Re: The 2020-2021 Season Thread
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:39 pm
Not in the field?
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Yep. No Illinois game either.ChooChooCat wrote:get ready for a boring schedule.
EliteIndianaZonaFan wrote: Not in the field?
Tubelis and Akinjo. The team goes as far as those two take them.NickyBCats wrote:Any word on who’s sticking out to the staff in early workouts?
And generally what would be your guess as to that?ChooChooCat wrote:Tubelis and Akinjo. The team goes as far as those two take them.NickyBCats wrote:Any word on who’s sticking out to the staff in early workouts?
That is my guess, yes. One more year with this core though and we could hit big pending of course on a tourney sanction.SCCats wrote:And generally what would be your guess as to that?ChooChooCat wrote:Tubelis and Akinjo. The team goes as far as those two take them.NickyBCats wrote:Any word on who’s sticking out to the staff in early workouts?
We basically continuing our general fringe top 25ness?
Makes sense, that was my thought as well. It would be the most Arizona Basketball thing ever if we get a tourney ban in the year we have our best roster in a handful of years...absolutely cursedChooChooCat wrote:That is my guess, yes. One more year with this core though and we could hit big pending of course on a tourney sanction.SCCats wrote:And generally what would be your guess as to that?ChooChooCat wrote:Tubelis and Akinjo. The team goes as far as those two take them.NickyBCats wrote:Any word on who’s sticking out to the staff in early workouts?
We basically continuing our general fringe top 25ness?
Hopefully we can be solid defensively. I would reckon that determines our tourney fate. Koloko, Brown, Tubelis, Mathurin, Terry, Baker, Brown and Akinjo all have the physical attributes to be plus defenders. Hopefully the extra prep time lets that come out immediately.ChooChooCat wrote:Tubelis and Akinjo. The team goes as far as those two take them.NickyBCats wrote:Any word on who’s sticking out to the staff in early workouts?
Thank you.ChooChooCat wrote:If I had to guess the starting lineup today it would be:
Akinjo
Baker
Terry
Tubelis
Brown
I think Kerr is the better player vs Baker, but his frame is going to hold him back from starting (off the bat at least). Terry is just a guess over Mathurin, that could go either way, with the possibility of both starting next to each other as the season goes on as well. I’m pegging Terry there as he’s a great passer to compliment Akinjo’s ball dominant style. As far as reserves go Kerr, Brown, Mathurin, Lee, and Koloko. I have no idea how Batcho can get minutes on this team.
We’ll be good, how good depends on how far Akinjo/Tubelis can carry us and what Sean Miller can do coaching wise.azcat49 wrote:Is your guess Choo that we are better than expected? It might be my fandom but I think we will be.
Mathurin is further along physically, while Terry is further along basketball wise, although Mathurin isn’t that far behind there. I have no idea about defense honestly. Still too early.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Thank you.ChooChooCat wrote:If I had to guess the starting lineup today it would be:
Akinjo
Baker
Terry
Tubelis
Brown
I think Kerr is the better player vs Baker, but his frame is going to hold him back from starting (off the bat at least). Terry is just a guess over Mathurin, that could go either way, with the possibility of both starting next to each other as the season goes on as well. I’m pegging Terry there as he’s a great passer to compliment Akinjo’s ball dominant style. As far as reserves go Kerr, Brown, Mathurin, Lee, and Koloko. I have no idea how Batcho can get minutes on this team.
Have you heard anything about Mathurin and Terry relative to their development? Every other position has a veteran or two to fall back on. Wing...seems wide open. Mathurin/Terry are the most natural SF's, or we could go 3 guards with Kerr or Brown.
I would love to know how we're shaping up on D. That's the area I think makes the differerence in our tourney ability.
Oh.ChooChooCat wrote:We’ll be good, how good depends on how far Akinjo/Tubelis can carry us and what Sean Miller can do coaching wise.azcat49 wrote:Is your guess Choo that we are better than expected? It might be my fandom but I think we will be.
Can always play Baker at the SF position along with two guards in a smaller line-up with a need for proven ball handling at the 3. Oooohh the proven ball handler three guard line-up... Akinjo, Terrell Brown, and Baker... lots of combinations, tbd on how Miller uses them and how likely he is to stay fluid throughout the season.ChooChooCat wrote:Mathurin is further along physically, while Terry is further along basketball wise, although Mathurin isn’t that far behind there. I have no idea about defense honestly. Still too early.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Thank you.ChooChooCat wrote:If I had to guess the starting lineup today it would be:
Akinjo
Baker
Terry
Tubelis
Brown
I think Kerr is the better player vs Baker, but his frame is going to hold him back from starting (off the bat at least). Terry is just a guess over Mathurin, that could go either way, with the possibility of both starting next to each other as the season goes on as well. I’m pegging Terry there as he’s a great passer to compliment Akinjo’s ball dominant style. As far as reserves go Kerr, Brown, Mathurin, Lee, and Koloko. I have no idea how Batcho can get minutes on this team.
Have you heard anything about Mathurin and Terry relative to their development? Every other position has a veteran or two to fall back on. Wing...seems wide open. Mathurin/Terry are the most natural SF's, or we could go 3 guards with Kerr or Brown.
I would love to know how we're shaping up on D. That's the area I think makes the differerence in our tourney ability.
The one thing that gives me pause there is Brown shot the 3 very poorly for Seattle. For a small guy, I worry about spacing the floor with him out there.YoDeFoe wrote:Can always play Baker at the SF position along with two guards in a smaller line-up with a need for proven ball handling at the 3. Oooohh the proven ball handler three guard line-up... Akinjo, Terrell Brown, and Baker... lots of combinations, tbd on how Miller uses them and how likely he is to stay fluid throughout the season.ChooChooCat wrote:Mathurin is further along physically, while Terry is further along basketball wise, although Mathurin isn’t that far behind there. I have no idea about defense honestly. Still too early.Spaceman Spiff wrote:Thank you.ChooChooCat wrote:If I had to guess the starting lineup today it would be:
Akinjo
Baker
Terry
Tubelis
Brown
I think Kerr is the better player vs Baker, but his frame is going to hold him back from starting (off the bat at least). Terry is just a guess over Mathurin, that could go either way, with the possibility of both starting next to each other as the season goes on as well. I’m pegging Terry there as he’s a great passer to compliment Akinjo’s ball dominant style. As far as reserves go Kerr, Brown, Mathurin, Lee, and Koloko. I have no idea how Batcho can get minutes on this team.
Have you heard anything about Mathurin and Terry relative to their development? Every other position has a veteran or two to fall back on. Wing...seems wide open. Mathurin/Terry are the most natural SF's, or we could go 3 guards with Kerr or Brown.
I would love to know how we're shaping up on D. That's the area I think makes the differerence in our tourney ability.
Personally I'm not excited about Brown at all.Spaceman Spiff wrote:
The one thing that gives me pause there is Brown shot the 3 very poorly for Seattle. For a small guy, I worry about spacing the floor with him out there.
Is anyone? Guy is a chucker who shoots poorly (41% FG, 29% 3 PT last season) on 18.8 shots a game. As many mid major transfers find out, it's a much different game shooting in Power 5 conferences. Ask TJ McConnell who was a superb shooter at Duquesne.ChooChooCat wrote:Personally I'm not excited about Brown at all.
Do I detect some measured confidence, Choo? Think I already said this upthread, but this roster feels more loaded with wild cards than any in recent memory. If the transfers and freshmen have some swag and toughness, maybe we can surprise some people. But I'm not holding my breath. I think this is a bubble team at best, probably 4th or 5th in the Pac.ChooChooCat wrote:We’ll be good, how good depends on how far Akinjo/Tubelis can carry us and what Sean Miller can do coaching wise.azcat49 wrote:Is your guess Choo that we are better than expected? It might be my fandom but I think we will be.
I think this year's team will be better than last year's. I don't know how much better, but the team play overall should be improved.Beachcat97 wrote:Do I detect some measured confidence, Choo? Think I already said this upthread, but this roster feels more loaded with wild cards than any in recent memory. If the transfers and freshmen have some swag and toughness, maybe we can surprise some people. But I'm not holding my breath. I think this is a bubble team at best, probably 4th or 5th in the Pac.ChooChooCat wrote:We’ll be good, how good depends on how far Akinjo/Tubelis can carry us and what Sean Miller can do coaching wise.azcat49 wrote:Is your guess Choo that we are better than expected? It might be my fandom but I think we will be.
On Brown, maybe Jeter is a decent comparison? Both guys were overrated as HS seniors and transferred after their freshman year. Brown is taller and probably has better upside. Jeter also had injuries impact his development. But both guys transferred into AZ early in their college careers. Like Jeter, Brown will likely play four years of college.
I feel like last year's team underachieved as much or more than any Miller's had at AZ. 10-8 in the Pac was pretty disappointing, and we either would've been a pretty low seed or missed the tourney altogether.ChooChooCat wrote:I think this year's team will be better than last year's. I don't know how much better, but the team play overall should be improved.Beachcat97 wrote:Do I detect some measured confidence, Choo? Think I already said this upthread, but this roster feels more loaded with wild cards than any in recent memory. If the transfers and freshmen have some swag and toughness, maybe we can surprise some people. But I'm not holding my breath. I think this is a bubble team at best, probably 4th or 5th in the Pac.ChooChooCat wrote:We’ll be good, how good depends on how far Akinjo/Tubelis can carry us and what Sean Miller can do coaching wise.azcat49 wrote:Is your guess Choo that we are better than expected? It might be my fandom but I think we will be.
On Brown, maybe Jeter is a decent comparison? Both guys were overrated as HS seniors and transferred after their freshman year. Brown is taller and probably has better upside. Jeter also had injuries impact his development. But both guys transferred into AZ early in their college careers. Like Jeter, Brown will likely play four years of college.
I'm more positive about Brown. You're right he was a low efficiency volume shooter at Seattle and he won't play here with that. He was a positive in basically all other areas, though. He had a 2-1 a/to ratio despite heavy usage, he was a very good rebounder for his size and was a plus defender, although not a lockdown guy.Merkin wrote:Is anyone? Guy is a chucker who shoots poorly (41% FG, 29% 3 PT last season) on 18.8 shots a game. As many mid major transfers find out, it's a much different game shooting in Power 5 conferences. Ask TJ McConnell who was a superb shooter at Duquesne.ChooChooCat wrote:Personally I'm not excited about Brown at all.
On Mathurin, his release is fine. His biggest issue on the shot is a tendency to fall back and to his left. That inconsistent base is one of the issues Nico had last year. One simple way he can fix is by not shooting off the dribble, because that's where the issue is most pronounced for him. If he only shoots catch and shoot J's where he's square and has his base going towards the rim, he should at least be solid.baycat93 wrote:Akinjo 25
Baker 20
Krissa 20
T Brown 10
Mathurin 25
Terry 20
Lee 10
Batcho 5
A Tubelis 25
J Brown 25
Koloko 15
Almost all CSM teams have at least one player pushing or playing over 30 minutes. Guessing Akinjo is that player. At the expense of Brown, imo. Brown has always felt like insurance/practice/favor to Terry situation. Not a rotation player. I think all three of the guards will spend time on and off the ball. Should be interesting to see how CSM organizes them. I think mathurin's physical presence will be more needed than Terry's distribution. Also, Mathurin's shot does not look broken, based on the recent practice video (large grain of salt of course). Bigs are hard to tell with extended minutes, but A Tubelis sounds like he could be in for as many as he can handle. Koloko will certainly have the opportunity for more minutes, just need to see it to believe w/ regards to his fouling. Brown sounds like he has the toughness CSM likes in the post so expect him to start and play a lot.
Excited to see this group on the floor. Other than being thin on the wing, on paper this feels like a pretty balanced Miller team. If one of Mathurin/Terry turns out to be a plus defender we could definitely outplay our current expectations.
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This strikes me as the big thing with Brown. He was a 5 star based on length and athleticism, but his game was never super developed. Hopefully the year (plus Covid practice time) lets him round out his skills and add some muscle.azcat49 wrote:I am intrigued and excited to see what Jordan Brown brings to the table. Former 5 star kid that we put in a lot of effort for and then he hardly plays for a good Nevada team.
The year sitting had to be hard but I think it did him wonders learning our system and refining his game. Hoping he is rewarded and has a great year
It's a miniscule sample size bc he only played 10 mpg, but at Nevada, his rebounding and blocks were average for a big guy. His TO% was way too high.azcat49 wrote:If he could be the athlete that Jeter wasn’t, I would be pleased with that. Jeter had a nice game but had lost his lift and he had to be crafty. I have no idea if he can protect the rim or get the tough bucket inside but I will be watching and rooting for the kid.
I know he will look good against all the cupcakes we have lined up early so it might not be until conference play we can see where he really is
Tubelis's highlights reminded me of a slightly smaller Domanatas Sabonis. Very fluid and agile. Not really a jump shooter, but great touch and hands midrange and around the basket. I think he easily looks like our best offensive threat as a big.azcat49 wrote:Koloko, talk about being excited. I think he could average 4 blocks a game if he gets 30 minutes a game. I know he probably will get 20-25 with Tubelis getting the most of the three 4/5 guys we have.
We will need our bigs to be a threat offensively down low. Tubelis would seem to be our best bet but we need someone else to step up when he is out
When Brown got on campus last year he was 210lbs. He's 240lbs today.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's a miniscule sample size bc he only played 10 mpg, but at Nevada, his rebounding and blocks were average for a big guy. His TO% was way too high.azcat49 wrote:If he could be the athlete that Jeter wasn’t, I would be pleased with that. Jeter had a nice game but had lost his lift and he had to be crafty. I have no idea if he can protect the rim or get the tough bucket inside but I will be watching and rooting for the kid.
I know he will look good against all the cupcakes we have lined up early so it might not be until conference play we can see where he really is
He looks like a decent athlete, which is why I hope he added some muscle. From what I've seen his rebounding and blocks limitations are primarily that he had trouble maintaining a strong base. He had a block rate slightly below Ayton, who was not a dominant shot blocker.
Hopefully the year to develop let him process the game better to cut down on to's and have a defined offensive game. The potential is there, especially because we're kind of handling 4 and 5 by committee this year. If we need a rim protector, we'll play Koloko.
Nice.ChooChooCat wrote:When Brown got on campus last year he was 210lbs. He's 240lbs today.Spaceman Spiff wrote:It's a miniscule sample size bc he only played 10 mpg, but at Nevada, his rebounding and blocks were average for a big guy. His TO% was way too high.azcat49 wrote:If he could be the athlete that Jeter wasn’t, I would be pleased with that. Jeter had a nice game but had lost his lift and he had to be crafty. I have no idea if he can protect the rim or get the tough bucket inside but I will be watching and rooting for the kid.
I know he will look good against all the cupcakes we have lined up early so it might not be until conference play we can see where he really is
He looks like a decent athlete, which is why I hope he added some muscle. From what I've seen his rebounding and blocks limitations are primarily that he had trouble maintaining a strong base. He had a block rate slightly below Ayton, who was not a dominant shot blocker.
Hopefully the year to develop let him process the game better to cut down on to's and have a defined offensive game. The potential is there, especially because we're kind of handling 4 and 5 by committee this year. If we need a rim protector, we'll play Koloko.
We have the physical ability to be good, but development is needed.azcat49 wrote:Spiff/Choo, what are your thoughts on this group related to rebounding strength. I think they may be very good in this area. The best Miller teams were relentless on the glass, grabbing a high % of defensive rebounds and getting a high % of offensive boards.
Spaceman Spiff wrote:Not to be talking to myself all the time, but I like Arizona basketball. My uneducated thoughts on lineups.
Starters and mpg:
Akinjo, 30-35.
Baker, 20-25.
Terry/Mathurin, 18-23.
Tubelis, 28-33.
J. Brown, 25-30.
Bench rotation and mpg (I'm making no attempt to figure out if this actually equals 200 mpg):
Kriisa, 13-18.
T. Brown, 13-18.
Mathurin/Terry nonstarter, 18-23.
Lee, 13-18.
Koloko, 13-18.
I'd think he'd cut Baker and/or T. Brown's minutes first. Akinjo is the only perimeter player we have who's shown he can score a fair amount at decent efficiency.Merkin wrote:Spaceman Spiff wrote:Not to be talking to myself all the time, but I like Arizona basketball. My uneducated thoughts on lineups.
Starters and mpg:
Akinjo, 30-35.
Baker, 20-25.
Terry/Mathurin, 18-23.
Tubelis, 28-33.
J. Brown, 25-30.
Bench rotation and mpg (I'm making no attempt to figure out if this actually equals 200 mpg):
Kriisa, 13-18.
T. Brown, 13-18.
Mathurin/Terry nonstarter, 18-23.
Lee, 13-18.
Koloko, 13-18.
I imagine Kriisa is really going to cut into Akinjo's minutes if he is as good as stated. How do you think Akinjo is going to react if that happens? His actions at Georgetown where he wanted to be the both the handler and scorer are well known.
Dalen Terry looks like a really tall 12 year old.Alieberman wrote:Someone needs to post all the players pics with their names in this thread.... I don't think I know what 90% of them look like.
https://arizonawildcats.com/sports/mens ... all/roster" target="_blankAlieberman wrote:Someone needs to post all the players pics with their names in this thread.... I don't think I know what 90% of them look like.
This confirms our roster composition is 50% players whose names I'm scared I'm mispronouncing and 50% guys named Brown.dmjcat wrote:https://arizonawildcats.com/sports/mens ... all/roster" target="_blankAlieberman wrote:Someone needs to post all the players pics with their names in this thread.... I don't think I know what 90% of them look like.