bail at the first opportunity afforded.

And got $5 million from Washington.

I think that fits the definition of lucky.

Now, watch what happens in Seattle, because you know what is coming.

Ghost wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:22 pm

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:59 pm For Postmaster and Carcasdragger.

Quick piece of laundry: if I post anything that isn't common knowledge, hasn't been reported by someone, etc. it is coming from me. not the other site. If you hear otherwise you're being played. I won't post anything that was behind the paywall over there that didn't come from me.

Why Arizona Football, imv, Got Lucky with Fisch

I have to say up front that on account of his reputation, as it was conveyed to me, I was terribly anti-Fisch from the jump. Imo all of his Arizona Family, Gronk and Bruschi, Ricky and Chuck, wearing Tomey's slicker (RIP coach), "we had to fix the offense before we could get to the defense", etc. was just a part of the act and opportunistic BS, which doubled the irritation.

The backstory to that really good 1st recruiting class and the 10 win season goes something like this ...

Fisch's next 2 recruiting classes sucked. He didn't understand who the best QB was on his team twice season 1, and then again season 3, and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for season 2; which I am not sure is deserved. His play calling was eyebrow raising at times and he didn't know basic rules like when you have to go for 2 in OT.

Brown aside, his initial staff was a bunch of first timers, journeymen, former Arizona greats who no one else would hire, and dudes with little to no experience at their current positions. And, Brown bailed after the 1st season.

Early on in season 2 Arizona put an extension on his desk, which just about put me in the infirmary, and he refused to sign it for months. Because: he was always about the next job. And, was actively looking at that time. And, didn't want his buyout increased. He was very close to leaving Arizona for a NFL OC job after season 2, but then decided not to on account of "the money being lateral" and signed the extension.

Then, during season 3 you have the horribly uneven play behind JDL to start. Remember that Arizona was losing to Stanford when Dawkins .... err JDL ... got hurt, forcing the substitution of Tate ... err ... Fifita ... in to the lineup.

I believe if not for that injury Arizona likely loses the Stanford game and would have been lucky to have finished 500 or a game over 500.

At that point, you are stuck with Fisch's iffy coaching and terrible recruiting classes and you're going in to season 4 with JDL as the starter and Fisch as the head coach, because no one would have given him the time of day. Despite his vigor to get out of town. And you're looking at several more years of meh 500 ball at best.

And he is still going to bail on you the first chance he gets.

Instead, the QB he couldn't recognize, played like PFM, Arizona went on a roll, and Fisch, quite by accident, became a name. Then, add a green inexperienced maroon for an AD at Washington, getting spurned by his first 3 choices, Fisch's hyper aggressive agent, and despite Fisch assuring boosters like Humberto and power brokers like Kinerk that he was all in, including telling Robbins less that 36 hours before he signed with UW that he wasn't going anywhere, and his disingenuous comment to the press regarding why an extension wasn't signed ("we need to get the assistants taken care of"); he signs with UW and they do that hideous video of him signing the docs in Tucson after walking past an Arizona Football sign by his front door.

In sum, you have hope for 2024 behind a roster that needs some work but isn't abjectly terrible, a legit head football coach who isn't a charade (tho obviously we don't know what we have yet), and the 'mo of the miraculous 10-win 2023 season heading in to the Truckstop Conference.

And it only took 3 years. And we didn't have to suffer through 3 or more seasons of Fisch Meh Malaise. With a clown for a head coach who was going to bail at the first opportunity afforded.

And got $5 million from Washington.

I think that fits the definition of lucky.

Now, watch what happens in Seattle, because you know what is coming.

There were select people close to the program already saying this midway into last season. None of those select people were media. The media fell for everything that Fisch said and did. Real football people know that Jedd is a fraud.

Winger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:24 pm The media seem to never be able to tell you anything negative. Until everyone has turned on the coaching staff or they have been fired or left, at which point, it’s a feeding frenzy. As a person searching for the truth this has always been irritating to me. Especially when some of them are taking shots at me for telling folks how I think it is. My guess has been that this is the case because the media is beholden on the AD, coaching staffs, etc. for information, access, and the like.

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:57 pm Winger, any info you can share on the assistants that left. Specifically Dwayne Walker, Nansen and Akina. They must have seen through Fisch and I wonder how that would have played out if Fisch would have stayed

UAEebs86 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:20 pm

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 7:12 pm
Leopold, J. Smith, Campbell.

Did they really try to get Smith AFTER he had just signed with MSU?

Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:08 pm

Winger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:24 pm The media seem to never be able to tell you anything negative. Until everyone has turned on the coaching staff or they have been fired or left, at which point, it’s a feeding frenzy. As a person searching for the truth this has always been irritating to me. Especially when some of them are taking shots at me for telling folks how I think it is. My guess has been that this is the case because the media is beholden on the AD, coaching staffs, etc. for information, access, and the like.

It’s very hard to cover a team or an athletic program if you’re given no access to the players, coaches, and administrators. And no program is going to grant access to an outlet who describes a head coach in the midst of a very successful season as a slimy job climber who will punch a Girl Scout in the face if there’s a slightly bigger contract coming his way as a result.

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:57 pm Winger, any info you can share on the assistants that left. Specifically Dwayne Walker, Nansen and Akina. They must have seen through Fisch and I wonder how that would have played out if Fisch would have stayed

Winger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:24 pm

Ghost wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 4:22 pm

Winger wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 6:59 pm For Postmaster and Carcasdragger.

Quick piece of laundry: if I post anything that isn't common knowledge, hasn't been reported by someone, etc. it is coming from me. not the other site. If you hear otherwise you're being played. I won't post anything that was behind the paywall over there that didn't come from me.

Why Arizona Football, imv, Got Lucky with Fisch

I have to say up front that on account of his reputation, as it was conveyed to me, I was terribly anti-Fisch from the jump. Imo all of his Arizona Family, Gronk and Bruschi, Ricky and Chuck, wearing Tomey's slicker (RIP coach), "we had to fix the offense before we could get to the defense", etc. was just a part of the act and opportunistic BS, which doubled the irritation.

The backstory to that really good 1st recruiting class and the 10 win season goes something like this ...

Fisch's next 2 recruiting classes sucked. He didn't understand who the best QB was on his team twice season 1, and then again season 3, and I am giving him the benefit of the doubt for season 2; which I am not sure is deserved. His play calling was eyebrow raising at times and he didn't know basic rules like when you have to go for 2 in OT.

Brown aside, his initial staff was a bunch of first timers, journeymen, former Arizona greats who no one else would hire, and dudes with little to no experience at their current positions. And, Brown bailed after the 1st season.

Early on in season 2 Arizona put an extension on his desk, which just about put me in the infirmary, and he refused to sign it for months. Because: he was always about the next job. And, was actively looking at that time. And, didn't want his buyout increased. He was very close to leaving Arizona for a NFL OC job after season 2, but then decided not to on account of "the money being lateral" and signed the extension.

Then, during season 3 you have the horribly uneven play behind JDL to start. Remember that Arizona was losing to Stanford when Dawkins .... err JDL ... got hurt, forcing the substitution of Tate ... err ... Fifita ... in to the lineup.

I believe if not for that injury Arizona likely loses the Stanford game and would have been lucky to have finished 500 or a game over 500.

At that point, you are stuck with Fisch's iffy coaching and terrible recruiting classes and you're going in to season 4 with JDL as the starter and Fisch as the head coach, because no one would have given him the time of day. Despite his vigor to get out of town. And you're looking at several more years of meh 500 ball at best.

And he is still going to bail on you the first chance he gets.

Instead, the QB he couldn't recognize, played like PFM, Arizona went on a roll, and Fisch, quite by accident, became a name. Then, add a green inexperienced maroon for an AD at Washington, getting spurned by his first 3 choices, Fisch's hyper aggressive agent, and despite Fisch assuring boosters like Humberto and power brokers like Kinerk that he was all in, including telling Robbins less that 36 hours before he signed with UW that he wasn't going anywhere, and his disingenuous comment to the press regarding why an extension wasn't signed ("we need to get the assistants taken care of"); he signs with UW and they do that hideous video of him signing the docs in Tucson after walking past an Arizona Football sign by his front door.

In sum, you have hope for 2024 behind a roster that needs some work but isn't abjectly terrible, a legit head football coach who isn't a charade (tho obviously we don't know what we have yet), and the 'mo of the miraculous 10-win 2023 season heading in to the Truckstop Conference.

And it only took 3 years. And we didn't have to suffer through 3 or more seasons of Fisch Meh Malaise. With a clown for a head coach who was going to bail at the first opportunity afforded.

And got $5 million from Washington.

I think that fits the definition of lucky.

Now, watch what happens in Seattle, because you know what is coming.

There were select people close to the program already saying this midway into last season. None of those select people were media. The media fell for everything that Fisch said and did. Real football people know that Jedd is a fraud.

The media seem to never be able to tell you anything negative. Until everyone has turned on the coaching staff or they have been fired or left, at which point, it’s a feeding frenzy. As a person searching for the truth this has always been irritating to me. Especially when some of them are taking shots at me for telling folks how I think it is. My guess has been that this is the case because the media is beholden on the AD, coaching staffs, etc. for information, access, and the like.

Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:49 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:08 pm

Winger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:24 pm The media seem to never be able to tell you anything negative. Until everyone has turned on the coaching staff or they have been fired or left, at which point, it’s a feeding frenzy. As a person searching for the truth this has always been irritating to me. Especially when some of them are taking shots at me for telling folks how I think it is. My guess has been that this is the case because the media is beholden on the AD, coaching staffs, etc. for information, access, and the like.

It’s very hard to cover a team or an athletic program if you’re given no access to the players, coaches, and administrators. And no program is going to grant access to an outlet who describes a head coach in the midst of a very successful season as a slimy job climber who will punch a Girl Scout in the face if there’s a slightly bigger contract coming his way as a result.

The school guarantees media access. It’s not like it was in the past.

Chicat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:55 pm

Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:49 pm

Chicat wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 8:08 pm

Winger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:24 pm The media seem to never be able to tell you anything negative. Until everyone has turned on the coaching staff or they have been fired or left, at which point, it’s a feeding frenzy. As a person searching for the truth this has always been irritating to me. Especially when some of them are taking shots at me for telling folks how I think it is. My guess has been that this is the case because the media is beholden on the AD, coaching staffs, etc. for information, access, and the like.

It’s very hard to cover a team or an athletic program if you’re given no access to the players, coaches, and administrators. And no program is going to grant access to an outlet who describes a head coach in the midst of a very successful season as a slimy job climber who will punch a Girl Scout in the face if there’s a slightly bigger contract coming his way as a result.

The school guarantees media access. It’s not like it was in the past.

The access the school can grant (to press conferences, sidelines, and press boxes) is not the same as the access the AD and individual programs can grant (to recruiting info, injury concerns, behind-the-scenes, inside scoops) but please don’t let that affect your singleminded obsession with the Tucson media (like what you display on Xitter).

Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:51 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:57 pm Winger, any info you can share on the assistants that left. Specifically Dwayne Walker, Nansen and Akina. They must have seen through Fisch and I wonder how that would have played out if Fisch would have stayed

Walker hated Fisch. He quit because Fisch was telling him to lie to his position players. Nansen hated Fisch.

tgrumpy2 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:51 pm

Ghost wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 3:51 pm

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:57 pm Winger, any info you can share on the assistants that left. Specifically Dwayne Walker, Nansen and Akina. They must have seen through Fisch and I wonder how that would have played out if Fisch would have stayed

Walker hated Fisch. He quit because Fisch was telling him to lie to his position players. Nansen hated Fisch.

Did they say this specifically or was this something you just came up with after the fact.

azcat49 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:57 pm Winger, any info you can share on the assistants that left. Specifically Dwayne Walker, Nansen and Akina. They must have seen through Fisch and I wonder how that would have played out if Fisch would have stayed

Winger wrote: ↑Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:24 pm

The media seem to never be able to tell you anything negative. Until everyone has turned on the coaching staff or they have been fired or left, at which point, it’s a feeding frenzy. As a person searching for the truth this has always been irritating to me. Especially when some of them are taking shots at me for telling folks how I think it is. My guess has been that this is the case because the media is beholden on the AD, coaching staffs, etc. for information, access, and the like.