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Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:19 pm
by CalStateTempe
I still don't undersntd why chase would leave. He has star standout all over him with a weak draft class if he comes back.

Right now at best he's destined for Europe.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:24 pm
by Alieberman
Can anyone really be that surprised that one would make a seemingly risky move if his name was Chance?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:32 pm
by zonagrad
Alieberman wrote:Can anyone really be that surprised that one would make a seemingly risky move if his name was Chance?
That was good.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:33 pm
by gumby
Big picture: A lot of players are using the opportunity. The list is really long. Aaron Holiday and Thomas Welch just added to it. Most are not hiring agents.

Doesn't mean they're not coming back. A lot of conclusion jumping going on. This isn't just a UofA thing.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:35 pm
by gumby
Alieberman wrote:Can anyone really be that surprised that one would make a seemingly risky move if his name was Chance?
My Chief concern is ...

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:39 pm
by Longhorned
gumby wrote:Big picture: A lot of players are using the opportunity. The list is really long. Aaron Holiday and Thomas Welch just added to it. Most are not hiring agents.

Doesn't mean they're not coming back. A lot of conclusion jumping going on.
Maybe they know something we don't and they're not telling us because that would be no fun for them.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:45 pm
by gumby
"They" being?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:49 pm
by Merkin
Hopefully both Kobi and Chance left in good academic standing, as to not hurt the team APR. Don't know what the latest rules are, but from what I have read Kobi stopped going to class for some time.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:54 pm
by NYCat
According to his Snapchat, Chance is still in LA today.

Hmm

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:58 pm
by PHXCATS
If Chance isn't going to class he should not get any privileges when he returns.

Really hope Miller Book and Romar can bring in smarter players who will stick around and completely buy into Arizona Basketball

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:54 pm
by CalStateTempe
PHXCATS wrote:If Chance isn't going to class he should not get any privileges when he returns.

Really hope Miller Book and Romar can bring in smarter players who will stick around and completely buy into Arizona Basketball
We don't get those players. They go to UNC Duke mich st and Kansas.

We get the 5* with some dings on the record who look at Arizona as a pit stop.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:06 pm
by Jefe
whatisee wrote:Dusan is a white mans Eugene Edgerson without the afro and beating anyone up.
Worst comparison ever. 2 completely different games.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:31 pm
by cpt
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:49 pm
by ChooChooCat
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:00 pm
by azcat49
Jefe wrote:
whatisee wrote:Dusan is a white mans Eugene Edgerson without the afro and beating anyone up.
Worst comparison ever. 2 completely different games.
Agreed. Sean Rooks maybe but in no way is he EE and Rooks was in the NBA for 10 years plus with his offensive moves and being a plus in the locker room

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:25 pm
by gumby
Jefe wrote:
whatisee wrote:Dusan is a white mans Eugene Edgerson without the afro and beating anyone up.
Worst comparison ever. 2 completely different games.
Yeah. That was weird. Gene was an undersized EnerGizer Bunny with zero post moves.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:26 pm
by gumby
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Justin Jackson demonstrated why he isn't. NBA filled with guys longer and quicker than Brooks at that position.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:40 pm
by TucsonClip
ChooChooCat wrote:
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.
Not a fan at all. Hes a situational scorer who is going to have to play SF. Hes not athletic enough to make more of an impact at that position, nor is he long or strong enough to play PF. Not a big fan of his at the next level. Situational role player at best, IMO.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:54 pm
by Longhorned
gumby wrote:"They" being?
Just a general, resentful, self-defeating "they."

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:35 pm
by McKale Midwest
Tyler Dorsey just declared for the draft and will sign an agent. That's got to be a good thing for Arizona, just another wing that would go ahead of Trier in the draft... Plus we don't have to watch him light it up another year, and think "what could have been".

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:43 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
TucsonClip wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.
Not a fan at all. Hes a situational scorer who is going to have to play SF. Hes not athletic enough to make more of an impact at that position, nor is he long or strong enough to play PF. Not a big fan of his at the next level. Situational role player at best, IMO.
This. Brooks is good in college, but NBA wise, he has to play the 3. At that position, not much stands out.

I remember people saying Rondae would have shut him down. In the NBA, there are a lot of Rondae's.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:53 pm
by Longhorned
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
TucsonClip wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
cpt wrote:
Merkin wrote:New DX list out.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/" target="_blank

Lauri still 7.

Kobi at 52.

No other Cats listed.
This is why I'm not an NBA Scout: I would figure Dillon Brooks to be a top 10 pick for sure.
Tweeners without major athleticism never are projected to be a high pick.
Not a fan at all. Hes a situational scorer who is going to have to play SF. Hes not athletic enough to make more of an impact at that position, nor is he long or strong enough to play PF. Not a big fan of his at the next level. Situational role player at best, IMO.
This. Brooks is good in college, but NBA wise, he has to play the 3. At that position, not much stands out.

I remember people saying Rondae would have shut him down. In the NBA, there are a lot of Rondae's.
What about the part where you can do anything you put your mind to if you work hard enough and never stop believing in yourself?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:29 am
by gumby
Longhorned wrote:
gumby wrote:"They" being?
Just a general, resentful, self-defeating "they."
Love "them."

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:31 am
by gumby
McKale Midwest wrote:Tyler Dorsey just declared for the draft and will sign an agent. That's got to be a good thing for Arizona, just another wing that would go ahead of Trier in the draft... Plus we don't have to watch him light it up another year, and think "what could have been".
Or what could've been if our wings went to Oregon rather than play for a coach who is anti-offense and anti-zone.

Signed,

R&F

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:35 pm
by az91
PHXCATS wrote:If Chance isn't going to class he should not get any privileges when he returns.

Really hope Miller Book and Romar can bring in smarter players who will stick around and completely buy into Arizona Basketball
If Chance isn't going to class, it is unlikely that he returns. Even if he did return, would he be eligible without attending class for weeks if not months?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:42 pm
by Merkin
Lauri left today for Finland after finishing classes.

If Chance and Kobi couldn't do that, the heck with them.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:47 pm
by McKale Midwest
Tony Romo is about to get more minutes in the NBA than CC and Kobi. LOL

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:54 pm
by NYCat
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Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:11 pm
by McKale Midwest
NYCat wrote:Image
I think playing in front of the nations best fans in a packed house in McKale would be what I would miss the most... But what do I know?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:18 pm
by Merkin
Well, I miss AZ gas prices too! And warm summer nights.


Need a Pastner out there chasing rebounds for Alkins.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:23 am
by McKale Midwest
I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:32 am
by ChooChooCat
McKale Midwest wrote:I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?
It's always been expected he will declare without an agent and go through the process, ditto with Rawle of course. They'd both be stupid not to do so as there's no repercussions at all to declaring without an agent. Have always been told if Trier does not get a 1st round promise then the expectation is that he will return. I'm not sure what it would take for Rawle to stay in the draft, but the final expectations are the same as Zo. Anything could happen though.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:47 am
by Spaceman Spiff
ChooChooCat wrote:
McKale Midwest wrote:I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?
It's always been expected he will declare without an agent and go through the process, ditto with Rawle of course. They'd both be stupid not to do so as there's no repercussions at all to declaring without an agent. Have always been told if Trier does not get a 1st round promise then the expectation is that he will return. I'm not sure what it would take for Rawle to stay in the draft, but the final expectations are the same as Zo. Anything could happen though.
The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:31 am
by NYCat
Spaceman Spiff wrote: The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:44 am
by ChooChooCat
Spaceman Spiff wrote:
ChooChooCat wrote:
McKale Midwest wrote:I've heard that Trier is likely to announce his decision this week, and is leaning towards declaring for the draft. Has anybody heard similar news?
It's always been expected he will declare without an agent and go through the process, ditto with Rawle of course. They'd both be stupid not to do so as there's no repercussions at all to declaring without an agent. Have always been told if Trier does not get a 1st round promise then the expectation is that he will return. I'm not sure what it would take for Rawle to stay in the draft, but the final expectations are the same as Zo. Anything could happen though.
The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.
That's an old rule, you can go through the process as many times as you want now.

Also refer to NYCAT's post, I'm so bad at reading a whole thread before replying. :lol:

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:18 am
by Spaceman Spiff
NYCat wrote:
Spaceman Spiff wrote: The only caveat I would put on that is you can only go through the process once. If I were Rawle or Trier and thought I'm a second rounder right now and borderline first next year, I'd try to save the eval to get that first round promise next year if I thought it was unlikely this year.

Of course, I am not Rawle/Trier.
My bad, was obviously thinking of the old rule. As I stand corrected, I agree there's no downside to testing the waters.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:35 am
by Longhorned
Arguably, there is a downside in getting exposed, as in Jason Gardner. Still, I don't think even that matters, since your limitations are your limitations.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:44 am
by PHXCATS
I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:59 am
by NYCat

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:02 am
by 84Cat
Damn, why would anyone want to coach college ball anymore? How do you know who is actually coming back? This needs to change for the good of the game.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:10 am
by NYCat
If Rawle/Trier declare w/o agents does Bowen commit or do they have to announce they're staying in the draft?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:10 am
by ChooChooCat
NYCat wrote:If Rawle/Trier declare w/o agents does Bowen commit or do they have to announce they're staying in the draft?
*shrugs*

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:12 am
by Chicat
PHXCATS wrote:I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.
Who has been a huge disappointment off the court? No one is getting in trouble with the school or the law. So I'm curious as to what you're referring to.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:15 am
by gumby
Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.
Who has been a huge disappointment off the court? No one is getting in trouble with the school or the law. So I'm curious as to what you're referring to.
Attending classes, I think.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:18 am
by Spaceman Spiff
I can deal with that. Also, a pretty classy statement by Rawle.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:19 am
by gumby
84Cat wrote:Damn, why would anyone want to coach college ball anymore? How do you know who is actually coming back? This needs to change for the good of the game.
Coaches know in early May. It does cause confusion on who to pursue in the meantime, but it clarifies soon.

Since it seems like a sensible thing to do (why not get assessed?), I wonder why the decision itself requires a formal announcement with rhetorical flourishes. Just go do it.

If you actually do leave, then announce.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:20 am
by McKale Midwest
Good lord. What a blow to the gut. Rawle is one my favorite Wildcats in recent years. I'm really hoping he comes back for another year, as I think he is going tk make a huge jump from freshman- sophomore.

With that being said. I haven't seen him in any mock drafts. Is that because he was presumed to be staying, or is he not actually predicted to be drafted?

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:24 am
by gumby
The list of guys declaring is much longer than the number of available spots. I do believe this is the new normal. But the announcements themselves do leave the impression that they are gone.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:25 am
by Beachcat97
Who is a better prospect for this year's draft, RA or AT?

Can't believe we could lose both.

Re: Who's staying? Who's going?

Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:26 am
by PHXCATS
Chicat wrote:
PHXCATS wrote:I get that everyone has their own thing and there are family issues and pressures etc. But some of these guys have been huge disappointments off the court and it is frustrating to see.
Who has been a huge disappointment off the court? No one is getting in trouble with the school or the law. So I'm curious as to what you're referring to.
Chance and Kobi with class