Carter Bryant

[Chicat]

Hoping like hell this isn’t a short thread.

Arizona needs to put max effort and money into getting Carter Bryant back for next year. And if there is a fund that is solely aimed at doing that, I’m in. Take my money. We need him in the biggest way.

[EastCoastCat]

I'm in too!

[VegasCatFan]

Whoever it was that made Love an offer he couldn't refuse this past year hopefully can do it for Bryant too.

[LuteIsGod]

I don’t understand the rules, but if we lose Bryant can we go after Henri and bring him back? I think a football player did this a season ago, after he agreed to transfer and then stayed with his previous team.

[azgreg]

I don’t understand the rules, but if we lose Bryant can we go after Henri and bring him back? I think a football player did this a season ago, after he agreed to transfer and then stayed with his previous team.

Henri has already committed to NC.

[LuteIsGod]

I don’t understand the rules, but if we lose Bryant can we go after Henri and bring him back? I think a football player did this a season ago, after he agreed to transfer and then stayed with his previous team.

Henri has already committed to NC.

I understand that, but can he decommit is my question?

I’m also asking because Henri can play the uptempo game well and I think Krivas can’t

[Chicat]

Only took four posts for the thread hijack.

[azgreg]

I don’t understand the rules, but if we lose Bryant can we go after Henri and bring him back? I think a football player did this a season ago, after he agreed to transfer and then stayed with his previous team.

Henri has already committed to NC.

I understand that, but can he decommit is my question?

I’m also asking because Henri can play the uptempo game well and I think Krivas can’t

It's my understanding that once you sign you are committed for at least one year.

[Fishclamps]

Only took four posts for the thread hijack.

[Alieberman]

I honestly think CB needs to be playing now and not be stored away at the end of a bench if we really wants to develop into the player he aspires to be. I just saw a projection of him being drafted by OKC. That’s a great young team and he would be absolutely buried.

If he could get a decent NIL deal here I 100% believe it would add years to his NBA career

[LuteIsGod]

Only took four posts for the thread hijack.

Hey….be nice…..I felt the context was there to pose the question, should we be unable to secure Bryant

[Abrahamarvel]

Is testing water still a thing? If yes, I think he should test the water

[Fishclamps]

Is testing water still a thing? If yes, I think he should test the water

The word going around is there is no middle ground. He's either in the draft, or he's back at Arizona.

[Postmaster]

Hoping like hell this isn’t a short thread.

Arizona needs to put max effort and money into getting Carter Bryant back for next year. And if there is a fund that is solely aimed at doing that, I’m in. Take my money. We need him in the biggest way.

I was looking at the softball roster today. I noticed that next to each player are little icons. X, insta, and a $. The $ appears to be a way to send them money. It says "help me" or something like that. Not sure if it goes through a collective or what.

[Winger]

Is testing water still a thing? If yes, I think he should test the water

The word going around is there is no middle ground. He's either in the draft, or he's back at Arizona.

Doubt that the rumor was ever true/accurate. Not that it matters in the slightest. Even today, when he is “testing” and I am 99% convinced that he is going into the draft, Lloyd holds out hope (and his spot in the starting lineup) that he will return. At least as I hear it.

[gronk4heisman]

Is testing water still a thing? If yes, I think he should test the water

The word going around is there is no middle ground. He's either in the draft, or he's back at Arizona.

Doubt that the rumor was ever true/accurate. Not that it matters in the slightest. Even today, when he is “testing” and I am 99% convinced that he is going into the draft, Lloyd holds out hope (and his spot in the starting lineup) that he will return. At least as I hear it.

Everyday you hold out hope is a day you are held hostage by not filling his spot as the few remaining options are taken. So if Lloyd is doing that I sure hope he has a damn good back up plan that is not lets role with ADO and Aristode and some low level transfer.

[pc in NM]

The questions that remain, if this is in fact a parting of ways with CB:

We have two recruits rated as highly as CB entering - Burries & Peat.

• How do y'all anticipate their adaptation to D1/Big-12 (defense, ball-handling, shooting, incorporation into CTL's schemes) will compare to CB's

• Will we be grieving their ones-and-done this time next year?

• Or will be grieving a transfer out for the $$$$?

And to a lesser extent, same Q's regarding 4-star Aristode.

As for James, I think we should wonder if he has some shining moments in first two seasons, do we lose him to the portal?

[Winger]

Is testing water still a thing? If yes, I think he should test the water

The word going around is there is no middle ground. He's either in the draft, or he's back at Arizona.

Doubt that the rumor was ever true/accurate. Not that it matters in the slightest. Even today, when he is “testing” and I am 99% convinced that he is going into the draft, Lloyd holds out hope (and his spot in the starting lineup) that he will return. At least as I hear it.

Everyday you hold out hope is a day you are held hostage by not filling his spot as the few remaining options are taken. So if Lloyd is doing that I sure hope he has a damn good back up plan that is not lets role with ADO and Aristode and some low level transfer.

Think we are all 100% with you there. Me and fellow ptsd sufferer Chicat in particular.

[MrKyle]

Is testing water still a thing? If yes, I think he should test the water

The word going around is there is no middle ground. He's either in the draft, or he's back at Arizona.

Doubt that the rumor was ever true/accurate. Not that it matters in the slightest. Even today, when he is “testing” and I am 99% convinced that he is going into the draft, Lloyd holds out hope (and his spot in the starting lineup) that he will return. At least as I hear it.

Everyday you hold out hope is a day you are held hostage by not filling his spot as the few remaining options are taken. So if Lloyd is doing that I sure hope he has a damn good back up plan that is not lets role with ADO and Aristode and some low level transfer.

Think we are all 100% with you there. Me and fellow ptsd sufferer Chicat in particular.

This 100%, need to make a decision one way or the other. The way the withdrawal deadline and portal line up does no favors to teams waiting on someone to test the waters.

While I would like seeing CB back and think it would is best for the team (and probably his long term NBA game) I don't know if that is the same financially for him.

[HiCat]

Gut reaction only..he's gone. $$$$ tilts the scale.

[Beachcat97]

Gut reaction only..he's gone. $$$$ tilts the scale.

But I thought there's enough NIL money these days to keep guys in college.

[84Cat]

Gut reaction only..he's gone. $$$$ tilts the scale.

But I thought there's enough NIL money these days to keep guys in college.

Posted today

[Alieberman]

Isn’t today the deadline to declare for NBA?

Any word?

[Chicat]

Isn’t today the deadline to declare for NBA?

Any word?

Yes, and not that I’ve seen.

[EastCoastCat]

Is that a good sign?

Signed,
We really deserve good things club

[Alieberman]

My guess is that he just very quietly entered his paperwork without any fanfare.

I know the UofA would make a huge deal announcement if we was 100% staying

[Chicat]

My guess is that he just very quietly entered his paperwork without any fanfare.

I know the UofA would make a huge deal announcement if we was 100% staying

Was thinking the same. Especially with Lloyd saying he expected him to test the waters.

[Winger]

Not a surprise but FTR:

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1916451981163442398

[azgreg]

[Winger]

Givony still has Bryant at #20. Think that will likely end up being too low. Be interested to see if he moves Bryant up over the next few weeks.

[Chicat]

Saw a few mocks with him as high as 11. If he gets anything close to a guarantee in that range, he should probably go.

[Winger]

Saw a few mocks with him as high as 11. If he gets anything close to a guarantee in that range, he should probably go.

I trust Givony and if he moves Bryant up it would back up what I heard.

[TheCat]

If any recruit is in the lottery he should go. Start the clock and know that if you are drafted that high they have something more invested in you. If not it is a gamble because you're going to a good team. If he is in the 20's not sure he should go.

[Winger]

I guess no one else will tell you this but based on recent events Carter is likely to be closer to #10 than #20.

Which is awesome. So stoked for him if the rumors are accurate.

[TheCat]

Well if he is 10 then that is a no brainer. Not sure how a single figure scorer with some defensive liabilities would be that high unless they are all in on potential only. Someone that averages 6.5 points and 4.1 rebounds (5th on the team) are not usually coveted in the top 10.

[Winger]

Well if he is 10 then that is a no brainer. Not sure how a single figure scorer with some defensive liabilities would be that high unless they are all in on potential only. Someone that averages 6.5 points and 4.1 rebounds (5th on the team) are not usually coveted in the top 10.

Yeah I agree there on it being about potential. It’s not apples to apples exactly, but Terry averaged 8.0 and 4.8 (with about 10 more minutes played per game than CB), didn’t have nearly as good of an outside jumper nor release, was an inch shorter and 20 pounds lighter, and … went #18. Course singular comparisons aren’t worth much but it is a familiar comparison for Arizona fans. And, he oozes potential and has positional size (assuming his handle improves). As I understand it our head coach isnt fully conceding everything yet, but once Bryant got in front of some teams his draft stock moved significantly up; and that is why it is likely he is gone. As a fan I want him back of course (selfish) but as a fellow human I want him to get drafted as high as possible and have long term success in the NBA. Being close to the #10 pick doesn’t guarantee that but it makes it more likely than if he was 20 or later.

[TheCat]

When did he get in front of teams? Are you talking about season performance? Interviews? If he is top ten I would drive him to the team that picks hin that high. It is not worth the risk to gain 3-4 spots. He has great potential but their were guys we played we as much like the freshman guard from Baylor (VJ?). Have no idea if or where he is in the draft.
As for Terry he caught fire the last half of the season but before that he was not a good shooter. Always played defense.

[84Cat]

I've seen Edgecombe projected at 4 to 6. He averaged over 15 ppg

[TheCat]

CBS as Carter at 40.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/

Don't know who is the best at projecting these things by a wide range of opinions.

NBADraftNet has Carter at 29.
https://www.nbadraft.net/ranking/bigboard/

USA Today has Carter at 24.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 988738007/

[Winger]

When did he get in front of teams?

As I understand it: recently.

I seem to remember Terry blowing up during the eval process when it came to measurables/testing (i.e. not shooting) but you're right he was better defensively when he entered the draft (sophomore c/w CB being a freshman).

Best draft person imo is Givony (behind a pay wall at espn now. used to be draft express).

[TheCat]

Hoops Hype:
HoopsHype has updated the list of the top prospects for the 2025 NBA Draft by compiling 10 mock drafts from ESPN, CBS Sports, The Athletic, Bleacher Report, Babcock Hoops, USA Today, NBAdraft.net, SB Nation and FTW.

Has a compiled ranking for Carter rated at 19 with a high rating of 15 and a low rating of Not Ranked. He in a earlier poll from Hoops Hype was 33 with a high ranking of 19th and a low of not ranked.

I have not seen a ranking higher than 15 with a lot in mid/high 20's or low thirties.

[dirtbags]

Well if he is 10 then that is a no brainer. Not sure how a single figure scorer with some defensive liabilities would be that high unless they are all in on potential only. Someone that averages 6.5 points and 4.1 rebounds (5th on the team) are not usually coveted in the top 10.

Yeah I agree there on it being about potential. It’s not apples to apples exactly, but Terry averaged 8.0 and 4.8 (with about 10 more minutes played per game than CB), didn’t have nearly as good of an outside jumper nor release, was an inch shorter and 20 pounds lighter, and … went #18. Course singular comparisons aren’t worth much but it is a familiar comparison for Arizona fans. And, he oozes potential and has positional size (assuming his handle improves). As I understand it our head coach isnt fully conceding everything yet, but once Bryant got in front of some teams his draft stock moved significantly up; and that is why it is likely he is gone. As a fan I want him back of course (selfish) but as a fellow human I want him to get drafted as high as possible and have long term success in the NBA. Being close to the #10 pick doesn’t guarantee that but it makes it more likely than if he was 20 or later.

yeah, it's a little surprising to see a player goign so high in the draft on potential and raw talent but i saw a blurb on socials (disclaimer, not fact-checked so idk if true) that the current class of draft candidates is the lowest in a decade and around a third of the size of the draft pool before NIL was enacted - so i guess it makes sense that kids are hanging back in college and getting paid, probably making more than they might in the g-league. i guess we're lucky cb didn't get lured to another program with a bigger bag. hopefully he gets some good feedback & evals on his draft stock and pulls the trigger sooner than later so that CTL can move forward with plans.

[TheCat]

Well if he is 10 then that is a no brainer. Not sure how a single figure scorer with some defensive liabilities would be that high unless they are all in on potential only. Someone that averages 6.5 points and 4.1 rebounds (5th on the team) are not usually coveted in the top 10.

Yeah I agree there on it being about potential. It’s not apples to apples exactly, but Terry averaged 8.0 and 4.8 (with about 10 more minutes played per game than CB), didn’t have nearly as good of an outside jumper nor release, was an inch shorter and 20 pounds lighter, and … went #18. Course singular comparisons aren’t worth much but it is a familiar comparison for Arizona fans. And, he oozes potential and has positional size (assuming his handle improves). As I understand it our head coach isnt fully conceding everything yet, but once Bryant got in front of some teams his draft stock moved significantly up; and that is why it is likely he is gone. As a fan I want him back of course (selfish) but as a fellow human I want him to get drafted as high as possible and have long term success in the NBA. Being close to the #10 pick doesn’t guarantee that but it makes it more likely than if he was 20 or later.

yeah, it's a little surprising to see a player goign so high in the draft on potential and raw talent but i saw a blurb on socials (disclaimer, not fact-checked so idk if true) that the current class of draft candidates is the lowest in a decade and around a third of the size of the draft pool before NIL was enacted - so i guess it makes sense that kids are hanging back in college and getting paid, probably making more than they might in the g-league. i guess we're lucky cb didn't get lured to another program with a bigger bag. hopefully he gets some good feedback & evals on his draft stock and pulls the trigger sooner than later so that CTL can move forward with plans.

That is true and some potential first rounders have already chosen to return. 106 players who have filed for early entry into the 2025 NBA Draft. Per ESPN’s Jonathan Givony that’s the lowest number since 2015 and down significantly from the peak of 363 in 2021.

[azcat49]

College paying more than the pro’s. Who’d a thunk that

[Abrahamarvel]

Terry's handle is way more advanced than Bryant at this momemt.

CB has the premier athletic ability, but in order to stick in the league, he needs to show he can hit 3s more consistently, and play lock down D.

If he wants to be a long term starter and 1/2 option on the NBA team, he would need to develop a better handle and ability to attack and finish at the rim (at least comparable to Pelle)

[Chicat]

College paying more than the pro’s. Who’d a thunk that

College is definitely a more guaranteed income at this point. There are just way more spots than the NBA.

Shit man, if someone wanted to pay me $50k to play basketball at UA plus give me a free education I’d jump on it. Better than being in the G-league.

[84Cat]

College paying more than the pro’s. Who’d a thunk that

College is definitely a more guaranteed income at this point. There are just way more spots than the NBA.

Shit man, if someone wanted to pay me $50k to play basketball at UA plus give me a free education I’d jump on it. Better than being in the G-league.

If Carter is picked 20th, he would make $3,658,800 his 1st year, $3,841,680 his 2nd year & $4,024,440 his 3rd year. I've heard we are offering CB around $1.5 million next year. Are you giving up over $2 million dollars to stay in college? I don't think many of us would make that deal

[Chicat]

College paying more than the pro’s. Who’d a thunk that

College is definitely a more guaranteed income at this point. There are just way more spots than the NBA.

Shit man, if someone wanted to pay me $50k to play basketball at UA plus give me a free education I’d jump on it. Better than being in the G-league.

If Carter is picked 20th, he would make $3,658,800 his 1st year, $3,841,680 his 2nd year & $4,024,440 his 3rd year. I've heard we are offering CB around $1.5 million next year. Are you giving up over $2 million dollars to stay in college? I don't think many of us would make that deal

Obviously not. But I’d make that deal if I was in the 25-60 ranked range. Because there are no guarantees there. You could have a team fall in love with you and grab you higher than anyone had you ranked. Or you could find yourself trying out for Sioux Falls. I’d go back to school until I did creep up into that top-20 territory if I wasn’t positive I was going to be a first rounder.

[TheCat]

College paying more than the pro’s. Who’d a thunk that

College is definitely a more guaranteed income at this point. There are just way more spots than the NBA.

Shit man, if someone wanted to pay me $50k to play basketball at UA plus give me a free education I’d jump on it. Better than being in the G-league.

If Carter is picked 20th, he would make $3,658,800 his 1st year, $3,841,680 his 2nd year & $4,024,440 his 3rd year. I've heard we are offering CB around $1.5 million next year. Are you giving up over $2 million dollars to stay in college? I don't think many of us would make that deal

No one would make that deal unless they thought they could double it or close to that by staying one year and also give them the chance to earn that payday an extra 5 years by sticking in the league. It is always going to be about being around for that second deal.
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[Winger]

College paying more than the pro’s. Who’d a thunk that

College is definitely a more guaranteed income at this point. There are just way more spots than the NBA.

Shit man, if someone wanted to pay me $50k to play basketball at UA plus give me a free education I’d jump on it. Better than being in the G-league.

If Carter is picked 20th, he would make $3,658,800 his 1st year, $3,841,680 his 2nd year & $4,024,440 his 3rd year. I've heard we are offering CB around $1.5 million next year. Are you giving up over $2 million dollars to stay in college? I don't think many of us would make that deal

No one would make that deal unless they thought they could double it or close to that by staying one year and also give them the chance to earn that payday an extra 5 years by sticking in the league. It is always going to be about being around for that second deal.
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What you post here Cat is self defeating. If it’s all about the 2nd contract, the 1st contract doesn’t matter, and coming back for a chance at doubling the 1st contract’s value makes zero sense.

Might as well get the clock started.

For 1st round picks only the 1st 2 seasons are guaranteed. Seasons 3 and 4 are team options and involved structured raises as a % of one’s prior salary. The “it’s all about the 2nd contract” theory is financially sound but when it comes from a college coach or fan it has a tinge of bias to it. That bias being something like, “stay and develop another season and your chances of getting a second contract improve significantly”.

I don’t believe there is any truth in that. And, there is obviously a ton of self serving.

When it comes to Bryant, leave aside what I have posted recently, and ask yourself this: how many projected top 20 1st round NBA picks for Arizona have come back for another season?

Who was the last one?

Miles Simon?