Bear Down Wildcats

AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Disappointing, but I'm not entirely surprised. That's a lot of money to ask from boosters.

The story is she has the money to fire him if she wants to.

With no T-Mac, and no Loop, a smaller than average QB, and no impact players coming in, 4 wins will be the max.

azgreg wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:12 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Disappointing, but I'm not entirely surprised. That's a lot of money to ask from boosters.

The story is she has the money to fire him if she wants to.

Then I'm confused as to why she would want to bring him back. It's not like she hired him.

Just hope she's aware of how empty Arizona Stadium will be next year.

AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Disappointing, but I'm not entirely surprised. That's a lot of money to ask from boosters.

She better be asking them to pony up that much in NIL and incentives for a real OC to come in and fix this bullshit.

PHXCATS wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Good

100% the right call unless you have an absolute no doubt home run hire waiting and it is 100% he will accept and will 100% succeed

Ah yes. Don’t ever fire the person you have unless you can 100% guarantee the next guy will 100% succeed. Well sorry boys, it’s looks like we’re stuck with Brennan forever.

AZarchery wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 8:50 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Good

100% the right call unless you have an absolute no doubt home run hire waiting and it is 100% he will accept and will 100% succeed

Ah yes. Don’t ever fire the person you have unless you can 100% guarantee the next guy will 100% succeed. Well sorry boys, it’s looks like we’re stuck with Brennan forever.

It has been less than a year

It’s been a really shitty less than a year.

Partly from Lev's comments and tone, I don't get the impression Brennan will be fired. The team has often looked like disorganized shit, which supersedes injuries, and he just wanders around the sidelines with a blank look on his face and no apparent sense of urgency. Despite some personnel losses, he still inherited some impressive talent which should have been better utilized. And he was hired by the previous regime on their way out the door. But the profligate spending money cloud DRF inherited still hangs overhead, it's a bad look to fire someone after one season, and there have been a ridiculous number of injuries that can be used for an excuse. His smiley Mr. Rogers nice guy persona also benefits him in a situation like this, as his innocuous personality hasn't rubbed anyone the wrong way. So, I'm afraid we're going to at least throw away another year, and the previously mentioned 4 wins sounds about right. We might even go the Sumlin route and do the entire obligatory three years, so we go all the way back to zero again and somebody essentially will have to start a brand new football program.

I have little confidence in DRF to handle this in the right way now or in the future with a coach of hers. Just something about her seems off. Maybe it’s forcing her son on the basketball team

PHXCATS wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Good

100% the right call unless you have an absolute no doubt home run hire waiting and it is 100% he will accept and will 100% succeed

That's such a dumb way to look at it. The best hire Arizona has made in football in the modern era was ridiculously far from a no doubt home run hire. As a matter of fact it was the most scrutinized hire in the history of Arizona Football, but sure let's just go with an arbitrary title such as "no doubt home run hire" as ways to guide how we run the athletic department.

ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:27 am

PHXCATS wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Good

100% the right call unless you have an absolute no doubt home run hire waiting and it is 100% he will accept and will 100% succeed

That's such a dumb way to look at it. The best hire Arizona has made in football in the modern era was ridiculously far from a no doubt home run hire. As a matter of fact it was the most scrutinized hire in the history of Arizona Football, but sure let's just go with an arbitrary title such as "no doubt home run hire" as ways to guide how we run the athletic department.

It has been less than a year

If he doesn't make massive improvement after next year okay

The criteria for firing less than a year in is different than firing after 3 or 4 years

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:58 am I have little confidence in DRF to handle this in the right way now or in the future with a coach of hers. Just something about her seems off. Maybe it’s forcing her son on the basketball team

I actually like DRF a lot

PHXCATS wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:47 am

ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:27 am

PHXCATS wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Good

100% the right call unless you have an absolute no doubt home run hire waiting and it is 100% he will accept and will 100% succeed

That's such a dumb way to look at it. The best hire Arizona has made in football in the modern era was ridiculously far from a no doubt home run hire. As a matter of fact it was the most scrutinized hire in the history of Arizona Football, but sure let's just go with an arbitrary title such as "no doubt home run hire" as ways to guide how we run the athletic department.

It has been less than a year

If he doesn't make massive improvement after next year okay

The criteria for firing less than a year in is different than firing after 3 or 4 years

Yeah it has been less than a year and he tanked a team with numerous draft picks. It's certainly only going to get better from here when he's bringing in recruiting classes ranked *checks notes* 45th and falling.

How could he possibly make a "massive improvement" next year without these draft picks currently on his roster? That's certainly a take.

ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:19 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:47 am

ChooChooCat wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:27 am

PHXCATS wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Good

100% the right call unless you have an absolute no doubt home run hire waiting and it is 100% he will accept and will 100% succeed

That's such a dumb way to look at it. The best hire Arizona has made in football in the modern era was ridiculously far from a no doubt home run hire. As a matter of fact it was the most scrutinized hire in the history of Arizona Football, but sure let's just go with an arbitrary title such as "no doubt home run hire" as ways to guide how we run the athletic department.

It has been less than a year

If he doesn't make massive improvement after next year okay

The criteria for firing less than a year in is different than firing after 3 or 4 years

Yeah it has been less than a year and he tanked a team with numerous draft picks. It's certainly only going to get better from here when he's bringing in recruiting classes ranked *checks notes* 45th and falling.

How could he possibly make a "massive improvement" next year without these draft picks currently on his roster? That's certainly a take.

Dude, Brennan has an MC Hammer backup dancer as RB coach and 2 former luxurious HC's on staff......don't you think that deserves Bronto getting another looksy? Or are you a bad fan? You choose!

PHXCATS wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:48 am

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:58 am I have little confidence in DRF to handle this in the right way now or in the future with a coach of hers. Just something about her seems off. Maybe it’s forcing her son on the basketball team

I actually like DRF a lot

Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

I really want to see who is on Machina’s “100% Home Run Hire Who Will 100% Succeed” list.

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:48 am

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:58 am I have little confidence in DRF to handle this in the right way now or in the future with a coach of hers. Just something about her seems off. Maybe it’s forcing her son on the basketball team

I actually like DRF a lot

Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

She's good at raising money, which is what this school desperately needs

Brennan getting another year or more is just prolonging the pain. But UofA has financial difficulties and even if the buyout is from boosters, the optics will be terrible. Giving him 16 mil to go away and only after a year won’t sit well with the general public.

Unfortunately looks like we are stuck with him for a while. Hope I am wrong but it’s gonna be ugly next season. And ASU is gonna run up the score on us again

Fishclamps wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:47 pm

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:48 am

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:58 am I have little confidence in DRF to handle this in the right way now or in the future with a coach of hers. Just something about her seems off. Maybe it’s forcing her son on the basketball team

I actually like DRF a lot

Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

She's good at raising money, which is what this school desperately needs

That’s what we have heard but I have seen no evidence of that? Does anyone have info on any large influx of money to the AD?

I read through the end of 2021 in the Jedd Fisch thread and nearly everyone was in wait-&-see mode even coming off 1-11.

Why? Recruiting. Everyone wanted to see if he could become a good game day coach with the talent he was bringing in.

Brennan can’t turn it around if he’s not recruiting at a really high level. And he’s not. So how’s he going to do it?

Chicat wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:46 pm I read through the end of 2021 in the Jedd Fisch thread and nearly everyone was in wait-&-see mode even coming off 1-11.

Why? Recruiting. Everyone wanted to see if he could become a good game day coach with the talent he was bringing in.

Brennan can’t turn it around if he’s not recruiting at a really high level. And he’s not. So how’s he going to do it?

This.

Also swung and missed almost every big transfer targets in the last cycle.

JCM is the only one they have to compete to get? They lost that one too, only got him back because the our back office is incompetent.

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

Her son is a walk on. What's the big deal?

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 2:43 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:47 pm

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm

PHXCATS wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:48 am

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:58 am I have little confidence in DRF to handle this in the right way now or in the future with a coach of hers. Just something about her seems off. Maybe it’s forcing her son on the basketball team

I actually like DRF a lot

Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

She's good at raising money, which is what this school desperately needs

That’s what we have heard but I have seen no evidence of that? Does anyone have info on any large influx of money to the AD?

Maybe it's her rep from Missouri or UNLV?
Although, if she collected 16 mil for a buyout, that's impressive.


However, she does seem to like the camera?

It does seem weird that DRF Jr. and Liam Lloyd are on the team, but they are walkons .

It's a bit different with Lute's grandson, Matt, or RhettRod, those guys went to high school in Tucson.

Can DFR Jr. play better D than Deliroll?

AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:55 pm

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

Her son is a walk on. What's the big deal?

I was thinking the same thing. But with the new rules, there will be no more walk-ons, so he will be gone anyway.

In any event, it wasn't like millionaire RichRod giving a scholarship to his son RhettRod, who even received a huge tuition discount anyway being the son of a state university employee.

This ain't Nam.

AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:55 pm

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

Her son is a walk on. What's the big deal?

You would have to ask Tommy. All I know is that he didn’t like how it was handled and now he doesn’t even want to be in the same room as DRF.

azgreg wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:12 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Disappointing, but I'm not entirely surprised. That's a lot of money to ask from boosters.

The story is she has the money to fire him if she wants to.

I haven’t heard anything on this, and what I have heard — though only from a few people — doesn’t support that last piece of info; but it seems a stretch to believe that DRF took the politically dicey move of fund raising to fire Brennan before even 1 season in, got the $$$, and then decided to keep him.

Smells like classic Arizona AD propaganda to me.

Winger wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 7:46 am

azgreg wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:12 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:08 pm

Fishclamps wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 5:19 pm Scheer said on the post-game the rumor is he's back next season and DRF is gonna make an announcement

Disappointing, but I'm not entirely surprised. That's a lot of money to ask from boosters.

The story is she has the money to fire him if she wants to.

I haven’t heard anything on this, and what I have head — though only from a few people — doesn’t support that last piece of info; but it seems a stretch to believe that DRF took the politically dicey move of fund raising to fire Brennan before even 1 season in, got the $$$, and then decided to keep him.

Smells like classic Arizona AD propaganda to me.

Maybe fan site propaganda......haven't heard a word from the AD office about anything nor would expect to given there is a game left. I assume she will make a statement at year end about expectations going forward and if not met those will become the criteria for termination. It is funny but the 3 schools involved it the Nick Saban retirement all hate their coaches. Washington not happy. Alabama outraged and we suck.

TheCat wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 8:04 am Maybe fan site propaganda......haven't heard a word from the AD office about anything nor would expect to given there is a game left. I assume she will make a statement at year end about expectations going forward and if not met those will become the criteria for termination. It is funny but the 3 schools involved it the Nick Saban retirement all hate their coaches. Washington not happy. Alabama outraged and we suck.

Recently I was at an event that had a bunch of Arizona football and athletic department in attendance. Asked several of them in my own way if they had heard anything about DRF raising money to make a move on Brennan. None had.

That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. But it did seem unusual to me and especially when added to the fact that zero of me and “my boys” have heard anything.

I don’t believe it — DRF having the $$$ to fire Brennan — to be false because I don’t know for certain. I just haven’t heard anything.

And I am biased because I want it to be true and for Brennan to get his money today and for Akina to be named head coach for ASU (but that’s it lol).

Agree with your take on the Saban fallout and had the same thought both preseason (is this going to work out for anyone?) because I know Fisch is a fraud, was worried about Brennan’s ability to run and coach a legit program, and who knew if KdB was up to the level of a job like Alabama.

To date it looks like 3 abject hire-failures; and Alabama ain’t Arizona when it comes to hiring football coaches.

azcat49 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:54 am

AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:55 pm

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

Her son is a walk on. What's the big deal?

You would have to ask Tommy. All I know is that he didn’t like how it was handled and now he doesn’t even want to be in the same room as DRF.

Wow. Had no idea that's how it went down. Pretty shady indeed.

We are talking about walk ons for basketball that currently has the son of a major donor on the team and has had those kind of players for years. We had recently had the brother of a good player on scholarship and have reached out to teammates of guys we are interested in. Normal business. Not sure why having a guy shag shots for scholarship players is a big deal.

TheCat wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:13 pm We are talking about walk ons for basketball that currently has the son of a major donor on the team and has had those kind of players for years. We had have recently had the brother of a good player on scholarship and have reached out to teammates of guys we are interested in. Normal business. Not sure why having a guy shag shots for scholarship players is a big deal.

If it is a big deal, you’d have to ask Tommy why, but I’d venture to guess it’s not his presence but the way he came to be on the team at all.

He doesn’t dislike the kid and he won’t be a distraction but he has issues with DRF on how it came about. This isn’t a pedestrian program like Mizzou. This is a top 10 program working hard to get to FF’s. It wasn’t like Tommy reached out to her and said, “ hey why doesn’t your son run with us”

CBB does not get it. Why in the world wouldn't you play up the spoiler angle? The more reasons to kick ASU's ass the better.

I would play up the spoiler angle and the 70-7 score that Herm says was meant to humiliate.

Insane, it's literally the only thing we have left to play for at this point.

Reminds me of Mike Stoops, who said that the UA/ASU game isn't a real rivalry game.

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:12 am

azcat49 wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:54 am

AZCatGirl wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:55 pm

azcat49 wrote: Sun Nov 24, 2024 1:33 pm Would love to hear more. She seems so fake and while I don’t care about her shaking up the department, I do care about her forcing her son on the basketball team

Her son is a walk on. What's the big deal?

You would have to ask Tommy. All I know is that he didn’t like how it was handled and now he doesn’t even want to be in the same room as DRF.

Wow. Had no idea that's how it went down. Pretty shady indeed.

Was this part of her compensation package?
I'd like to hear more details. Also more details about CTL not wanting to be anywhere near DRF.
Please share

I would also like to know more. I hadnt heard any of that before.

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:50 pm CBB does not get it. Why in the world wouldn't you play up the spoiler angle? The more reasons to kick ASU's ass the better.

What coach going into the last game of what has been a very disappointing season against their rival who has had a ridiculously good and unexpected season shrugs off another avenue to motivate his players?

Pull out all the stops Opie! Don’t just put on that goddamn lei and pretend to give a shit.

Chicat wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:28 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:50 pm CBB does not get it. Why in the world wouldn't you play up the spoiler angle? The more reasons to kick ASU's ass the better.

What coach going into the last game of what has been a very disappointing season against their rival who has had a ridiculously good and unexpected season shrugs off another avenue to motivate his players?

Pull out all the stops Opie! Don’t just put on that goddamn lei and pretend to give a shit.

If any Arizona players, in any sport, need "extra motivation" against ASU, they're at the wrong school!

Period!

pc in NM wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 4:04 pm

Chicat wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 3:28 pm

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:50 pm CBB does not get it. Why in the world wouldn't you play up the spoiler angle? The more reasons to kick ASU's ass the better.

What coach going into the last game of what has been a very disappointing season against their rival who has had a ridiculously good and unexpected season shrugs off another avenue to motivate his players?

Pull out all the stops Opie! Don’t just put on that goddamn lei and pretend to give a shit.

If any Arizona players, in any sport, need "extra motivation" against ASU, they're at the wrong school!

Period!

It’s not about them “needing” anything. It’s about giving your players everything you’ve got. Maybe they don’t need it. But fucking Opie Brennan wouldn’t fucking know because he still thinks he’s fucking coaching the mid-tier of the goddamn Mountain West!

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:50 pm CBB does not get it. Why in the world wouldn't you play up the spoiler angle? The more reasons to kick ASU's ass the better.

You don’t play up spoiler angle as a head coach because it reflects the failure of a season you have presided over.

“Hey guys, we sucked this year, but we can still be spoilers!”

Winger wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 8:30 am

AZCatGirl wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 1:50 pm CBB does not get it. Why in the world wouldn't you play up the spoiler angle? The more reasons to kick ASU's ass the better.

You don’t play up spoiler angle as a head coach because it reflects the failure of a season you have presided over.

“Hey guys, we sucked this year, but we can still be spoilers!”

I look at the spoiler angle as completely outward.

“Hey guys, those idiots up north think they’re so fucking special because they lucked into a decent record. Well their luck is about to run out and we are going to spoil their oh so special season.”

We assume CBB Will get another year pending a competitive performance against ASSU. I wonder if DRF has her eye on the OC at UNLV?
He might make a great replacement for CBB when that time comes

If you made me bet my guess is he's back next year regardless of what happens against ASU.

Actually, an $8mil buyout could be worse!

For example:

• Brian Kelly/LSU - $61 million, the amount it would cost LSU to make a coaching change right now. I’m not saying LSU should fire Kelly, but that number makes it impossible to even think about.

• Mike Norvell/FSU - nearly $64 million, for a Pre-season Top 10 Seminoles program in shambles amid a 2-9 year.

pc in NM wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:06 am Actually, an $8mil buyout could be worse!

For example:

• Brian Kelly/LSU - $61 million, the amount it would cost LSU to make a coaching change right now. I’m not saying LSU should fire Kelly, but that number makes it impossible to even think about.

• Mike Norvell/FSU - nearly $64 million, for a Pre-season Top 10 Seminoles program in shambles amid a 2-9 year.

I've read the buyout is closer to 14 million this season.

Lando05 wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 1:42 pm

pc in NM wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:06 am Actually, an $8mil buyout could be worse!

For example:

• Brian Kelly/LSU - $61 million, the amount it would cost LSU to make a coaching change right now. I’m not saying LSU should fire Kelly, but that number makes it impossible to even think about.

• Mike Norvell/FSU - nearly $64 million, for a Pre-season Top 10 Seminoles program in shambles amid a 2-9 year.

I've read the buyout is closer to 14 million this season.

It is, he gets 100% of pay if fired the first 2 seasons.

$2,200,000 for year one
$2,400,000 for year two
$2,600,000 for year three
$2,800,000 for year four
$3,000,000 for year five

I believe he gets $200K from Learfield, and $200K from Nike each season too which the UA will be responsible for.

So assuming he's back next year, do we think he's getting a third year to prove himself or else? Because obviously next year is going to be a lost season. Seems pointless to bring him back only to fire him next year.