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Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:48 pm
by Postmaster
UAEebs86 wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:38 pm I think I like this new Tommy better than Aw Shucks Tommy.

Let's hope he has the same energy in recruiting going forward as well.
Some people get a bit more pissy when they become grandparents.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:56 am
by Merkin
"We're closing the gap". Now where have I heard that before?

Not sure why he was complaining about Sampson targeting ADO, TT and CB. That's just good basketball.

Nothing about the players being gassed the last 5 minutes though. And 3 air balls in this time.

The UA led 62-61 with 5:23 left—after being down 10 six minutes earlier—but didn’t make a field goal the rest of the way, missing its final five shots and turning it over three times down the stretch including on consecutive possessions when down two and four points in the last 1:09 as Houston (30-4) locked down on defense.

5:32 Tobe Awaka made Layup. 62 61
5:28 Houston Timeout 62 61
5:28 Emanuel Sharp subbing out for Houston 62 61
5:28 Joseph Tugler subbing in for Houston 62 61
5:09 Milos Uzan made Three Point Jumper. 62 64
4:36 Jaden Bradley missed Three Point Jumper. 62 64
4:33 Tobe Awaka Offensive Rebound. 62 64
4:33 Arizona Turnover. 62 64
4:10 L.J. Cryer missed Jumper. 62 64
4:07 Mylik Wilson Offensive Rebound. 62 64
3:53 Milos Uzan made Jumper. 62 66
3:26 KJ Lewis missed Three Point Jumper. 62 66
3:24 Mylik Wilson Defensive Rebound. 62 66
2:54 Mylik Wilson missed Three Point Jumper. 62 66
2:52 Joseph Tugler Offensive Rebound. 62 66
2:33 Foul on Joseph Tugler. 62 66
2:33 Joseph Tugler Turnover. 62 66
2:33 Official TV Timeout 62 66
2:33 Joseph Tugler subbing out for Houston 62 66
2:33 Emanuel Sharp subbing in for Houston 62 66
2:14 Caleb Love missed Three Point Jumper. 62 66
2:10 Milos Uzan Defensive Rebound. 62 66
1:44 Milos Uzan missed Jumper. 62 66
1:41 Mylik Wilson Offensive Rebound. 62 66
1:40 Mylik Wilson Turnover. 62 66
1:40 KJ Lewis Steal. 62 66
1:37 Foul on Milos Uzan. 62 66
1:37 Caleb Love made Free Throw. 63 66
1:37 Caleb Love made Free Throw. 64 66
1:17 Emanuel Sharp missed Three Point Jumper. 64 66
1:15 Caleb Love Defensive Rebound. 64 66
1:09 Caleb Love Turnover. 64 66
0:43 Ja'Vier Francis made Dunk. 64 68
0:42 Arizona Timeout 64 68
0:32 Jaden Bradley Turnover. 64 68
0:31 Tobe Awaka subbing out for Arizona 64 68
0:31 Carter Bryant subbing in for Arizona 64 68
0:31 Foul on KJ Lewis. 64 68
0:22 Houston Timeout 64 68
0:17 Foul on KJ Lewis. 64 68
0:17 Emanuel Sharp made Free Throw. 64 69
0:17 Emanuel Sharp made Free Throw. 64 70
0:10 Caleb Love missed Three Point Jumper. 64 70
0:09 Houston Defensive Rebound. 64 70
0:05 Foul on Henri Veesaar. 64 70
0:05 L.J. Cryer made Free Throw. 64 71
0:05 L.J. Cryer made Free Throw. 64 72
0:00 Jaden Bradley missed Three Point Jumper. 64 72
0:00 Mylik Wilson Defensive Rebound. 64 72




Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:30 am
by Alieberman
Merkin wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:56 am "We're closing the gap". Now where have I heard that before?

Not sure why he was complaining about Sampson targeting ADO, TT and CB. That's just good basketball.
He wasn't complaining about Houston / Sampson targeting certain players- he was complaining about our players not being up to the challenge of being targeted

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:49 am
by Merkin
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:30 am
Merkin wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:56 am "We're closing the gap". Now where have I heard that before?

Not sure why he was complaining about Sampson targeting ADO, TT and CB. That's just good basketball.
He wasn't complaining about Houston / Sampson targeting certain players- he was complaining about our players not being up to the challenge of being targeted

That makes sense, but ADO can't will himself some lateral quickness, or Townsend increase his basketball IQ. Only one that can and will get better is Bryant. Quit falling for shot fakes for one.

Seems to me that is a lot on Lloyd having them out there with no help. Maybe work on a zone in the off season.

Reminds of his odd comment he made a couple weeks ago when asked if the players were tired. He said something like they need to go deeper and get more strength.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:31 am
by EastCoastCat
Merkin wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:49 am
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:30 am
Merkin wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:56 am "We're closing the gap". Now where have I heard that before?

Not sure why he was complaining about Sampson targeting ADO, TT and CB. That's just good basketball.
He wasn't complaining about Houston / Sampson targeting certain players- he was complaining about our players not being up to the challenge of being targeted

That makes sense, but ADO can't will himself some lateral quickness, or Townsend increase his basketball IQ. Only one that can and will get better is Bryant. Quit falling for shot fakes for one.

Seems to me that is a lot on Lloyd having them out there with no help. Maybe work on a zone in the off season.

Reminds of his odd comment he made a couple weeks ago when asked if the players were tired. He said something like they need to go deeper and get more strength.
He mentioned he could have played zone, but he said it in a disparaging/defeatist sort of way. In his mind, his players needed to step up to the challenge.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:45 am
by azcat49
This goes back to the argument of why we signed ADO and TT. Some will say it’s all we could afford and others will say we were targeting role players and they don’t cost as much along with its basketball and it’s relatively cheap.

Right from the tip everyone knew this was not a gaME for ADO. TT cake in and promptly lost his man in transition and gave up three each time and was immediately pulled and only got back in when CB took a nutt shot.

He should only be mad at himself for the poor eval’s of these guys. It will be interesting if he parts ways with ADO

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 1:02 pm
by Merkin
azcat49 wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:45 am It will be interesting if he parts ways with ADO
With the new rules regarding roster limits, I would certainly hold onto him. You can have 16 players next season, and all of them can be scholarship players. No more walk-ons, although junior Lloyd can probably remain on as one of the 16. No need to RhettRod him, being the UA pays his dad millions, he gets tuition discounts, and in-state residency.


I also doubt ADO would ever go. Go back to taking buses to games?

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:04 pm
by Postmaster
The coaches need to figure out how to get ADO open shots.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:22 pm
by pc in NM
Postmaster wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:04 pm The coaches need to figure out how to get ADO open shots.
Hint: don't play Houston or ISU...

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 4:59 pm
by MrKyle
Postmaster wrote: Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:04 pm The coaches need to figure out how to get ADO open shots.
I think the bigger issue is that he can't stay in the game for long enough stretches to get continual good looks. He gets singled out on defense by the other teams and turns into a liability.

If he could play passable defense then I think it would open up his offensive game opportunities.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:04 pm
by EastCoastCat
The thought of trying to figure out how to get ADO “open looks” is never going to happen now that you are playing good teams who know he’s our best 3 point shooter.

And because he really can’t create his own shots since defenses and his well documented defensive liabilities means he will not be seeing more than 12-15 minutes in this Tournament.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 5:16 pm
by UAEebs86
I will never understand why CTL thinks our two weakest rotation players should be in against the other teams best players at the moments they are most rested.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:13 pm
by TheCat
EastCoastCat wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 9:05 pm Man, CTL was pissed at the presser. Houston running ISO’s in the second half and our guys not “man-ing up” and getting stops irritated him to no end.
Did you watch Kelvin Sampson's presser. He said the same thing. They would iso on 3 guys when they were in and run right at them. Said V is an absolute beast the way he plays. Said Tobe was also someone they had problems with.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2025 6:16 pm
by TheCat
pc in NM wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:37 pm
TheCat wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 5:00 pm This is the first year but I think Arizona fans will start to show up wherever they play. Would like a rotation though simply because I hate Kansas.
T-Mobile is in Missouri...
The team not the state.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 12:49 pm
by AZCatGirl

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:16 pm
by azcat49
Just win tomorrow CTL

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 3:04 pm
by TheCat
AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 12:49 pm
Time to fire his ass. Arizona is second in nothing.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 3:31 pm
by Merkin
Remember when Shaka was on everyone's short list? But like with Tommy, Shaka wasn't hurting for players when he took over VCU from Grant.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:05 pm
by AZCatGirl

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:38 pm
by Merkin
AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:05 pm
Larry Smith/Jedd Fisch says: "Wassup!".

But unlike Fisch, I truly believe Lloyd. Did Fisch ever stay at one spot more than 2-3 years? Tommy was at Gonzaga for 20 years.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2025 8:09 pm
by Postmaster
Merkin wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:38 pm
AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Mar 22, 2025 4:05 pm
Larry Smith/Jedd Fisch says: "Wassup!".

But unlike Fisch, I truly believe Lloyd. Did Fisch ever stay at one spot more than 2-3 years? Tommy was at Gonzaga for 20 years.
I was about to post the same 2 names.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:50 am
by ZagCatFan
You got this CTL

MAKE IT HAPPEN

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:20 am
by Alieberman
ZagCatFan wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:50 am You got this CTL

MAKE IT HAPPEN
Zags gave Houston 1 hell of a game. Mark Few is certainly appreciated and respected but somehow I feel he is still underrated

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 11:56 am
by EastCoastCat
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:20 am
ZagCatFan wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:50 am You got this CTL

MAKE IT HAPPEN
Zags gave Houston 1 hell of a game. Mark Few is certainly appreciated and respected but somehow I feel he is still underrated
Not by his peers. Post game Sampson gave him major props that is obviously well deserved.

9 straight Sweet Sixteen’s is amazing.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:36 pm
by ZagCatFan
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:20 am
ZagCatFan wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:50 am You got this CTL

MAKE IT HAPPEN
Zags gave Houston 1 hell of a game. Mark Few is certainly appreciated and respected but somehow I feel he is still underrated
Yeah it was a battle….i’m sure CTL helped in scout. Few is low profile and shy one of the reasons he never left Spokane.

Players love him and coaches respect him….assisting Olympic team was a big acknowledgment imo.

CTL is a natural in media spot light as you all know. Zags did HBO series 10 years ago March to madness and some great locker room speeches by CTL…..he really was strong assistant and yet low media profile even locally….great look behind the curtain.

https://variety.com/2016/tv/news/gonzag ... 201678248/

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:07 pm
by Winger
Ok if you’re still ok with Lloyd starting ADO and Townsend I am sorry but you are a fing idiot.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:17 pm
by UAEebs86
Winger wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:07 pm Ok if you’re still ok with Lloyd starting ADO and Townsend I am sorry but you are a fing idiot.
It's so dumb.

And if CTL wants to advance they better play about a combined 4 minutes in the 2nd half.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:40 pm
by dovecanyoncat
ADO must be ignoring social media these days. Must be brutal.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:50 pm
by Alieberman
Winger wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:07 pm Ok if you’re still ok with Lloyd starting ADO and Townsend I am sorry but you are a fing idiot.
I’m ok with trusting Lloyd… the guy with I think the 2nd most wins ever in his 1st 4 years coaching

Does that make me a fucking idiot?

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:52 pm
by Chicat
I’m fine with starting ADO if Lewis still insists on coming off the bench.

But Townsend should get in to games after Conrad Martinez.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:56 pm
by AZCatGirl
Chicat wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 7:52 pm I’m fine with starting ADO if Lewis still insists on coming off the bench.

But Townsend should get in to games after Conrad Martinez.
Yeah this is where I am too.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:09 pm
by Alieberman
If you are going to shit on every mistake Delly makes be man enough to praise him when he kicks ass!

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:25 pm
by dovecanyoncat
No turnovers and no fouls tonight make me happy for him.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:19 pm
by Alieberman
Ado was clutch at the beginning of the 2nd half and clutch at the end…

Can we please stop shitting on our players/ coaches now?

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:21 pm
by Chicat
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:19 pm Ado was clutch at the beginning of the 2nd half and clutch at the end…

Can we please stop shitting on our players/ coaches now?
How did our fifth starter do?

:lol:

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:24 pm
by dovecanyoncat
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:19 pm Ado was clutch at the beginning of the 2nd half and clutch at the end…

Can we please stop shitting on our players/ coaches now?
He can shoot FTs for me anytime.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:27 pm
by EastCoastCat
How ironic that ADO hits 4 free throws to seal the game.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:49 pm
by 84Cat
EastCoastCat wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:27 pm How ironic that ADO hits 4 free throws to seal the game.
There's a reason Tommy had him in late. He's our best ft shooter at 89% for the year

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:55 pm
by JMarkJohns
Everyone has a valued role from time to time. The problem is too often Arizona has to depend on those role players beyond their roles or for extended roles because they lack depth or versatility of options.

But tonight was a great “different” style of coaching. That early gut punch hit me hard. I can’t do Drunk JMJ any longer, but I was not feeling great. But Lloyd is good at staying even, balanced, and making subtle adjustments and he quickly manipulated dynamics to favor Arizona.

I do wish Arizona would quick shrinking late. So many 6-7-8-9 point games become one possession games or worse, but this was a potential “take some punches and not back down” game needed before Duke, who is simply better than us at nearly every position. But if Love is hot and Flagg is worn down, maybe.

Lloyd earned his money tonight. So did ADO.

Roster is still a mess. All this can be true.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:58 pm
by Djcat
ADO had some fireworks on O in the 2nd half and very calmly shot 4 much needed FTs. Kudos to him. But his D is still a huge liability. Commenters were saying Ducks were hunting him in the 2nd half. Not saying he’s not an important contributor but he shouldn’t be starting. Should be coming in the spot Love or KJ.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 10:15 pm
by Bangkok Wildcat
Am I the only one who thought CTL’s keep Awaka on the bench until the last 45 seconds and just watch Bittle make Henri look silly trying to guard him almost lost us the game? Anyone have insight as to why the heck he did that?

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 10:42 pm
by Postmaster
I remember Donell Harris having a game, maybe Providence, where he made some clutch free throws at the end. It think AJ had fouled out.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 11:03 pm
by JMarkJohns
Bangkok Wildcat wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 10:15 pm Am I the only one who thought CTL’s keep Awaka on the bench until the last 45 seconds and just watch Bittle make Henri look silly trying to guard him almost lost us the game? Anyone have insight as to why the heck he did that?
There is some discussion Awaka maybe wasn’t 100%. We shall see.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2025 11:42 pm
by TucsonClip
Bangkok Wildcat wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 10:15 pm Am I the only one who thought CTL’s keep Awaka on the bench until the last 45 seconds and just watch Bittle make Henri look silly trying to guard him almost lost us the game? Anyone have insight as to why the heck he did that?
My thought was we wanted the flexibility on offense with Henri. If Oregon were to send 2 to the ball, Henri is the outlet and keeps the floor spread for Love. Love was cooking, and Henri was in many of those actions

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:24 am
by pc in NM
Djcat wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 9:58 pm ADO had some fireworks on O in the 2nd half and very calmly shot 4 much needed FTs. Kudos to him. But his D is still a huge liability. Commenters were saying Ducks were hunting him in the 2nd half. Not saying he’s not an important contributor but he shouldn’t be starting. Should be coming in the spot Love or KJ.
Enough of the ADO shade, please!!

He's without a doubt, the weakest defender on the team. He's the eigth man in an eight-man rotation (minutes).

So, opposing teams "target him" What the fuck else would ANY coach do - "target the weakest defender"??

And, he did get smoked once by Shelstad - a guy no one else would fail to shut down!! Oh wait - Shelstad got 245 points, and burned several cats just as badly!!!

CTL: "“Delly hit a big three, had a nice little shake. Was that a dunk on that baseline drive or not? Are we going to give you a dunk on that one? Pretty close. Okay. But those free throws were huge. You step into a game where you haven’t been playing much down the stretch and then do that.”

FACT: ADO played 18 minutes last night (sixth most), and was a significant contributor to the victory!!!

All I expect from ADO is that he gives his best effort when he's in the game, that he's a good teammate and represents the U of A well. He does that all. And NO FAN can expect more from a player than that!!!

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:35 am
by TheCat
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:09 pm If you are going to shit on every mistake Delly makes be man enough to praise him when he kicks ass!
That ain't ever happening.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:46 am
by TheCat
I find it ironic that everyone comments on Delly's defense but no one talks about CB defense. CB is a ELITE shot blocker but his defense is not on par with his offense. He did not play well last night and his two goaltends were a gift to Oregon. I think his shot is one of the best I've seen at Arizona for awhile but I also think he needs to play a little better defense. Of course he is a freshman and the word defense is probably not in his vocabulary.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:50 am
by pc in NM
TheCat wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 7:35 am
Alieberman wrote: Sun Mar 23, 2025 8:09 pm If you are going to shit on every mistake Delly makes be man enough to praise him when he kicks ass!
That ain't ever happening.
That says so much more about you than it does about ADO...

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:16 am
by Chicat
If we harnessed all the energy folks spend thinking about and complaining about what other fans think and say, we could power Tucson for a week.

Re: Tommy Lloyd

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:34 am
by pc in NM
Chicat wrote: Mon Mar 24, 2025 8:16 am If we harnessed all the energy folks spend thinking about and complaining about what other fans think and say, we could power Tucson for a week.
Good point!! We should all follow your example!! :roll: