Bear Down Wildcats

Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:01 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:54 am
It would be funny to me if we fired a guy because he didn't make the Final Four in 17 years as a HC, then hired a guy who didn't make the Final Four in his first 17 years as an assistant. You can't sell me on Lloyd.

So what more must Lloyd do, in your eyes, to merit consideration for a job like AZ? Does he need to have success at a smaller program? I think by the time you wait for a guy like Lloyd to better distinguish himself, you've sorta missed the bus. Coaching is always a little of a crapshoot. Taking a risk on a young assistant at an elite program is not the worst idea in the world.

And the bigger picture, of course, is that the next hire could completely backfire. This is the perspective we need to keep in mind with Sean Miller. There was absolutely no guarantee that he could keep us at or near the level Lute took us, but he did. Miller could've gone five seasons with first-round losses and middling Pac finishes, and maybe he would've been gone sooner. But again, he was successful beyond any reasonable expectations. The chances of getting that lucky again, with the next coach, are not great. This is why so many, myself included, are upset today.

Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:12 pm Damon would basically be a Juwan Howard hire. And like Howard, Damon would recruit very well and energize the fan base. I can see a lot of upside; I just know that many here aren't convinced of his coaching ability. Again, coaching hires are always a crapshoot. You feel lucky?

ASUHATER! wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:25 pm We really don't need to be hiring someone who has never ran a program before. Arizona shouldn't be OJT

Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:12 pm Damon would basically be a Juwan Howard hire. And like Howard, Damon would recruit very well and energize the fan base. I can see a lot of upside; I just know that many here aren't convinced of his coaching ability. Again, coaching hires are always a crapshoot. You feel lucky?

Sean Miller went 302-109 (.735) during his tenure at Arizona, with seven NCAA Tournament appearances, including two Elite Eights. The Wildcats haven’t won an NCAA Tournament game since 2017.

Scott Drew: Drew, 50, is fresh off winning the NCAA title game and it probably wouldn’t hurt Arizona to kick the tires and see if they can lure him to the Pac-12 from the Big 12.

Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:01 pm

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:54 am
It would be funny to me if we fired a guy because he didn't make the Final Four in 17 years as a HC, then hired a guy who didn't make the Final Four in his first 17 years as an assistant. You can't sell me on Lloyd.

So what more must Lloyd do, in your eyes, to merit consideration for a job like AZ? Does he need to have success at a smaller program? I think by the time you wait for a guy like Lloyd to better distinguish himself, you've sorta missed the bus. Coaching is always a little of a crapshoot. Taking a risk on a young assistant at an elite program is not the worst idea in the world.

And the bigger picture, of course, is that the next hire could completely backfire. This is the perspective we need to keep in mind with Sean Miller. There was absolutely no guarantee that he could keep us at or near the level Lute took us, but he did. Miller could've gone five seasons with first-round losses and middling Pac finishes, and maybe he would've been gone sooner. But again, he was successful beyond any reasonable expectations. The chances of getting that lucky again, with the next coach, are not great. This is why so many, myself included, are upset today.

Olsondogg wrote: Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:46 pm Lloyd is the coach in waiting at Gonzaga. They were just in the Natty and he’s turned down offers before.

Just sayin.

dmjcat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:21 pm I think our chances of landing a top notch coach flew out the door in 2018 when we decided to ride the Miller horse.

It would take a miracle to get Musselman/Beard to move with the mess we are in (IARP hanging over our heads like a Sword of Damocles)

I am afraid we are going to have to settle for a promising 2nd tier coach at this point.

I already posted this in another thread but I think that Mark Pope of BYU should be given a long look. I have been impressed with his teams. They are extremely well coached on both sides of the ball.

Basketcats wrote: Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:01 pm This may sound stupid, but what if Robbins/Heeke are of the mindset that delaying the extension will force CSM to walk away from the UofA and by doing so make him look like the bad guy for everything that has transpired over the past few years.

TheCat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:30 pm You had no idea who Lloyd was two days ago. He brought some good overseas recruits to the Zags. I get it. Now do your homework and in one year who brought in the highest rated overseas players? I would take Sampson over the field on the quality of coach we could honestly hope to get right now. Some coaches are just better assistants and there is nothing wrong with that.

I truly believe it will be Lloyd because that is the kind of "out of the box thinking" that Robbins will use to prove his genius. It will also be a disaster.

Spaceman Spiff wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:47 pm He appears to have a fascination with being different.

splitsecond wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:48 am All this talk and not one person has said anything about the fact that maybe, just maybe, watching Mick Fucking Cronin get to a final four in YEAR TWO with UCLA might have a little something to do with this.

I hate Heeke, Robbins and the ABOR as much as anyone here, but the reality is Sean Miller has done nothing but underperform for several years now. 12 years, no Final Four. Middlin' Mick: 2 years, final four.

I don't like the way it all came about and it is completely par for the course for the idiots that run the university. I also have nothing but love for Miller. But we all need to get out of the sunk cost fallacy and admit that it was time. We were not getting to a final four with Miller.

And if Final Fours and championships are not the goal, what the fuck is the point?

MountainCat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:53 pm Any word from the Heeke’s Press Conference other than excuses?

UofAlum05 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm I have to think Pastner is salivating at this morning's news.

Chicat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

splitsecond wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:48 am All this talk and not one person has said anything about the fact that maybe, just maybe, watching Mick Fucking Cronin get to a final four in YEAR TWO with UCLA might have a little something to do with this.

I hate Heeke, Robbins and the ABOR as much as anyone here, but the reality is Sean Miller has done nothing but underperform for several years now. 12 years, no Final Four. Middlin' Mick: 2 years, final four.

I don't like the way it all came about and it is completely par for the course for the idiots that run the university. I also have nothing but love for Miller. But we all need to get out of the sunk cost fallacy and admit that it was time. We were not getting to a final four with Miller.

And if Final Fours and championships are not the goal, what the fuck is the point?

So the plan is to hire a new coach and in year two be an 11-seed in a play-in game and hope we are on the receiving end of some crapshoot tourney magic?

Ok...



The obsession with Final Fours is comical.

Robert A Booey wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:55 pm I hope I'm wrong, but this feels like when we fired Rich Rod and we are heading into the Sumlin abyss.

CatFanOneMil wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:54 am There goes Az basketball for the next 5-6 years at least...there is NO coach available that can recover this big a mistake in any foreseeable future.

Just gutted the entire team, players would be idiots to stay in this mess...

Robbins needs to be fired asap and Heeke with him. gutless dickless idiots.

ztonyg wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:47 pm The boosters need to throw their weight around and get Robbins out of the AD. He's single handedly destroying the department.

TheCat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:03 pm Does anyone know if the presser will be streamed?

AZCatGirl wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:01 pm

Well said Coach.

AZCatGirl wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:01 pm

Well said Coach.

TheCat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:33 am So what is obvious to me and what I posted earlier when this was rumored was that the only way the timing made sense was that it had to be a coach in the final four. My thoughts being Huston's current coach (Sampson) that knows the PAC. I now believe that it is Lloyd. It will happen quickly and turn out as well as Washington hiring their long time Syracuse assistant. Disaster all around.

midnightx wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:04 pm

CatFanOneMil wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:54 am There goes Az basketball for the next 5-6 years at least...there is NO coach available that can recover this big a mistake in any foreseeable future.

Just gutted the entire team, players would be idiots to stay in this mess...

Robbins needs to be fired asap and Heeke with him. gutless dickless idiots.

The program had already entered mediocrity, where it will likely remain until someone can revive it. It was questionable if Miller could truly right the course. Some fans were asserting things were going to be as good as ever, that it was a simple change in recruiting philosophy, and perhaps that is true to some degree (with respect to recruiting), but the program and Miller’s rep were tarnished and a number of fans and supporters were not convinced this was going to get better. Time will tell if this was the right move.

Beachcat97 wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:43 am This is wrong in so many ways. AZ hoops will recover, however long it takes. It's wrong because Sean Miller deserved better than this.

TheCat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:39 pm

dmjcat wrote: Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:21 pm I think our chances of landing a top notch coach flew out the door in 2018 when we decided to ride the Miller horse.

It would take a miracle to get Musselman/Beard to move with the mess we are in (IARP hanging over our heads like a Sword of Damocles)

I am afraid we are going to have to settle for a promising 2nd tier coach at this point.

I already posted this in another thread but I think that Mark Pope of BYU should be given a long look. I have been impressed with his teams. They are extremely well coached on both sides of the ball.

You are so stupid. Do you know where Beard coaches. FN idiot. Musselman to me is a glad hander that moves whenever the results are not quite what was expected. He exceeded expectations this year so I don't see him moving soon. He would be a comparable move and he knows how to work the portal I just don't like him or his attitude.